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#1 Dec 18 2011 at 5:20 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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why do you need a warranty to call a pc company to fix a minor problem? I have an hp pavilion entertainment pc. I had it for 2 years then the warranty expired. After it expired the pc had a major virus issue I could not resolve so I did a factory recovery with hp's Recovory manager program that is supose to reset the pc to the conndition software wise as when I purchased it.

However after I did the recovory the BD-Rom BC-5501s ATA optical drive would not run or even recognize Blu-ray discs. Its Firmware version shows as fm 1.82, driver version 6.0.6001.18000 and driver date 6/21/2006. I cant find any newer versions of fm or drivers, and hp support for this problem is none existant, Unless I pay tech support for a year of support for $99 or perincident of $64 which is only good for 14 days (they wouldnt even answer my question when I asked if the fm and driver version was up to date).

I paid for a 2 year warranty that i never used cause there were no issues durring that time. If i had the pc for 2 years with no problems then paying $99 or even $64 for 1 problem is a bit expensive, most likely I wont have any more issues after that considering how long i had the pc before 1 problem occured.

In my opinion the people that run the pc corporations should stop buying dozens of $60,000.00 suits, an 80,000,000,00 lear jet for every board member, $350,000.00 cars, and taking the whole family out to eat a $6000.00 meal 3 times a day, and start putting some of that money back into customer support, care, and satisfaction.
#2 Dec 18 2011 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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you only have to pay if you cannot figure out the problem out of your own skillset. You don't have to pay the doctor either if you can remove your own appendix when it bursts. The 1.86 firmware for that particular drive is relitivly easy to find, though downloading the latest firmware from HP by your pavilion model number whatever that might actually be would probably be easier. Thats likely not the issue at all though.

Your computer came with another disk in addition to the recovery dvd. One that contained some form of blue ray player software and potentially an installation key. Likely cyberlink powerdvd or something along those lines. That software contains the drivers that your system probably needs to even see the drive. You should find your drive works much better after reinstalling that. If that doesn't do the trick, you screwed something up and should probably have someone who actually knows what they are doing take a look. They keep that software seperate because the blueray drive is an option on those systems, and the base restore image only restores the base model configuration in most cases.

In my oppinion, buying a PC does not entitle you to free labor from a trained support tecnician for life, especially when it was due to a virus infection. A properly protected and cared for PC with current patching, firewalls routers and active antivirus doesn't get viruses.

Also, a brand new top of the line learjet costs at most $5,000,000.00.

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#3 Dec 18 2011 at 6:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I take it the concept of a business is foreign to you?

How long do you expect them to continue spending the money to train people on the specifics of a product that they aren't selling anymore? 5 years, 10? How much did that 2 year warranty cost you?

And who are you to tell someone else how to live? It's their money, they can spend it however they want.
#4REDACTED, Posted: Dec 18 2011 at 7:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That sounds like whats wrong to me, but unfonunatley someone must have forgot to put the disc in my box cause the pc didnt come with any discs, recovory or other wise. I saved everything that came with the pc even the box and all the papers. when I asked the store why there was no discs when i got it, they said it was because there was a recovery partition on the pc and discs werent needed.
#5 Dec 18 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most box PC's don't come with disc's anymore. Recovery data is on the partition of the hard drive. Idea being, you recover to get it base-lined and then get on the web and download any further drivers you need. I personally hate box PC's as the recovery is usually loaded down with junk programs installed by HP/Dell/etc. Problems come up when you attempt to un-install those (HP really bad about that, Sony too). I know back in the MS Xp days, you normally would get instructions telling you to make a recovery set of disks before using the PC. Not sure now with Vista/Win7, since I build any PCs I need for myself. At work, any PC that takes a crap gets wiped and reloaded with a standard configuration that only includes basic features anyway. No hunting for drivers there, plus if it is completely dead...recycle. Our PCs are dirt cheap.

Point being, crack the case and remove the disk drive and see the make/model of the optical drive. Get on the web and look up the drivers/firmware, it is really that easy.
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#6 Dec 18 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know how often you lurk the OOT, but you made the wrong bet when you decided to make a sympathy thread about why you can't get free stuff.

Tech support is never free, like any free service. If it isn't a separate itemized charge then it's likely included in the price of the product.

"why should I have to pay $64.00 for tech support to say "you need a seperate[sic] disc for blu-ray"?" Why should you pay someone for assessing your problem exactly as stated in his/her job description? Are you serious?

How is it are you unable to understand your situation?

Edited, Dec 18th 2011 8:26am by Allegory
#7 Dec 18 2011 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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I have an hp pavilion entertainment pc.
Take it back to Walmart and buy a real computer?
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#8 Dec 18 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Point being, crack the case and remove the disk drive and see the make/model of the optical drive. Get on the web and look up the drivers/firmware, it is really that easy.



#9 Dec 18 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, a brand new top of the line learjet costs at most $5,000,000.00.


5m is the starting price for one, not the top end. If you're on a budget you can buy used for 2-4m
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Also, a brand new top of the line learjet costs at most $5,000,000.00.


5m is the starting price for one, not the top end. If you're on a budget you can buy used for 2-4m
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#11 Dec 18 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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the only firmware update I found so far is for a Sony Optiarc BD ROM BC-5501S-H​2 1.86. is there a difference between BD ROM BC-5501S and BD ROM BC-5501S-hr? I found that at the site below.

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/Sony-Optiarc-BD-ROM-BC-5501S-H2-FIRMWARE-Update/td-p/964241
#12 Dec 18 2011 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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"I don't want to pay 64 bucks for support. Kaolian, can you be my tech support?"

Smiley: laugh
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#13 Dec 18 2011 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
"I don't want to pay 64 bucks for support. Kaolian, can you be my tech support?"

Smiley: laugh

Isn't that why he's here?
#14 Dec 18 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allakhazam has tech support, and is only $9.99.
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#15 Dec 18 2011 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I will do support for free, it will be horrible horrible advice but you get what you pay for.
#16 Dec 18 2011 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Kao is my tech support. Thankfully I don't have to call on him too frequently.
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#17 Dec 18 2011 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
I'm only here because I'm doing a boot scan on another PC and I can't do anything much until it completes.

Think I might have to reformat, but that's life.
#18 Dec 18 2011 at 8:54 PM Rating: Excellent
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
"I don't want to pay 64 bucks for support. Kaolian, can you be my tech support?"

Smiley: laugh
Kao, and many others here would have bent over backwards to help the guy if he approached it differently, IMO. If he went to the support forum and wasn't griping about customer service, he'd probably be well on his way to fixing his problem.
#19 Dec 18 2011 at 9:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Timelordwho wrote:
Allakhazam has tech support, and is only $9.99.


Ironically the tech support forum answering duties are all volunteer. I get my regular admin pay, sure, but answering those tech support questions has no bearing on how much I get paid. I answer them for three reasons.

One, Computers are a hobby of mine. it happens to be my other job to interact with them, and I think I have a fairly decent track record on computer repair advice.

Two, The tech support forum is a large google search draw to the site. People looking for answers to specific game problems will often see our results first, hopefully find their answer, and then realize "hey, there's a forum here, i should post more!" and increase traffic or at least lurkership. How successful that has been, I have no real way to judge, but I do know that particular forum sees more anonymous viewers than many of the other forums.

Three, I want to make sure we have a place for people to go and see how to protect their computers from viruses, and understand that we have a technical competancy about viruses and virus prevention and are likely to be able to recognize an infection in our banner ads sooner rather than later if one ever does occur, and at the very least that we take them very seriously.

They didn't want a tech support forum at first. I had to lobby for it for about 4 months. I think it has turned out pretty nice for an afterthought forum though. I usually don't mind answering tech support questions in there. Its only the ones where the users come off as demanding or as being kind of jerks towards support technicians in general that I generally ignore. I do some side tech support after hours for profit in the local area here aside from my main job, mainly specializing in virus repair / reload etc. $65/hr is actually a pretty good deal for that kind of thing. It's kind of like being a plumber. You get to deal with the worst of the worst in terms of viruses and infection vectors, and it isn't steady everyday work. Plus, the ones who are really good at it and are worth the higher rates tend to not bill as many hours fixing things in the first place. Lately I've been branching out to fixing some PC issues remotely via the free teamviewer.com application. I bought the corporate license, etc. That works suprisingly well for fixing many smaller issues, though you have to be careful to not trip the network stack and lose connectivity, so there are definitly limits to what you can do. But fixing driver errors, etc works really well.

anyways, I'm rambling. So yes, tech support people are useful. You should buy them cookies.
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#20 Dec 18 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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You should buy them cookies.

Why buy you cookies when you have one of the most delicious recipes I've ever seen?
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Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
"I don't want to pay 64 bucks for support. Kaolian, can you be my tech support?"

Smiley: laugh
Kao, and many others here would have bent over backwards to help the guy if he approached it differently, IMO. If he went to the support forum and wasn't griping about customer service, he'd probably be well on his way to fixing his problem.
I'm making an educated guess that this example is the reason we will continue to lack quality items.
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#22 Dec 18 2011 at 10:12 PM Rating: Excellent
The reason warranties expire is because they want you to pay them for a longer warranty.

HP actually offers up to a 4 year warranty on their computers, which is actually about what the expected lifespan is for any given desktop system. (Even if the parts are still in good shape, the hardware is pretty obsolete after 3-4 years.)

And if you don't want to pay $300 for the 4 year warranty, you're always welcome to pay my office $95/hour labor plus parts. Smiley: nod

Now I'll be nice. Since you reinstalled the OS and recovered the partition, have you done Windows Updates? A lot of times missing drivers can be downloaded that way. 2. Have you put some antivirus on? The blu-ray driver can wait; your AV solution should not.

Edited, Dec 18th 2011 11:13pm by catwho
#23 Dec 19 2011 at 1:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll gladly extend my knowledge to anyone who needs it. I'm not some super special level ten computer wizard like Kao but I work in the industry and can fix most issues coming my way.

Outside of that. I lulz'd when the OP said he has an HP.
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#4 is really fun when its your cousin on his mom's work laptop...
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#26 Dec 19 2011 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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Sandory, I've had a similar problem to yours in the past, so maybe I can be of some assistance. You could try downloading firmware updates to re-update your un-updated drive, but a lot of driver developers have recently updated the costs of their firmware updates. As I updated you before, everything costs money. If you can find an updated optical drive of similar model to your own, you can update your un-updated drive through an update link. You won't have to buy driver updates, but you will need a crossover cable.

Best of luck.
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