We're being told to eat seven portions of fruit and vegFollow

Because anecdotes are totally data, I don't recall increasing our fast food intake when we moved into town from the farm. Then again what's urban anyway? Because people in small highway truck-stop towns which are loaded with fast food restaurants eat a lot of fast food. I could see them lumped in with "urban poor" fairly easily.

Edited, Apr 10th 2014 1:28pm by someproteinguy

And once again you've got it completely backwards. My argument is that other factors (like over consumption of processed foods) are the real problem, but that we over focus on just fast food. How busy fast food restaurants in the burbs are is completely beside the point. The folks in the suburbs are more likely to eat home cooked meals as an alternative to eating fast food. The poor urban family is more likely to eat cheap processed foods as an alternative to fast food.

I'd also speculate that the middle class suburban people are more likely to be consuming fast food for lunch, but having a home cooked meal for dinner, which is far more healthy than eating a diet that consists almost entirely of fast food and pre-cooked processed food. There are reasons why Obesity correlates with poverty in the US. And food choice is a huge part of that.

Edited, Apr 10th 2014 3:03pm by gbaji

So you know that Thing A is reported on literally 1,000 times more than Thing B, but it's "ridiculous" to ask for your numbers or cites on Thing B.

Well, you sure know hoe to frame a convincing argument

So it's literally 1,000 times zero?

Huh. No, really, do continue

Yeah, I get that you can just claim you can't find any. But then that's how I know you're either a liar or retarded. Or maybe both, who knows. That would certainly explain a lot.

I'm just finding it hard to believe that even you are falling for the BS you're writing. Imagine this exchange:

gbaji: This is a nice neighborhood. People are always friendly and helping each other out, and I can't remember the last time I had any issues with any of my neighbors.

Jophiel: Prove that by listing how many times you've had issues with your neighbors.

gbaji: Um... what? I just told you I couldn't remember the last time.

Jophiel: Ah. So you admit you don't know how often it happens! How can you prove people are nice more often than they are mean?

gbaji: /facepalm

Once upon a time not long ago, I was on another board talking about games. I was making some point about the number of games with X vs Y (details aren't important) and so looked at some lists on Steam. Then I was able to say "according to this list, the top games have X vs Y and the top action games have this and the top RPG games have that". Now obviously I could have just made up numbers to "support" my point but instead I gave something others could check and verify, thus giving real evidence to my point.

Someone telling stories about their neighbor is doing just that, telling stories. If you meant to say you just perceive some liberal media fast food conspiracy bias, then that's fine... you're just telling stories and no one can say you're wrong but then no one would really consider it fact based either. When you start acting in your usual pseudo-authoritative way, one might be tempted to call you on it by asking for verifiable evidence of your claims. Of course, this is the quickest way to make you spin around, demanding that it's everyone else's fault for asking and then hustling back into the "it's just my OPINION, man!" position. I won't say that you can't have your opinion, but maybe you should stop presenting it as fact when you have nothing to back it up except for hissy fits.

You didn't watch the documentary in question, did you? If we are talking about this specific one, yes he absolutely did campaign for a healthy, raw-foods vegan juicing extreme diet. In fact, just about every documentary in my recent memory has had some agenda such as this, not the "go get hungry man instead" that's going on in your mind. The Perfect Human Diet advocates paleo. Hungry for Change advocates raw and juicing. The one we were discussing here was also one that advocated vegan and some level of juicing.

In short, you are just making sh*t up when you have no idea what you are talking about. Not one of these documentaries just slams fast food without giving a practical, and almost always healthier, alternative. Personally I subscribe to the paleo way of thinking, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend that Supersize me defaulted to a "go get ramen" position. It didn't. Go watch the documentaries before making comments.

Edited, Apr 11th 2014 2:59pm by Torrence

Only most of us; wouldn't want to agree in excess.

It's not. Most of the "extreme diet" fads are quite bad for you.


Um... Also, I thought we were talking about SuperSize me. That was pretty much exclusively about showing how bad fast food was. Specifically McDonalds fast food.