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#1 Nov 01 2011 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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I grew up with a nearly fully paralyzed Uncle. He was involved in a drunk driving accident when he was 18 and, after 3 years in a Coma, finally woke up. He has no control over the right side of his body and extremely limited use of the left leg and arm. Oddly enough, his mind remained pretty much unscathed (amazed the doctors).

As result of a lawsuit against the insurance company (they said they didn't want to pay because it couldn't be proven he wasn't driving, the court eventually decided otherwise) he gets enough money to completely cover 24/7 in house care and everything dealing with his treatment.

His caregiver is my grandmother, his step mother. We have always been very careful to hide the amount of money he gets from everyone. Myself, my parents, and my grandmother are the only people who know the true amount. We always feared that if certain women around him found out, they would try to marry him just for the cash. He may be paralyzed, but his love of women has not left him. Anything with tits that smiles at him can get anything they want from him.

There was a fallout between my parents and grandmother a year ago or so (the housing thing, and my uncle's care being a big factor in it). My parents were supposed to take over as his caregiver when my grandmother passed. But now, they will not. And now his new caregiver they knew for only 2 months is going to marry him. My grandmother is all for it, gung-ho, etc. I think she just wants someone to take care of him, and doesn't want my parents to do it anymore.

My immediate family was the only group beyond my grandmother that really cared for him. My other Aunts and Uncles on that side find him disgusting and annoying. It's sad that my grandmother's pettiness is pushing him away from the only other people who really cared about him and into the care of someone he just met who will probably be just after the cash.

TMI, maybe, but I just needed to vent after learning he's getting married today. He'd marry anyone who smiled at him, which is why we were so secretive about his money...

Edited, Nov 2nd 2011 6:23am by TirithRR
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#2 Nov 01 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
A man makes his own choices, and should be held solely accountable for them.
#3 Nov 01 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
That sucks, Tirith. But you said that his mind was left intact. I understand why you're concerned, but this is really no different than a man with no disabilities at all marrying a woman who is after him just for the money. And it's possible that she really does love him. It may seem unlikely, but you never know, there are some decent people out there.
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If his mind is really that clear, maybe he's aware she might be after his money but just doesn't care. When you are in the same kind of boat he is, companionship must sound pretty damn amazing, even if it doesn't come with love. Especially if most of your time before now has been spent with your grandmother.

And, to be realistic, if he gets bored he can divorce her. A court is going to be sympathetic to the fact that his money is NEEDED for him to live, because he's incapable of making more. If you are really worried, see if they are willing to use a prenup.
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#6 Nov 02 2011 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
I sure hope he can still do it with her. Companionship is a powerful thing. People do things that are mind blowing
just to have someone. If he's happy just leave him be. It's the best course in this situation.
#7 Nov 02 2011 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
She might be legit. If his mind is intact, she really might care for him. To be safe, there should be a pre-nup.
#8 Nov 02 2011 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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How old is your uncle? Depending on his age, local authorities and human services could always do a pre-emptive "elder abuse welfare check."

Pre-nups only go so far to keep assets separate. If he decides to transmute the separate property to community property the pre-nup is pretty much wasted.

There are other ways as well to make sure that the money used for his care is protected. Your uncle needs to speak with an attorney to discuss options.

Who has met the caregiver and what are their impressions of her? A big red flag would be to check on the welfare of your uncle would be if she is cutting him off from the rest of your family.

ETA: Not every marriage is based on love and if they're getting married for other reasons and no one is getting hurt, that's their business.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2011 9:19am by Thumbelyna
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ETA: Not every marriage is based on love and if they're getting married for other reasons and no one is getting hurt, that's their business.
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Ok so...your uncle is paralyzed, nearly completely, neck down.

A woman wants to marry him.

You have a problem with this?......HE'S PARALYZED FROM THE NECK DOWN!

Seriously, who cares WHY she wants to marry him, let the man have a life, it's gotta be hard to come by in his predicament. Heck, dude gets to see a chick get out of his bed every day, to him that's probably worth any money he's getting. If he was perfectly healthy with prospects I could see being concerned, but frankly money is just paper, when it comes down to it he needs to live as much life as he can.

This of course is all assuming he's as bad as I'm guessing he is.
#11 Nov 03 2011 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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Ok so...your uncle is paralyzed, nearly completely, neck down.

A woman wants to marry him.

You have a problem with this?......HE'S PARALYZED FROM THE NECK DOWN!

Seriously, who cares WHY she wants to marry him, let the man have a life, it's gotta be hard to come by in his predicament. Heck, dude gets to see a chick get out of his bed every day, to him that's probably worth any money he's getting. If he was perfectly healthy with prospects I could see being concerned, but frankly money is just paper, when it comes down to it he needs to live as much life as he can.

This of course is all assuming he's as bad as I'm guessing he is.


Using that logic, you could pay for a hooker to stay the night with you every night.



OP, it boils down to you think she's marrying him for his money, and that may be true. That would make anyone close to the person uncomfortable. I know someone in a similar situation, in fact. But like as was stated above, it's his choice. You've got to let him do what he wants with his life, even if it means marrying a woman you think doesn't love him.
#12 Nov 03 2011 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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I don't really see the problem here. What is the likelihood of your uncle realistically getting married for any other reason?

I'm not talking in the abstract sense here, where everyone deserves to have someone who loves them, I'm asking you to be realistic.

It's kind of like when a really, really ugly guy suddenly comes into a lot of money. Suddenly they're really attractive to women who wouldn't spit on them yesterday. Who cares? The ugly guy gets a hot girl and the hot girl gets money. That's how the world works, unfortunately.


Or maybe I'm just a bit of a cynic.
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#13 Nov 03 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Funny story:

Went to a wedding a number of years ago. The bride was a hot 20 something year old where her breasts were the softest pillows (and they were real) and you could bounce a quarter off her *** and her thighs were strong enough to crack walnuts. The groom was almost twice her age and looked like he was related to a garden gnome. And she introduced her husband to her friends as her "first" husband. And her husband did not say a word to correct his label.

That marriage wasn't about love. It was about money and status and power. He had he money to buy the companionship of his bride and she loved the status and power that he would bring.

Are they still married? He filed for divorce prior to the 10 year mark to avoid the long-term marriage aspect, she got a nice settlement and segued her way to cougar status. They didn't have children and it was apparent that marriage, while there was a level of respect, consideration and even affection between them, it certainly wasn't about love, nor even planning to spend the rest of their lives together. It was right for them at that time and when it wasn't right anymore and didn't fit into their life plans, they divorced.

Cold? Maybe. Calculated? Yes. But they obviously went into that marriage with their eyes wide open and from all accounts, there wasn't anything acrimonious when they ended it.

ETA: The guy has yet to marry again, but he's got a lovely companion that has been with him for the last 4 or 5 years.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2011 8:53am by Thumbelyna
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We always sought to protect him (even my Grandmother did) from women who would marry just for the cash out of fear that they would keep the money for themselves and not give my uncle the proper care the money was supposed to be for. Instead, just locking him up in a room and keeping him alive just for the paycheck.

When ever my other aunts and uncles watched the house with him, they completely ignored him. When my family or grandmother did, we'd be involved with him. Taking him out to help work on cars, playing card games, etc.

So it's not so much as "She's just after the cash, and doesn't really 'Love' him." as it is "If she's only after the cash, will she spend that cash on him?" And my parents and I cannot help but think the only reason my Grandmother is agreeing to it is to annoy my parents, especially being only two months since they met.

Unfortunately, the fallout between my Grandmother and Parents have caused my family to be excluded from almost everything dealing with that side of the family. As many of my aunts and uncles, while realizing my parents had been shafted, have too much at stake to anger my grandmother. That side of the family is very Matriarchal. One of my aunts still agreed with and helped my father (her brother) and my grandmother has begun to shun her as well.
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Unrelated, but what does ETA mean? I keep reading it as Estimated Time of Arrival... or Euskadi Ta Askatasuna. I'm guessing none of those apply.
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Ahh, makes sense.
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TirithRR wrote:
We always sought to protect him (even my Grandmother did) from women who would marry just for the cash out of fear that they would keep the money for themselves and not give my uncle the proper care the money was supposed to be for. Instead, just locking him up in a room and keeping him alive just for the paycheck.

When ever my other aunts and uncles watched the house with him, they completely ignored him. When my family or grandmother did, we'd be involved with him. Taking him out to help work on cars, playing card games, etc.

So it's not so much as "She's just after the cash, and doesn't really 'Love' him." as it is "If she's only after the cash, will she spend that cash on him?" And my parents and I cannot help but think the only reason my Grandmother is agreeing to it is to annoy my parents, especially being only two months since they met.

Unfortunately, the fallout between my Grandmother and Parents have caused my family to be excluded from almost everything dealing with that side of the family. As many of my aunts and uncles, while realizing my parents had been shafted, have too much at stake to anger my grandmother. That side of the family is very Matriarchal. One of my aunts still agreed with and helped my father (her brother) and my grandmother has begun to shun her as well.


How exactly is your grandmother keeping your parents out? I mean, your uncle is an adult. I'm assuming she's not barring their ability to speak with him.

There are ways to ensure he'll get his care even with the marriage.

Also, whose idea was this marriage? I mean, it's fully possible he proposed it to her, making it clear what the relationship was. The instinct is to paint her as a harpy who is trying to get into his bank accounts. It's fully possible that he invited her in, because companionship sounded a hell of a lot better than seclusion.

In any case, marriage doesn't necessarily mean a joint bank account, either. It's fully within his power to keep whatever he needs separate. But that's what a prenup would be needed for (in the event of divorce).

And @IDrownFish, kinda hard to consider this prostitution, since I'm assuming he can't be sexually active. More like he's desperate for a friend, and would like the comfort of knowing that there's someone there for him who chose their state with their eyes wide open. I imagine, even if he hasn't vocalized it, that he's horribly torn up with guilt about how his state affects the family.
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How exactly is your grandmother keeping your parents out? I mean, your uncle is an adult. I'm assuming she's not barring their ability to speak with him.


She's pretty much doing exactly that. See, he cannot talk. The only way he can communicate is by slowly signing the alphabet to spell out what he wants to say with the limited use of his one hand. And with his paralyzed state, and lack of ability to communicate to most people, he spends 100% of his time under the watch of a family member. That family member is my Grandmother (was my parents for some time).

I haven't talked to him in close to a year. Neither have my parents. The first thing my grandmother did was take my Uncle away to an undisclosed location to separate him from my parents.

I think the extent of my Uncle's reliance others and my Grandmother's control over her children (even as adults), has not been conveyed well. When I say matriarchal, I really meant it in nearly every sense of the word.
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How exactly is your grandmother keeping your parents out? I mean, your uncle is an adult. I'm assuming she's not barring their ability to speak with him.


She's pretty much doing exactly that. See, he cannot talk. The only way he can communicate is by slowly signing the alphabet to spell out what he wants to say with the limited use of his one hand. And with his paralyzed state, and lack of ability to communicate to most people, he spends 100% of his time under the watch of a family member. That family member is my Grandmother (was my parents for some time).

I haven't talked to him in close to a year. Neither have my parents. The first thing my grandmother did was take my Uncle away to an undisclosed location to separate him from my parents.

I think the extent of my Uncle's reliance others and my Grandmother's control over her children (even as adults), has not been conveyed well. When I say matriarchal, I really meant it in nearly every sense of the word.


Quite seriously, your parents and you should consider contacting authorities. She doesn't have the right to do that--not without his approval. It's abduction. Being a caregiver gives you certain rights--that is DEFINITELY not one of them. At the very least, it gives you cause to have someone investigate your uncle's wishes in an official capacity.
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Meh. He probably agreed to it. He's been with her for roughly 25 years paralyzed. I'm sure she wasn't doing anything he didn't say yes to. It's just I feel, and my parents feel, that she is doing the wrong thing and used her position to convince him of it. But it's not really an authority involvement issue imo, just a "I'm going to vent because there is nothing I can do, but I feel in the back of my mind it's wrong." issue.
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The problem is that he could have no clue that SHE'S the one keeping you all away. She could have told him something to make him think otherwise.

In any case, if she has that much control over him, it's an issue. And it's one that I, personally, would want investigated. As it stands, you might never get to see your uncle again--he's unable to contact your family on his own.

Actually, from this perspective the marriage seems even better. It's likely that his new wife would cause him to be less emotionally dependent on your grandmother, and she'll give him an outlet he can use to reach out. And it gives you all an outlet to reach in without having to go through the matriarchal shrew.
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I don't get it. She's keeping the family away from him, but she's all for the marriage which would, undoubtedly, end her control over him...

It doesn't make sense. If she was after the control (and money), she'd try to dissuade him from marrying the caretaker, no? If she was simply paranoid, she'd never let him marry the caretaker either, would she?

Makes no sense.
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No, she's not looking at keeping _the_ family from him. She's looking at keeping _my_ family from him. And anyone who doesn't agree with her. Since my parents were the only ones who ever cared for him or about him, and my Grandmother is getting up there in age, she's looking for another to care for him when she's gone. The quickness of this marriage seems to be her way of saying to my parents "See, I don't need you! I'm right, you are wrong, *evil laugh*".
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Because tone can't be well delivered via text, I want to note that this entire post is meant to be compassionate.

But I think you should think about what is actually upsetting you in this case, which is going to be integral in deciding your course of action.

What I mean is that being a caretaker is extremely taxing (and is frankly far more than should be expected of anyone). Is the anger towards your grandmother possibly a manifestation of guilt? Maybe your side of the family is (legitimately) relieved at being absolved of the need to take care of him, but the grandmother's transfer of that duty outside of the family is really driving home how beneficial that would be for you all, which awakens caretaker's guilt in wishing away the burden?

It's an unpleasant question, but it needs to be asked.

And like I said, I'm not saying this to be a **** or to judge you. My mom was essentially a caretaker for her aunt and uncle for years. But we didn't have the resources to keep them in our (or their own) home, especially when their health declined more, so they WERE in a home. And the guilt of that really ate her up, even though she'd spend hours there with them every day. And I saw how the guilt affected other people in our family with regards to my uncle, who wasn't really involved in that process.

Where you should go from here really depends on this question. Acting out of guilt won't make anyone happy. If you want to be a part of your uncle's life, then you need to make contact. Your grandmother only has the power to stop you if you continue to not act. If your family isn't seeking contact because they are afraid of the guilt of not wanting to be a caretaker, and has found an emotional way out by allowing themselves to be alienated by the mother, then that is really going to tear you up years down the road, when she's no longer around to distract you.

I know this sounds ******** but I really am not admonishing you. I just think it would be best for everyone involved to figure out if they want to be in your uncle's life and why. The path from there is remarkably clear. If you want to be in your uncle's life, the grandmother can't realistically stand in your way. If you don't, then you should disengage from the marriage issue--it isn't far to oppose something that could bring someone happiness (or pain) if you aren't willing to invest in a relationship with them.

Either way, also remember that a relationship with your uncle doesn't mean being his caregiver. He has the money (and possibly a fiance) who can provide that. If your own guilt of wanting to be in his life without those duties is holding you back, it's only going to hurt everyone involved in the end--much better to deal with the guilt and build bridges, in my personal opinion.

Oh, and it's also fully possible that the grandmother is just a matriarch who is desperate control (and I'm not going to bother trying to figure out if that's fair or not). But that really doesn't strike me as being the relevant issue here, it seems like an evasion.
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No offense taken.

Without getting too detailed, or accusing my grandmother of serious legal wrong doings, I do not believe that guilt is the case here. My parents both looked forward to the caretaking. My mother is in nursing, elderly care, special care, etc.

My parents had taken over my uncle's care for about a year prior to the fallout with my grandmother. My grandmother was still the controller of the money though. While I said he got enough money for 24/7 in house care, that money was not used entirely for that purpose. My grandmother used family as free care, and used the money for other things (legitimate things, but not for paying for a 24/7 in home nurse/caretaker). When my parents took over, and moved into her house, she moved out into a Condo. The beginning of the fallout dealt with money, basically my father saying they needed some of it to support my uncle, and my grandmother being very slow to dish it out, if at all (once every month if they were lucky). After approaching her about it, things got ugly.

My grandmother used family as free in home care for my uncle throughout my childhood. I spent many entire weekends and holidays watching him and helping him since I was in about 5th grade. While sound of mind, he needs supervision. Not to tell him what to do, but to help him when he tries to do something he shouldn't. His face and head are covered in scars because he thinks he can stand up and walk to get something, but realistically cannot.

I believe my grandmother was not used to having to share the money with others for my uncle's care. She was used to deciding when and where and how he got treated and what was spent on him. Since my father was always a mamas-boy, he was her youngest child, when he didn't agree with her keeping the money, it struck a nerve with her. She took it out on my mother. And when my father approached her about the way my grandmother was treating my mother, this made matters even worse. I think she now realizes that she has to give up her control over him, but is too hurt by her youngest son "fighting" her and too strong to admit she was wrong. By supporting the marriage, she ensures my uncles care, without allowing my parents to step in when she is gone. Since she knows that my father (and mother) would be the only one of her children to step up to my uncle's care when my grandmother was gone.

I do believe she is doing it not to hurt my uncle, but instead to be against my parents. But I just feel that the way she went by it was wrong, and leaves it open for more potential damage. All because her youngest son, who never disagreed with her throughout his life, stood up to her in the end.
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