It's just always been that way, since a lot of us started out as normal posters and not admins, I thought it would be wrong to bump up all our normal user posts too.
If I post something that people disagree with in, say, Sci-Fi+Fantasy, why shouldn't someone be able to rate me down?
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Random thought on the Karma system; why not just have an exponential decay on the effect your individual ratings have on that person's overall Karma?
For example; a poster, who we'll term "*******" for this discussion, posts something really stupid on the Everquest forums. Posters X and Y rate down that individual post, which drops his Karma a decent amount but not amazingly so, given his 500-post count, some of which has actually been fairly helpful.
However, Poster Z decides that he really, really doesn't like *******. He goes through the forums and finds 300 of *******'s posts and rates them all down. Every time he gives ******* another rating, his individual impact on *******'s Karma goes down, and eventually the effect is almost completely negligable.
Obviously the formula can be pretty much anything you want it to be (and might need a bit of fine-tuning), but the idea is sound, no?
For example; a poster, who we'll term "*******" for this discussion, posts something really stupid on the Everquest forums. Posters X and Y rate down that individual post, which drops his Karma a decent amount but not amazingly so, given his 500-post count, some of which has actually been fairly helpful.
However, Poster Z decides that he really, really doesn't like *******. He goes through the forums and finds 300 of *******'s posts and rates them all down. Every time he gives ******* another rating, his individual impact on *******'s Karma goes down, and eventually the effect is almost completely negligable.
Obviously the formula can be pretty much anything you want it to be (and might need a bit of fine-tuning), but the idea is sound, no?
I have 2 suggestions:
1) Raise the default rating from 1.50 to 2.00. It's often difficult to get enough ratings to get someone below the filter, especially when one idiot decides to rate it excellent.
2) Don't let users pick "never filter." It seems most people use never filter (myself included), and it kind of spoils the point of the system.
This will of course cause people to complain about not seeing certain posts, but in the case when a post falls below filter, you could insert a blank post saying "this post has been skipped by filter" instead of just that tiny message at the bottom of the page.
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I have 2 suggestions:
1) Raise the default rating from 1.50 to 2.00. It's often difficult to get enough ratings to get someone below the filter, especially when one idiot decides to rate it excellent.
2) Don't let users pick "never filter." It seems most people use never filter (myself included), and it kind of spoils the point of the system.
I second this for what it's worth. Well maybe 1.75 but sometimes it takes more then a few to get it down. Especially if the nut who posted is a sage and such.
IF the "never filter" option was removed then the point of the Karma system would be driven home when a posts just poped off the screen.
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Edited, Tue Sep 28 18:27:49 2004 by GrumpyWookie
Disabling Never Filter would be a really bad idea- for one, you could nuke a post to the point where it couldn't ever be seen by anyone else, regardless of its merit, with a few socks. 'Karma Farming' is kind of irrelivent now; if you could use, say, five manufactured sock puppets to essentially delete each and everyone of, say, your posts, how do you think that would play?
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2) Don't let users pick "never filter." It seems most people use never filter (myself included), and it kind of spoils the point of the system.
This will of course cause people to complain about not seeing certain posts, but in the case when a post falls below filter, you could insert a blank post saying "this post has been skipped by filter" instead of just that tiny message at the bottom of the page.
This will of course cause people to complain about not seeing certain posts, but in the case when a post falls below filter, you could insert a blank post saying "this post has been skipped by filter" instead of just that tiny message at the bottom of the page.
Actually Instead of removing the ability to change the filter, it should be (if possible) That as soon as a threads karma drops below default ie below the 'default filter' then it makes the 'rate posts' button diabled. So that once it falls below filter it can never rise back up. Thus avoiding the problems with trolls rating up trash posts to keep them above filter. This jsut remains teh problem of bumping threads, but if you have filters set it wont matter. How about that?
Same problem, then. A few trolls can use the Karma system and a couple of socks to prevent people who use the filters from seeing posts they don't want people to see (and make it impossible for them to see it unless they disable the filter)... hence making the Karma system worse than worthless.
ANY system has holes in it.
You can play the "What if" game so to speak and find a problem with anything.
The best solution is to ignore it, it will go away.
What's that? you still notice a problem?
You are not ignoring it then.
You can play the "What if" game so to speak and find a problem with anything.
The best solution is to ignore it, it will go away.
What's that? you still notice a problem?
You are not ignoring it then.
Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
It's just always been that way, since a lot of us started out as normal posters and not admins, I thought it would be wrong to bump up all our normal user posts too.
If I post something that people disagree with in, say, Sci-Fi+Fantasy, why shouldn't someone be able to rate me down?
If I post something that people disagree with in, say, Sci-Fi+Fantasy, why shouldn't someone be able to rate me down?
Well, that much I agree with. But if you're posting in an administrative capacity and it gets rated down, well.... it just looks bad. And it annoys me that anyone would rate you guys down given how hard you work to make this site as good as it is. I dunno, I probably take it a lot more personally than you admins do, but I'm so thankful for all of you putting so much effort into the site and it rubs me the wrong way when others aren't as appreciative. >_<
RPZip wrote:
Random thought on the Karma system; why not just have an exponential decay on the effect your individual ratings have on that person's overall Karma?
For example; a poster, who we'll term "*******" for this discussion, posts something really stupid on the Everquest forums. Posters X and Y rate down that individual post, which drops his Karma a decent amount but not amazingly so, given his 500-post count, some of which has actually been fairly helpful.
However, Poster Z decides that he really, really doesn't like *******. He goes through the forums and finds 300 of *******'s posts and rates them all down. Every time he gives ******* another rating, his individual impact on *******'s Karma goes down, and eventually the effect is almost completely negligable.
Obviously the formula can be pretty much anything you want it to be (and might need a bit of fine-tuning), but the idea is sound, no?
For example; a poster, who we'll term "*******" for this discussion, posts something really stupid on the Everquest forums. Posters X and Y rate down that individual post, which drops his Karma a decent amount but not amazingly so, given his 500-post count, some of which has actually been fairly helpful.
However, Poster Z decides that he really, really doesn't like *******. He goes through the forums and finds 300 of *******'s posts and rates them all down. Every time he gives ******* another rating, his individual impact on *******'s Karma goes down, and eventually the effect is almost completely negligable.
Obviously the formula can be pretty much anything you want it to be (and might need a bit of fine-tuning), but the idea is sound, no?
That might work, as long as the effect returns to normal over time.
Also, would their be anything wrong with leaving an anonymous comment every time you rate a post down? The only think I can think of is that the server would slow down.
The "you can use an army of sockpuppets" applies to EVERY situation. The fact remains that very few people remain angry enough to take the time and effort to do that. Even with RPZip's exponential decay method, I can create 2 thousand Yahoo e-mail accounts and rate you down like that.
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as for the rate down: what did you expect? you linked a thread I didn't like. I rated every single post in that thread a 1.0 two times.
Only two times?
You're slackin' Illia :P
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