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#1 Dec 04 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
So we discovered that the renter who turned his room into a bear cave, essentially, has left large oily brown stains on the wall next to his bed. (Ew, ew, ew.) The interior paint of this house was never intended to be the final coat, and it just soaks up every stain. Touch the wall with your finger, and you leave a fingerprint.

The thought of painting 1500 square feet of interior space is rather off putting, so we've considered getting some professional painters to do the job. But we have no idea how much we should expect to be charged, and how long such a project should take, etc.

Has anyone ever hired professional painters? Is two weeks of stress worth doing it ourselves, or if we can swing the cost is it better to let the pros handle it?
#2 Dec 04 2011 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
Invest in one of those spray gizmos. You will be done with the whole place in two days of moderate work. You will probably spend more time taping and laying plastic down than you will actually painting.

Hiring a professional might be the better bet, though. The will be in and out in a day, and you won't have to worry about it coming out poorly.

Edited, Dec 5th 2011 5:47am by Lubriderm
#3 Dec 04 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Corners are the enemy. Anywhere the wall meets trim, another wall, the floor, the ceiling, etc = more work for you. If you have a large flat wall with almost no obstructions, painting that entire wall by hand should only take a few hours. If you have a small bathroom with multiple corners, painting that same smaller space will take you all day.

I'm still holding off on painting my downstairs area becase i'm still deciding if one of those paint guns is going to be worth the prep time and effort. Painting by hand results in far less prep time I have found. especially if you aren't dealing with carpet. It's not like paint sets instantaniously, so if you spill a drop on a hardwood floor, you just wipe it up. the fine mist spray does set almost instantly on the other hand, so in that case you do have to cover the floors, which is a job in its own right.

Make sure you buy a couple of good extendable painting poles, some rollers with threaded handles, a corner foam brush with threaded handle, and an edger with a threaded handle. Those things are literally worth their weight in gold. The more time you can spend off the ladder, the better you will feel physically when the project is done.
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#4 Dec 04 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Winter is setting in up here... fly me down and I'll paint your whole house for free!
#5 Dec 04 2011 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
Catwho, I have to ask, do either of you have much experience in painting? If you don't, I really would recommend just hiring someone. I'm all for 'do it yourself' projects, but this is one of the few things that a person can really ***** up.
#6 Dec 04 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
I painted an apartment before, and then had to paint it back when it came time to move out. I remember hating every minute of it, which is why I'd rather pay for someone else to do it out of my own pocket.

When I was 10 or so, I demanded my parents buy me a few gallons of paint and painted my own bedroom a lovely dove gray. I don't remember hating that quite so much, probably because it was a small bedroom and I was so damn pleased with the results. (Around that time my oldest sister commented that my destiny was to be an interior designer, and due to bad blood between me and that sister I steadfastedly marked that off the list of things I wanted to be when I grew up.)

Still, the difference between a child's bedroom and a 1500 square foot house is about 1400 square feet. Smiley: frown

Both times I painted, I managed to avoid making a really bad mess on the carpet. But it's just so much work, that the $1500 or whatever it's going to cost us (probably more than that due to the bloody ten foot high ceilings) seems like it'll be worth it.

We opted also to raid the backsplash fund (which itself got raided to buy the new microwave a few months ago) for the painting task, since we can just have the wall of the kitchen painted in a heavy duty water resistant paint and not have to install the tile after all.
#7 Dec 04 2011 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Id personally reccommend going with a tile backsplash rather than just paint. That heavy duty water resistant paint isn't spaghetti sauce resistant. You should be able to do tile in the average area immidiatly behind a stove for around $50-90 depending on tile choice unless you are planning on doing solid glass tile or something.

Thats a project still on my list, i'm waiting on either funds for solid slab counters or myself to be less picky and just pick something that matches my existing tile countertops. That and needing to rebuild all the kitchen drawers and whatnot.
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#8 Dec 04 2011 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
We wanted to do the entire area behind the cabinets, which was quoted at $800 for (yes) glass tile. Even using a cheaper tile brings it to $600, due to the sheer area.

The paint will be the first step. Right now it's flat paint, and you can see every water splash behind the sink.
#9 Dec 04 2011 at 11:56 PM Rating: Good
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#10 Dec 05 2011 at 2:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have painted and re-painted rooms in my house more times than I care to remember. When we bought this house we had 2 rooms with wainscoting, ended up painting the rooms as I didn't want to rip out the walls and re-sheetrock the rooms. 1 room has this odd textured panels that the previous owners had somehow wall papered. Painting that room was a pain, needed to use a sponge effect so the texture wasn't noticeable. Bedrooms repainted at least 4x each in last 8 years. Make sure you use a good primer and tape off everything you can. Like lubriderm said you will spend more time prepping than you will painting.

Getting a sprayer will make things VERY easy but it is even more important to tape stuff off. Hiring a professional will make it easier for you but if your walls don't have a lot of damage you are better off doing on your own, cheaper too. It really isn't hard to do it, it is only bad when you have a wife like mine that wants to change the color scheme in the house every time she watches a new episode of 90210 or the Kardashians. Have fun with the paint, I am going to be painting my daughters playroom with chalkboard paint on one wall.. I think it will be about the only time I will WANT to paint a room.
#12 Dec 05 2011 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
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You will probably spend more time painting and laying plastic down than you will actually painting.


I suspect that this statement is deceptive.
Well, that was silly wasn't it?
#13 Dec 05 2011 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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That heavy duty water resistant paint isn't spaghetti sauce resistant.
The hell it ins't. Try not getting ripped off/the wrong kind next time. I used an eggshell paint on my last kitchen. Quick wipe and everything came off of it.


Edited, Dec 5th 2011 7:12am by Uglysasquatch
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#14 Dec 05 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
Project has been derailed because my sister in law heard about our plans, and a gleam appeared in her eyes, and she went NO NO NO LET ME DO IT. I forgot she enjoys these sorts of projects and repaints her house every few years. Smiley: dubious

However, she is pregnant and so we've insisted she not do anything until next summer after #3 is born. Although latex fumes are probably safe, we don't want to risk her falling off the ladder. Etc.

So the current plan is:

- Paint the bear cave room when room mate moves out ourselves.
- Let sister in law do the rest of it once she is no longer gravid.

Thanks for the input guys!

Edited, Dec 5th 2011 4:35pm by catwho
#15 Dec 08 2011 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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I'm rather surprised at the ratio of painters to non-painters in here. Everyone I know has painted a room or a house/apartment at some point. Painting is probably the one project I would say anyone could do.

Rollers and brushes. Dollar store rollers are just as good as $8.00 "Professional" rollers, get lots of them. Get decent brushes, and a few cheapy foam brushes (they're good for smoothing brush marks in tricky places).

Don't even bother with edgers if you're picky about appearance, they work great until the paint gets into them, which is about half a wall worth of edging. Find some boxes and rip off the tops to use for edge blockers it'll allow you to move a little quicker but you still need to tape all of your trim/doorknobs etc with painters tape and remove the covers from all of your switches and outlets. Don't use brushes around outlets, take the covers off and use a roller. Oh, and expect to do 3 coats, sometimes you can get away with 2 but you won't know until it's dry, darker the colour, the more coats you'll need.

It's difficult to ***** up paint really since you can wipe drips and smudges off any dry surface with a damp cloth up to 10 minutes after it's been applied. Only thing to watch for is if you're painting ceilings do them first and cover the floor, ceiling paint tends to speckle the room and you don't really notice it until it's dry and you have white specks all over every surface in the room.

It is a lot of work though and it's hard on your arms (you're basically holding them up the entire time as opposed to other jobs where you would be shifting positions). I could probably do that in 2 days of solid work but I'd be very sore. Do not use a spray gun if you don't know what you're doing, you'll just make a mess of your house. A pro will charge you a good bit but it will look much smoother than anything you could do yourself (due to the spray gun pros typically use). In my area you'd be looking probably $1400-2k for a pro to do it but it can vary quite a bit.
#16 Dec 08 2011 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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Oh and you should be painting in a W or V pattern, not straight up and down (you'll end up with vertical lines in your walls and paint runs).
#17 Dec 08 2011 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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It's all about tape. Spend some extra time there and the painting is easy.
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#18 Dec 08 2011 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
It's all about tape. Spend some extra time there and the painting is easy.
Yeah. This in particular is why I don't get how people can say they suck at painting. If you can't freehand it, tape takes care of your edges pretty well. Especially if you're just painting your own space and don't have huge time restraints.

I like to pick up a 2" roller with the same or similar length nap as the large wall roller, for touchup around edges, so the roll pattern matches.

Buy one of the rollers with the edging attachment. Seriously, it speeds things up along edges and trim, especially if you don't have a ton of experience.

Flat/matte paint is your friend. Satin and eggshell finishes can be a pain to get to look right if you don't know what you're doing.
#19 Dec 08 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
We're trying to get rid of the flat paint Smiley: frown Every little stain on the walls is permanent.
#20 Dec 09 2011 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My wife and I just moved into a new home and the two bedrooms were painted pink and purple. We painted one of the bedrooms which Id estimate is about 12 X 20 (its a good sized room) in about 3 hours. I don't know what a pro would charge but I Can tell you unless you want a really fancy design its not that hard. We didn't have to sand we just bought a dark color pain and went over it. In fact they say if your house is built before 1970 to be careful about sanding as alot of old paint before that date can have lead in it. You don't want to start sanding away at paint that has lead in it. Also Id recommend buying that more expensive paint. If you buy the cheap stuff its more watery and will take multiple coats. We was able to cover up girly pink in 1 coat with the $30 a can stuff.

Anyways hope this helped
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#21 Dec 11 2011 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Who the hell sands paint? I'd sooner rip the drywall off and redo it than sand paint.

Go with Satin if you're concerned about wipe-ability. Semi-gloss is like car paint when it dries (very shiny), you probably don't want that on your walls. Keep in mind the shinier the paint the more obvious any imperfections in your walls become.
#22 Dec 12 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Go eggshell. Cleans very nicely.
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#23 Dec 12 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Go eggshell. Cleans very nicely.
If you're doing it yourself, make sure to paint as even a coat as possible. Lots of people make the mistake of rolling until there's barely any paint on the roller before loading up again. It's not like flat paint where if you later see spots where the coat is thin you can just touch it up. Also, you're better off doing each wall individually, rather than cutting in the whole room before rolling.
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Who the hell sands paint?

A light (120 grit or finer) sanding between coats gives it a silky smooth surface.
#25 Dec 12 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Aghhhhhh painting is so awful. I will take ugly, metallic velvet-adorned wallpaper from the 70s before I paint a wall.

Why people are okay with this masochism is beyond me
#26 Dec 12 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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How anyone could want wallpaper is beyond me. It's a pain in the *** to put on properly. Any damage at all means you need to replace entire runs of it, or pull off a patch work miracle. It absorbs any smells in the house. Lord help you if you ever want to update and replace it.
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