Possible solution to Karma Camping(?)Follow

I've been looking around the forums and it's really been quite disappointing to see some posters who take a good deal of their time writing something that is either positive or inquisitive, only to see it Defaulted by some clown (or their puppet account[s]) with either nothing to do or some ridiculous vendetta. More specifically, I speak of the celebratory thread started by Clefairy yesterday.

Now I'm not now nor was ever on the Garuda server, so I have no personal bias or interest in what goes on there. But the attitudes of some of the posters, who have a rather absurd grudge against the starter of this thread, on that particular thread exposes a serious flaw that still exists in the rating system on this forum. Anyone with Scholar status or higher can rate down someone based on little more than a personal grudge, no matter how many posts they've made. Pay close attention to the italicized clause in the previous sentence, for it is the main point of my post.

I very much believe certain people are still using sockpuppet accounts to karma camp people they don't like (Seriha was kind enough to research who was doing this as far as I was concerned, but this is not the main reason for my post). My solution to this might seem a little rash, but I believe requiring a 300 post minimum before being allowed the rating option is one of a few ways to keep karma trolls from killing rational discussions based on irrational vendettas, be they in-game or in-forum.

I suppose a determined troll would try to get their sock accounts past this point so they can keep wreaking havoc on those they don't like, but I feel that 300 posts takes just enough time to accumulate to discourage most of them from creating socks for the express purpose of karma camping.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 6:17pm by Kaolian

Select "Never filter" and you'll see all posts, no matter the karma score.

Problem solved!

I am no match for speeling.

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 5:32am by Tare

No one needs to make a Sock to rate clefairy into oblivion. It's like the anti-buttersheep for allakhazam, people see it and try to destroy it's pathetic job combo.

My respones are in italics.

Whatever happened to "OMG I QUIT ZAM BECAUSE ITS RUN BY ELITIST BGERS OMG"

Bump. Have recently been subjected to this as well and I really did not want to start another "get rid of the useless karma system" thread.

Truthfully, you cannot sit there and say to me that the karma system is not flawed and is a horrible idea in its current state.

Example:

Multiple people stating they rate posters down for simply disagreeing with them. Just makes me laugh a little when this kind of behavior is accepted and even encouraged.

Your reasons for the karma system are so that trolls do not flood said forums. I produce, to you, successful forum sites like BG and KillingIfrit who do not have any problems with this at all and are successful without said system (even more-so than Allakazham, as far as FFXI is concerned). I'll also point you to the global WoW forums that are managed by Blizzard. I'm sure there are a plethora of other gaming forums out there that do not have a rating system like this that are successful.

Since you cannot change a person's decision to rate someone down or not, you are left with the option of removing the system all together and reverting these forums to 'normal' online forums.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 4:18pm by KiokuMemory

I added material to the post. That's wonderful that they say it is ok posting procedure, however this still doesn't make the point that other forums are as successful (if not more so) than Allakazham in terms of FFXI and WoW without such a system in place.

It was implemented to get rid of spam posts and trolls. This is not how it is currently being used.

Example: OOT has a set of guidelines that DEFY the Allakazham posting policy that the admins agree upon.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28;mid=119377298231792907;num=51;page=1



Hilarious to the point of it being extremely sad.

Further thoughts:

Often, helpful information in a post that is sub-defaulted is lost based on this style of forum management. This is counter-productive.

Example:

Rating someone down for disagreeing with you is analogous with punching someone in the face for disagreeing with you in real life. This is simply unethical and goes against the norms of most societies. And yes, when I generalize about the Allakazham population I do mean all societies. I do not want to hear about Native American societies who have different customs yet occupy .02% of the Allakazham userbase just so you can bring up an example that defies the generalization in an attempt to derail the topic.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 4:28pm by KiokuMemory

Yet the developers actually respond to the class forums and provide pertinent information and updates.

You have been reported to Kaolin for admitted karma camping.

Edit: On second thought...thank you for proving that you are no better than anyone on the WoW forums and making yourself look like a hypocrite in two simple sentences, though. I don't think I'll stoop to your level. I'm content with your mistake, which basically takes the work out of creating a rebuttal.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 4:48pm by KiokuMemory

It's the internet.

Calm down, please.

Meh. It's an internet rating system. I could think of a lot worse things to rant about.

Yes, please keep your posts contained in this thread, because it makes it easier to camp you.

Ironically, your posts seem better fit for the World of Warcraft global forums Barkingturtle.

I wouldn't know, because I don't post there. I mostly don't post on the WoW forums because I wouldn't be able to rate you down there. I like rating you down.