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#1 Apr 26 2005 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Many of us on the gilgamesh forum believe there is a karma troll. Many thread have been entirely rated down for no particular reason.
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This one for example.

Someone already sent a message, i'm posting becuase its annoying.
#2 Apr 26 2005 at 9:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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More information on this:
Someone in the forum basically brought this upon themselves in this thread. I recognize this as silly on the OP's part, however now the reprecusions(ratedowns) of that are spilling over to many other threads on the board where that person (Lionheartviii) posts.

We're just wondering if there's anything that can be done about it?
#3 Apr 27 2005 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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completely seperate issues. There was a karma camper who was using "secret" forums to rate themselves up in that first thread you posted, they have since aquired a new karma camper... ME! I figure 3 or 4 hundred 1.00's should get their attention no?

The second thread you listed is a combination of people annoyed about the word karma. I suggest you just write that thread off as a learning experiance and move on.

For the record, the poster "Chocobolove" has no rate bots or other accounts. If thinking that he is a rate bot is the only reason for all the 1.00 rating appended to him, well you are all mistaken. I am tempted to make him a sage just to annoy all the people jumping to conclusions in that forum except that it does seem like he deserved a share of the 1.00's for his other posts.
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#4 Apr 27 2005 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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*giggle*

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Wait, no. Please don't. ; ;
#5 Apr 27 2005 at 6:35 AM Rating: Excellent
It's chocobolove <,<
#6 Apr 27 2005 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, here's a little something I've caught on a thread that the above people didn't post.

Hmmm...What's this supposed to mean, then?


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Meh~ I'm a dumbass and can't do PHPbb obviously. ._.;

I see nothing wrong with that thread, and yet somehow, as soon as Chocobolove posted, all the karma bombed out. I don't see how you couldn't be led to believe...I guess this site is just like Square-Enix. =x Oh well.

Edited, Wed Apr 27 12:12:24 2005 by Eiri
#7 Apr 27 2005 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I am tempted to make him a sage just to annoy all the people jumping to conclusions in that forum


Just wanted to comment... I'm not sure this is a good thing to say. While I'm not certain how reasonable the original complaint is, responses like this seem like they would encourage people to remain silent even when there are legitimate grounds for such a request.
#8 Apr 27 2005 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
FFXINETBoshi wrote:
It's chocobolove <,<
Eiri wrote:
I see nothing wrong with that thread, and yet somehow, as soon as Chocobolove posted, all the karma bombed out. I don't see how you couldn't be led to believe...I guess this site is just like Square-Enix. =x Oh well.
Don't be stupid. The admins are able to see who rates who what and therefore KNOWS if that user rated down or not. There is no if and or but about it and what he is essentially saying is that you people are WRONG and to knock off the idiotic karma witchhunt.

How would you like it if you were false accused of rating down by sockpuppetry and get your karma rated into oblivion so that your account was useless?

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#9 Apr 27 2005 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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read the second half of the run on sentance -

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except that it does seem like he deserved a share of the 1.00's for his other posts.


It took me a good nights sleep to catch it.
Thank you admin. We do appreciate the information despite the accidental panic it seems to have caused.
#11 Apr 27 2005 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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If so many of you are so heartstricken over this Chocoboperson, why haven't you pushed them under the default filter yet? Kao already said that they aren't using a sock, so theoretically, it should be easy for you to "squash" the pest, right?

I was going to leave this alone, but since you in particular posted here, oh well...

You, along with a couple of other yet to be unnamed individuals from the FFXI forums have been whining an awful lot about karma lately. Every time I check this forum it's "SoandSo is camping me", "SoandSo is a troll", "I know SoandSo is a troll because I'm just freakin' smart like that".... Because of all of this complaining, I've visited the FFXI forums no less then 10 times this week (ohhh, the horror) looking at what you all are complaining about. One thing that I see OVER and OVER and OVER is YOU complaining about your karma. GET OVER IT.

@ Kao. Christ. Seeing all of this, it almost makes me want to apologize for the stink I made over Sanctuary. If this is the crap you all had to put up with in the Asylum, I can almost understand why people of normal intellect would want to get away from the mob 'o whine.
#13 Apr 27 2005 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can echo what Kaolian has said. Chocobolove does not appear to have any bots or accounts of any sort.

Eiri wrote:
http://http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=43&mid=1114501127692574441&num=13 Hmmm...What's this supposed to mean, then?

I see nothing wrong with that thread, and yet somehow, as soon as Chocobolove posted, all the karma bombed out. I don't see how you couldn't be led to believe...I guess this site is just like Square-Enix. =x Oh well.

The ratings in that thread are from people who have nothing in common with one another, or with Chocobolove.

Lionheartviii wrote:
If it does annoy the admins for everyone to say "we have a karma bomber, please stop it" Maybe you guys should implement a menu next to each post that allows everyone to see who rated that post, and how they rated it. That way, people dont falsely accuse peopel of being karma bombers, AND those people will be able to rate down the person who actually is the karma bomber so he cant do it anymore. It allows the people to take care of the problems so you don't have to.


This is the feedback forum. We are here to help. Personally, I do not get "annoyed" with anything posted here. Checking up on ratings, connecting IPs, locking or editing threads and so forth takes very little time.

Karma bots have been previously found and shut down. If we find one, we will let you know that something has been found. As for keeping you in the dark? I am not sure what information you would want, but bot owners generally do not get "outed" except in extreme cases.
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#15 Apr 27 2005 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is really something you don't want to say to people who come to you looking for help, and I trust when this thing blows over, you will agree.


You're talking to Kao here... so I doubt he'll change his stance. He's stubborn, and at times can be a real a$$. That being said, he generally does a good job taking care of the riff raff, and he usually doesn't pull punches. As an example, I once rated several people in a way that Kao didn't feel was justified (not quite the same thing that's happening with you, trust me). He then announced to a whole forum that I was to blame and declared "open season" on me... needless to say, my default score took a significant hit for a few days.

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There was a karma camper who was using "secret" forums to rate themselves up in that first thread you posted, they have since aquired a new karma camper... ME! I figure 3 or 4 hundred 1.00's should get their attention no?


I can guarantee that Kao means that. I have heard that Dana has a script that can hand out several awfuls in one fell swoop. They have the tools, they do use them when they feel it's time.

In regards to your request to have the ability to see who rates you... you must understand that having that ability would only cause more harm then good. People would become afraid to hand out bad ratings for fear of retaliation. Posts get rated down (or up) for all kinds of reasons, but if someone could identify everyone that's given them a bad rating, the flame fests would turn into ratedown fests. Pretty soon, we'd have 20 forums of people all sitting at a 3.0 score (or worse).
#17 Apr 27 2005 at 6:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have heard that Dana has a script that can hand out several awfuls in one fell swoop.


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#18 Apr 27 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Although Chocobolove may not have anything to do with rate downs in some threads, she definatly is in others.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=43&mid=1114501127692574441&num=13

She admits to rating down in this thread when his/her karma is well below rating level. This suggest either he/she does infact have another account, or he/she thinks they can rate down. I highly doubt that the second one is true because i noticed, aswell as several others, that our ratings dropped dramaticly after he/she posted. As for actions by the admins, i find it childish to hear an important person of these forums make threats about rating people up who terrorize our threads. I no longer have any trust or respect for admin Kao. If an admin can show me evidence somehow this is true that chocobolove is not responsible, then i and many others will drop this. Until i can see this i will not believe anything i see from admins here. We have more evidence then any admin has shown us so far, and adding a threat with your evidence does not help anyone to believe you.

Chocobolove is a pest on our forums that can and will start a flame war on any thread. He/she has shown us this for many weeks now and latly everytime a flame comes to a thread, so have the rate downs. Please show us concrete evidence, or tell us who the bomber is so we can take this into our own hands.
#19 Apr 27 2005 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kazkau said it best. If you're not going to do anything about Chocobolove, please do something about the person who *IS* doing this. We've pushed Chocobolove to sub default by now, so if you could just kill whoever is bombing all the threads, there would be no more problem.

I have my filter off, but eh, I still ignore idiots when I see them. I still wish you'd do something about our problem, instead of throwing us empty threats.
#20 Apr 28 2005 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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Oh crap. Rating me down is one thing. I could care less. But you do realize you rated Kao and Railus down too, right? You just wrote your deathwarrent Bigguy.
#22 Apr 28 2005 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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poilkjhuytg has decided he doesn't want to be able to rate anymore by committing what we like to refer to as "admin assisted karma suicide". As I am always happy to oblige in such situations, please consider the 200 1.0 ratings I just appended to your 40 post scholar account to be a true token of my esteem...

Did a little repair work while I was in here to the rest of you
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#23 Apr 28 2005 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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I understand how you guys feel after seeing that "I bet he buy gil from the same place I do". It kind of sucks to have someone not only admit they buy gil, but also go around and say others do. But atleast you guys know that person isnt the karma troll.
#24 Apr 28 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
poilkjhuytg has decided he doesn't want to be able to rate anymore by committing what we like to refer to as "admin assisted karma suicide". As I am always happy to oblige in such situations, please consider the 200 1.0 ratings I just appended to your 40 post scholar account to be a true token of my esteem...

Did a little repair work while I was in here to the rest of you



I swear I almost fell outa my chair reading that.
#25 Apr 28 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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poilkjhuytg has decided he doesn't want to be able to rate anymore by committing what we like to refer to as "admin assisted karma suicide". As I am always happy to oblige in such situations, please consider the 200 1.0 ratings I just appended to your 40 post scholar account to be a true token of my esteem...

Did a little repair work while I was in here to the rest of you


lmao
#26 Apr 28 2005 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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