wasn't sure wether to post this here or on offical forums but felt like posting it somewhere.
If you care about the internet and websites like this exsisting then for the love of god sign this. http://pol.moveon.org/nointernetcensorship/?r_by=33343-19594309-Qflnr4x&rc=pac_nointernetcensorship_letter.email.g0
(to those unaware its about US govermant trying to give themselfs and companies the power to turn off parts of the internet)
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Busaman the Mighty wrote:
Man I barely remember life before wow. It was hard living in caves for shelter and fending off wild beasts with only a sharpened stick. Men women and children all dying from simple infections Food was scarce, sometimes all we had to eat would be a fallen member of the tribe.
Those were dark days indeed. Thank Raptor Jesus for delivering us from our sins with his only son, the World Of Warcraft
Man I barely remember life before wow. It was hard living in caves for shelter and fending off wild beasts with only a sharpened stick. Men women and children all dying from simple infections Food was scarce, sometimes all we had to eat would be a fallen member of the tribe.
Those were dark days indeed. Thank Raptor Jesus for delivering us from our sins with his only son, the World Of Warcraft
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Good for them. The internet isnt something exclusive that the US owns though. They might think that they do, but in all honesty they should know better. Regardless, I for one would welcome the reduced amount of people online trying to camp Heqet. So go US!
That aside, this is the forum to escape from daily troubles and to relax on FFXI. Not to be confronted with rediculous proposals and bills that will never pass anyhow.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 12:24pm by KojiroSoma
That aside, this is the forum to escape from daily troubles and to relax on FFXI. Not to be confronted with rediculous proposals and bills that will never pass anyhow.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 12:24pm by KojiroSoma
UK already has this, US will get it too, was swept in quietly. Governments know how to work this to get people to agree with it, they will say it's to stop stuff like child **** then use it to block other stuff (things they don't like, copyright infringments etc).
Begining of the end for an fully open and free internet, we had a good run.
Begining of the end for an fully open and free internet, we had a good run.
koromaseraph wrote:
(to those unaware its about US govermant trying to give themselfs and companies the power to turn off parts of the internet)
US courts have already done it, several times, it didn't need Congress to make it happen.
Kragorn wrote:
koromaseraph wrote:
(to those unaware its about US govermant trying to give themselfs and companies the power to turn off parts of the internet)
US courts have already done it, several times, it didn't need Congress to make it happen.
The SOPA act goes a step further and would grant businesses the power to shut down web sites without due process, without involving the courts, and without ever having to defend their actions. The SOPA act is a poison injected into law by RIAA and MPAA lobbyists. If it passes, it truly represents the downfall of free speech and the free internet as we know it.
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UK already has this
No, we don't. The Digital Economy Act (DEA) is a lot nicer than SOPA. This is why:
- Copyright holders must have the IP address of the offender.
- Invalid notices can be ignored. ISPs don't even have to write down why they ignored it.
- Email (usually) sent to offender, telling them to stop it. (user's personal details will not be shared with the copyright holder without a court order)
- Repeat offenders (act is vague on how this is classified) will have their internet restricted/removed (again, vague).
- Offenders can simply swap ISPs and the whole history of this has disappeared.
The SOPA tries to do the opposite. It tries to take down the website access rather than restrict user access. ASCII art ftw:
British DEA
break here ___________[site]
V |
[user]---[isp]---------[site]
|__________[site]
The user-ISP link is broken, but user's can just swap ISP. ISPs are responsible for upholding copyright.
American SOPA
break here
____V______[site]
|
[user]---[isp]---------[site]
|__________[site]
The country-site link is broken in the DNS, but users can just type the IP address of the site. Sites are responsible for upholding copyright.
Of course this is a crude representation (since it's not the ISP->Site link being broken, but the whole set of American IP addresses being affected).
It's a terrible act if it goes through, but as one guy put it: "I see SOPA as a stimulus package for Asia and Europe and their Internet economies." (this is in reference to the fact that sites can just migrate elsewhere and avoid all this stuff)
Moving this to the OoT forum.
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I have to say the desire to edit the OP and hide part of it under a spoiler tag just to be annoying is pretty much overwhelming at this point...
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I have to say the desire to edit the OP and hide part of it under a spoiler tag just to be annoying is pretty much overwhelming at this point...
Now would be a good time to stress test how many spoiler tags you can nest before you break the site.
Didn't sign the petition, but sent an email to my representative with all the appropriate Republican buzzwords:
- Unnecessary job killing regulation
- Undermining the free market
- Internet is capitalism working as intended
etc.
Pointed to the CEO of Valve saying piracy isn't a problem for their company because they provide better value than the pirates do.
- Unnecessary job killing regulation
- Undermining the free market
- Internet is capitalism working as intended
etc.
Pointed to the CEO of Valve saying piracy isn't a problem for their company because they provide better value than the pirates do.
I'm sure when it passes it'll cut down on piracy.
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lolgaxe wrote:
I'm sure when it passes it'll cut down on piracy.
lolgaxe wrote:
I'm sure when it passes it'll cut down on piracy.
Yep, it'll cut down on internet traffic in general by about two hundred percent as well. The bill is, unfortunately, worded so vaguely and horribly that a massive amount of internet content could be taken down for potential violations. Websites like 'That Guy With The Glasses' who use video footage of films or video games could be removed and blocked. There is a massive potential for heavy abuse of this bill, and that's why there is a lot of opposition against it.
I have no problem with genuine anti-piracy methods, but this will create far more problems than it solves. The internet is the purest form of free speech there is, and a bill like this could destroy it.
I emailed my senators a long time ago about this already. I should start doing it more often to get my point across.
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Posted: Dec 02 2011 at 11:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) as long as the 9 sites I actually use the internet for (CNN/BBC/CBC/FOX/FB/GOOGLE/YAHOO/ULTIMATEGUITAR/THIS) don't get impacted, I probably won't care, and if any of the above sites are affected I am sure I will be able to find ones just like them that aren't.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I have to say the desire to edit the OP and hide part of it under a spoiler tag just to be annoying is pretty much overwhelming at this point...
hmm not sure what you mean.
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@rdmcandie google would be one of the very first effected when they start removing searches i'd imagine.
Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 9:19pm by Kaolian
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Busaman the Mighty wrote:
Man I barely remember life before wow. It was hard living in caves for shelter and fending off wild beasts with only a sharpened stick. Men women and children all dying from simple infections Food was scarce, sometimes all we had to eat would be a fallen member of the tribe.
Those were dark days indeed. Thank Raptor Jesus for delivering us from our sins with his only son, the World Of Warcraft
Man I barely remember life before wow. It was hard living in caves for shelter and fending off wild beasts with only a sharpened stick. Men women and children all dying from simple infections Food was scarce, sometimes all we had to eat would be a fallen member of the tribe.
Those were dark days indeed. Thank Raptor Jesus for delivering us from our sins with his only son, the World Of Warcraft
UNBAN ROG
I was wondering when we'd get to the scare tactics.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
I was wondering when we'd get to the scare tactics.
But lolgaxe, think of the children!
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Glitterhands wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I'm sure when it passes it'll cut down on piracy.
Yep, it'll cut down on internet traffic in general by about two hundred percent as well. The bill is, unfortunately, worded so vaguely and horribly that a massive amount of internet content could be taken down for potential violations. Websites like 'That Guy With The Glasses' who use video footage of films or video games could be removed and blocked. There is a massive potential for heavy abuse of this bill, and that's why there is a lot of opposition against it.
I have no problem with genuine anti-piracy methods, but this will create far more problems than it solves. The internet is the purest form of free speech there is, and a bill like this could destroy it.
Yeah, but most of that 'potential' won't be realised. Practically speaking anything very broad can only be enforced sporadically. Perhaps this will still be more than is desirable, but the main problem is the injustice that will arise from the abuse of an unnecessarily broad ambit/discretion, not that it will be used to shut down every website on the internet.
koromaseraph wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I have to say the desire to edit the OP and hide part of it under a spoiler tag just to be annoying is pretty much overwhelming at this point...
hmm not sure what you mean.
@rdmcandie google would be one of the very first effected when they start removing searches i'd imagine.
I'm easily amused, but my spoiler tag censoring a post warning people about the dangers of internet censordhip would be hilarious in my mind. Then again, I also think that Emu's are hilarious just for existing.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Then again, I also think that Emu's are hilarious just for existing.
Emu's are just there for entertainment purposes for the local wombat population.
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Kavekk wrote:
Yeah, but most of that 'potential' won't be realised. Practically speaking anything very broad can only be enforced sporadically. Perhaps this will still be more than is desirable, but the main problem is the injustice that will arise from the abuse of an unnecessarily broad ambit/discretion, not that it will be used to shut down every website on the internet.
I might feel the same way if a governmental body were the sole enforcers here, but that's not the concern. The concern is that private corporations will also have the power to "shut down" websites. I'm not comfortable yielding that much power to entities whose sole purpose is to maximize profit over all else.
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If this had already been available, I wonder what we would have seen when Apple misplaced the new iPhone way back when. Would they kill access to any site that had pictures/videos of their "stolen" intellectual property? Block sites that have information/reviews on their top secret product?
And I see the little tinfoil hat smiley doesn't seem to be on the list.
And I see the little tinfoil hat smiley doesn't seem to be on the list.
MrTalos wrote:
If this had already been available, I wonder what we would have seen when Apple misplaced the new iPhone way back when. Would they kill access to any site that had pictures/videos of their "stolen" intellectual property? Block sites that have information/reviews on their top secret product?
And I see the little tinfoil hat smiley doesn't seem to be on the list.
And I see the little tinfoil hat smiley doesn't seem to be on the list.
I'm currently putting up my new tinfoil wallpaper in my apartment, even going to do the ceilings!
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