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#1 Oct 02 2007 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
Kill it! http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/poster.html?user=299776

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: *Twitches* Stop camping my karma! I didn't even say anything worthy of a rate-down this time >.>

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 11:56am by PaladinStargazer

Edited, Oct 4th 2007 4:57pm by ImperialNinja
#2 Oct 02 2007 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
He's dead Jim...
#3 Oct 02 2007 at 7:08 PM Rating: Excellent
Yay! You're my favorite admin now Word. I'd give you a cookie but I don't have premium XD
#4 Oct 02 2007 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Awwwww.

/Goes off and sulks
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#5 Oct 02 2007 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
I'll love you more than Wordaen if you give me guru Kaolin :P I'll also give you a cookie if you can get rid of the people karma camping my thread on =10
#6 Oct 03 2007 at 1:06 AM Rating: Excellent
Which thread specifically?
#7 Oct 03 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
This one specifically: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=119074473898175279;num=601;page=1

Many of the regular posters have noticed the increase in rate-downs and constant losing of Sage once they get it. I went through it this morning and several of the guys on page 12 were rated down to Decent and Default so I rated them back up. There's probably more rate-ups than rate-downs in the thread but I'd rather not have to deal with these karma campers.
#8 Oct 03 2007 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
There doesn't seem to be any other admins on right now. I think I may have found what looks to be some misuse of the karma system, but I'm not entirely sure how to interpret what I've found. Please pardon my newbness, I don't want to go throwing unwarranted NORATES and PMs around without double checking with someone who's been an admin longer than I have.

I've left a message of sorts for other admins asking them to check into this, and hopefully someone with more experience can give you an update soon. Sorry for the trouble.
#9 Oct 03 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
Specific issue is addressed at this time. Karma camping for personal or other reasons is a bad idea.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 10:44am by Wordaen
#10 Oct 03 2007 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Thanks Word and Nix. I was beginning to get a little annoyed at the constant rate-downs people in my thread and myself have been getting (just look at my first 3 posts in this thread Smiley: lol) I seem to have a knack for attracting unwanted people.
#11 Oct 03 2007 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
It actually wasn't just you, there were several people being hit. I won't get into it further except to say that we address these things when we find them.

Most of the time it's more a miscommunication or difference of opinion as the majority of the community generally does try to live in harmony though.
#12 Oct 03 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wordaen, Eater of Souls wrote:
Specific issue is addressed at this time. Karma camping for personal or other reasons is a bad idea.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 10:44am by Wordaen


there's a slight difference to remeber.

Rating someone down everytime you see a post of theirs because you don't like them is perfectly ok. Not everyone likes everyone else, and that's ok too.
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#13 Oct 03 2007 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
Illia wrote:
Rating someone down everytime you see a post of theirs because you don't like them is perfectly ok.


But... isn't that karma camping?
#14 Oct 03 2007 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
Did Illia just say karma camping is good? I'm confused now...I thought karma camping is a no-no? Illia has gone to the dark side!!!

We're doomed aren't we?
#15 Oct 03 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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PaladinStargazer wrote:
Did Illia just say karma camping is good? I'm confused now...I thought karma camping is a no-no? Illia has gone to the dark side!!!

We're doomed aren't we?


Is star the next HellboySmiley: lol

Kao <3 Your my fav even though you scare the **** out of me when you are mad.

and Illa I'm confused now.
#16 Oct 03 2007 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Illia wrote:
Rating someone down everytime you see a post of theirs because you don't like them is perfectly ok.


But... isn't that karma camping?


A while back, I gave the example of someone who'd managed to rack up some 2,000+ negative ratings against another poster. I said that while it showed dedication and obsession, it wasn't a bad thing.

In large part because the poster in question had a habit of saying things which provoked other people's emotions, including negative ones.

If someone says something you don't like, rate them down by all means. If they say enough things that you don't like; then I'd consider it a reasonable reaction to rate them down again, and again.

However, if you go hunting for their posts; that'd be kinda bad.

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#17 Oct 03 2007 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
Illia wrote:
However, if you go hunting for their posts; that'd be kinda bad.



Aha. I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
#18 Oct 03 2007 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Illia wrote:
However, if you go hunting for their posts; that'd be kinda bad.


Isnt this what paladin is tryin to get to? He thinks ppl are following him because to about every rate up he gets it goes back down too.
#19 Oct 03 2007 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
I think I understand what you are saying Illia, but I'm still slightly confused. So from what you are saying, if person X doesn't like person Y then person X can freely rate-down any post made by person Y, despite the content? I always that would be kind of trolling and karma camping but from what you are saying it seems like you are saying that it's alright.

Like Shusio said, majority of my posts that I make that aren't in my thread on =10 (well those get rated down too before getting rated up) or in the BST forums gets rated down by someone. If what you are saying is right, then I've been in the wrong for suspecting that I have karma trolls and not just people that hate me for posting.

Can anyone with premium give me a Smiley: cookie so I can give it to Wordaen for doing such a great job? I can't afford premium yet so I can't give out cookies sorry.
#20 Oct 03 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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PaladinStargazer wrote:
I think I understand what you are saying Illia, but I'm still slightly confused. So from what you are saying, if person X doesn't like person Y then person X can freely rate-down any post made by person Y, despite the content? I always that would be kind of trolling and karma camping but from what you are saying it seems like you are saying that it's alright.

Like Shusio said, majority of my posts that I make that aren't in my thread on =10 (well those get rated down too before getting rated up) or in the BST forums gets rated down by someone. If what you are saying is right, then I've been in the wrong for suspecting that I have karma trolls and not just people that hate me for posting.

Can anyone with premium give me a Smiley: cookie so I can give it to Wordaen for doing such a great job? I can't afford premium yet so I can't give out cookies sorry.


ftfy
#21 Oct 03 2007 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Thanks Shusio. I can always count on you to add smilies when I need them :D
#22 Oct 03 2007 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to have to start abusing that function now Shusio. lol
#23 Oct 03 2007 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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you are welcome. my rate up/down button got nerfed
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#24 Oct 03 2007 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
I guess I'll have to make up for the nerf then :P. I feel so much better now that I know the workings of the karma system. Does Illia like cookies? I may have to ask you to give me another one Shusio.

Wait...me...the next Hellboy? I don't think I'm that bad to become Hellboy. I'll need 20k posts before I can be the next Hellboy.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 4:35pm by PaladinStargazer
#25 Oct 03 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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just incase Illa does [:cookies:]
#26 Oct 03 2007 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
Stargazer, I feel for the admins bro, I really do. I feel for you too.

Mostly, however, I feel for myself... orz I get camped bigtime T.T

lol

In all seriousness though, let's get real here...

Illia wrote:
that'd be kinda bad.


That kind of sums it up. I'm not trying to make you look bad, because I realize what a tough predicament you are in. Kinda bad, but not officically bad, kinda wrong, but not officially wrong.

The karma system is merely a system in a program. Atm the regulations for it seem to be, for me at least, you can do whatever the program allows you to do. It's like a video game I guess, they throw you in, you are allowed to do anything within the confines of the system to try and win it.

Now, however, you have the unenviable task of people being asked to govern this basic program system ethically.

You have people that are jerks who get offended by a comment and become vindictive enough to rate down every single post you make.

Or, even worse, people that just rate down because then they look better in comparison. If other people are lower in ranking than them, that makes them look better. It's all relative.

You have people like yourself, who feel they are disadvantaged by this stupid practice, and demand some form of justice.

Then you have the poor guys in charge, who have to respond to people like yourself, who sympathise with you but can't start drawing lines in the sand.

The only real options as I see it are:

Judge it on a case by case basis which is impossible.

Just let the system govern it completely, which is pretty much what is going on atm. People like you just have to play the game.

Or implement some clearly defined rules and improve the system, god knows it needs it.

So I've probably just either sympathised with everyone or alienated myself from everyone lol, probably the latter T.T, sorry but that's the way I see it and I have to speak my mind.

Sorry admins, I really do understand what a tough, awkward, no win situation it would be for you guys (/comfort nixnot lol- edit= b/c he's new I mean, not trying to be rude). I would hate it.

It's like... hmmm... a judge who has to let someone off on a loophole maybe? 5 judges being asked to make verdicts when everything is very grey, and there are no clear governing lines to follow? Hell idk, normally I can think of good analogies.

I think the practice sux, I think the admins SHOULD do something about it, but I think they are in an impossible situation, so I'm going to leave it for now.

edit: I'm not expecting or asking for a reply to this.

2nd edit: this is kind of exactly why I get camped I think ><

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 5:39pm by kechup
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