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#1 May 10 2005 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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was wondering if it would be possible to have some server space for a WIKI?

you know where we all can contribute? this forumbased approach surely has its pro's and cons. for some areas (like guides i.e.) I think though that a wiki would work better and could potentially save the admins here some time...

what do you think?

for the people not knowing what a wiki is:

from wiki.org

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Wiki is in Ward's original description:

The simplest online database that could possibly work.

Wiki is a piece of server software that allows users to freely create and edit Web page content using any Web browser. Wiki supports hyperlinks and has a simple text syntax for creating new pages and crosslinks between internal pages on the fly.

Wiki is unusual among group communication mechanisms in that it allows the organization of contributions to be edited in addition to the content itself.

Like many simple concepts, "open editing" has some profound and subtle effects on Wiki usage. Allowing everyday users to create and edit any page in a Web site is exciting in that it encourages democratic use of the Web and promotes content composition by nontechnical users.
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#3 May 10 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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It makes it very hard to review the content. Reviewing would include what is appropriate as well as correct.


I hear you. but:
1 - you got a very comfy function though to redo changes
2 - you can restrict it to read access first, and read/write only to trusted (verified) users.

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It could be a possible problem, too, with many people who spam this site with ads, and other such things.


no problems now, right? ;)

PS: found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest best example, as the abbreviations and acronyms are also very handy. who hasn't seen many attempts on them static lists? ;)

Edit: typo



Edited, Tue May 10 11:34:52 2005 by Kajolus
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#5 May 10 2005 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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There is simply no functionality a wiki would offer that is not somehow available already. Anyone who has something to contribute has several means to do so through the forums, by submitting guides, by sending info to the appropriate admin, etc.

The official content here is partially automated, user guides or posts can be maintained by the user if they wish, the forums are nearly self-moderated... The admins have it good here.

This could be marginally useful in the case where someone has submitted a guide that becomes out-of-date and the OP has since quit visiting the sire, but even that only saves the admins a few clicks on the delete button.

It would simply be too much work to fully convert most parts of the site to a wiki format, and asking for a simple addition is asking for duplication of data.
#6 May 10 2005 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
I would like to see an alla wiki.

it would work well in conjunction with the current forums.

make it so only scholar+ can edit, if it ends up being needed, can even flag some high postcount/reliable users as wiki-admins.

even if you have premium, if you want to know what lol means, a search for lol on the forums will bring up a bazilion hits, while a wiki would get you there quickly.
#7 May 10 2005 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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There is a very good FFXI wiki at http://wiki.teamavengers.org/, check us out!
#8 May 11 2005 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
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You should also be prepared to spend a lot of the game staring at the inside of your spellbook, meditating to get back spent mana.


from: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/classes/Classes.htm

the problem I see is, that a wiki is more for non profit uses. Alla though has to at least cover his costs. this means there are potentially people out there trying to hurt him (his site).

So I think a good verification process is the most important thing (scholar, post count are one step, but maybe not reliable enough).

what I like about a wiki is, that when I see room for improvement (like above), I can simply hit the edit button (no friggin two step process with sending it to somebody who fixes it for me but may also misunderstand me...)

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Whazzat mean? Who gets the function? (redo changes)
Does this function go to a moderator/admin?
If so, we go back to having moderators have to review the content.

the people themselves are the moderators...
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#9 May 11 2005 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Wikis are nice, but different.

It would be nice to tweak little things you see, but my guess is that more people would use it for harm than good.

In the case of staring at the inside of your spellbook, why not just add a comment? Or reauthor it and ask an admin to replace it with your updated version?


A wiki simply does not add anything to the site.

Ok that's not true, it will add more work for the admins in the creation, maintenance, and moderation of nine separate wikis. It would also add the need for additional server space and bandwidth, neither of which come cheap.
#11 May 12 2005 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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highfrequenc wrote:
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it will add more work for the admins in the creation, maintenance, and moderation of nine separate wikis.


yip, it will add work, as they have to create a strategy, as to where and how a wiki suits/fits into the overall site layout, and finally create a structure.

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In the case of staring at the inside of your spellbook, why not just add a comment? Or reauthor it and ask an admin to replace it with your updated version?


see, this is my problem. 1- its a 2 step process. 2 - the admin has its own priorities, i'd feel like i am bugging him with trivial shtuff.

the forumbased approach is sooo last millenium ;)

wiki's are they only way to go for certain dynamic infos, whereas i don't think it can replace something like lucy, there a DB imho is the only way to go, correct.

I would suggest to start with something like the Guides section from EQ1, and see how it goes...

Guides...
# New to the Game?
# Commands & Terms...
# Classes & Races...
# Skills...
# Alternate Abilities...

@ angstycoder: yip, tearing ideas apart and finding the best possible solutions is the only way to go. my boss and some colleagues hates me for that though :-P

edit: typo

Edited, Thu May 12 04:49:57 2005 by Kajolus
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#13 May 12 2005 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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see, this is my problem. 1- its a 2 step process. 2 - the admin has its own priorities, i'd feel like i am bugging him with trivial shtuff.

Why would any admin feel that any aspect of maintaining their site properly is trivial. A quality site is what provides them with paychecks. If any company's web admin feels bugged by keeping their site up to date, they are probably due a career change.

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Can you set up a wiki so that no one can use image tags (<img src=...>, [img][/img], etc.)?
Sure. It's your wiki, you can do whatever you want. Most wikis are only text and links, with formatting for headers and bullets and pretty much what's available here for posting on the forums. Behind the scenes the only real design difference between a wiki and a forum is that when something is edited in a wiki, both the original and edited copies are saved.

As far as managing content review, it might work if submissions required the approval of either an admin or some number of users. i.e. anyone visiting the site can see submissions pending and vote to verify the edit or addition. Once ten users verify it, it could take effect without admin attention. Similarly users could vote to deny the submission, just as we can rate posts subdefault, making it more self moderating.


Maybe the admins have already given it some thought, maybe not. Maybe they should. Maybe, scaled down to a replacement for the guides sections unintegrated with the content databases, it could be a small and manageable project. It might further improve forum quality, and I get the feeling a wiki section would be used far more than the guides section. Maybe some of the programming admins would like something a little different to work on for a while.

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my boss and some colleagues hates me for that though
They should feel lucky they didn't lose a bunch of money on their bad ideas before figuring it out themselves.
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