Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Would it ever be a possibility Follow

#1 Feb 10 2008 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
To create a FFXI newbies forum . I know the general forum is intended to answer general questions, which would include the obvious newbie ones (How do I farm/pick a server/get a linkshell etc.

One thing I notice a lot is that people who ask these questions seem to automatically get rated to default or even sub default, purely for the crime of being new to the game, curious about the way to get the most from their playing experience, and not knowing of other places to look for advice (for example, wiki etc)

It seems a shame that people with a genuine interest in playing the game ask a simple question that would take all of five seconds to provide a brief but helpful answer too, and instead people waste time thinking of ways to insult them.

Everyone who plays FFXI was new once. Some of them have been playing for year, probably since before sites such as alla were as well developed as they are now. But I suspect the majority of the players have at least once asked one of these newbie questions themselves in the past - perhaps not on alla, but possibly in linkshell or otherwise.

It seems a shame that people who wish to join ffxi have their first interactions with the ffxi public being an insulting one.

Is there any chance at all of starting a specific forum for new player questions. That way all the people who forget they were once new players themselves can stop acting like asshats, and people who are looking for a little help and advice might actually get it :)
#2 Feb 10 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
The vast majority of these newbs are clearly making no effort to look up answers for themselves. There's this nice little thing called "google" - I swear it's magical. If I ask it a question it can locate boundless amounts of information for me! Maybe we should tell the newbs about it *rolls eyes*

I can't speak on behalf of Allakhazam, but the newbs would still be rated down and made fun of, regardless or where they might post - I'm fairly certain of this.
#3 Feb 10 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
is Happy on Friday!
Avatar
*****
12,448 posts
I'd be thinking about posting something along these lines too.

a game Help forum, which answers questions and ****, getting all the dead horse questions out of =10 and stopping the troll-defenders from guilt tripping those of us who are sick of the questions and can't take them seriously.

I'm sure other games' main discussion forums would like the idea too, that way we could discuss the game and such, instead of answering the same damn questions that people are to lazy to look up for themselves... Smiley: banghead
____________________________
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!

Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#4 Feb 10 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
Himmelskralle, Eater of Souls wrote:
The vast majority of these newbs are clearly making no effort to look up answers for themselves. There's this nice little thing called "google" - I swear it's magical. If I ask it a question it can locate boundless amounts of information for me! Maybe we should tell the newbs about it *rolls eyes*

I can't speak on behalf of Allakhazam, but the newbs would still be rated down and made fun of, regardless or where they might post - I'm fairly certain of this.


Simple, anyone who wants to go out of their way to enter the newb forum and still be an *** gets a mute, post count nerf, karma nukage, some similar deterrent. Let's be honest, there really isn't anything left to discuss in ffxi that isn't covered by job forums or google. There's nothing that hasn't really been asked before. Should we just shut down the main forum until update notes come out?

Jinte there's a simple solution to your problem too. Have you considered not posting in the thread? Then you don't have to answer any questions you don't want to.
#5 Feb 10 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Spankatorium Administratix
*****
1oooo posts
This comes up quite often, and it's solved by ignoring them. There's guides, FAQ's etc all over the place, all one has to do is LOOK.
____________________________

#6 Feb 10 2008 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
is Happy on Friday!
Avatar
*****
12,448 posts
Redyoshi, ****** Superhero wrote:

Jinte there's a simple solution to your problem too. Have you considered not posting in the thread? Then you don't have to answer any questions you don't want to.


ok, but what if i want to answer it sarcastically. there's no rule that says i can't be an ***.

if the question is asked in context, at the right place, at the right time, i'll gladly answer it seriously. if the question is answered by simply looking and putting forth a little effort, **** it, i'm going to be an ***. I rarely asked questions when i was a newb, and when i did, I made sure i couldn't find the info first.
____________________________
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!

Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#7 Feb 10 2008 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
Keeper of the Shroud
*****
13,632 posts
I was going to post my thoughts on this, but Jinte pretty much covered it for me.
#8 Feb 10 2008 at 6:25 PM Rating: Excellent
Spankatorium Administratix
*****
1oooo posts
Professor Jinte wrote:
Redyoshi, ****** Superhero wrote:

Jinte there's a simple solution to your problem too. Have you considered not posting in the thread? Then you don't have to answer any questions you don't want to.


ok, but what if i want to answer it sarcastically. there's no rule that says i can't be an ***.

if the question is asked in context, at the right place, at the right time, i'll gladly answer it seriously. if the question is answered by simply looking and putting forth a little effort, @#%^ it, i'm going to be an ***. I rarely asked questions when i was a newb, and when i did, I made sure i couldn't find the info first.


Just be careful on how much *** you put out there, it may come back and bite you. Those are the nicey nice forums, we have an *** forum, if you have the stomach for it.
____________________________

#9 Feb 10 2008 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Just be careful on how much *** you put out there, it may come back and bite you. Those are the nicey nice forums, we have an *** forum, if you have the stomach for it.
And if they're willing to tolerate you.

Some people are too much of an *** even for =4.
#10 Feb 11 2008 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
*******
50,767 posts
Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Just be careful on how much *** you put out there, it may come back and bite you. Those are the nicey nice forums, we have an *** forum, if you have the stomach for it.
And if they're willing to tolerate you.

Some people are too much of an *** even for =4.
Yer talkin' behind my back. Smiley: glareSmiley: glare
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#11 Feb 11 2008 at 4:41 AM Rating: Decent
is Happy on Friday!
Avatar
*****
12,448 posts
in =10 i try to limit myself to just bluntly honest, with the occasional ***-rant. Smiley: schooled
____________________________
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!

Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#12 Feb 11 2008 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
lolgaxe wrote:
Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Just be careful on how much *** you put out there, it may come back and bite you. Those are the nicey nice forums, we have an *** forum, if you have the stomach for it.
And if they're willing to tolerate you.

Some people are too much of an *** even for =4.
Yer talkin' behind my back. Smiley: glareSmiley: glare
Am not.

At least, not on purpose.
#13 Feb 13 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
Himmelskralle, Eater of Souls wrote:
The vast majority of these newbs are clearly making no effort to look up answers for themselves. There's this nice little thing called "google" - I swear it's magical. If I ask it a question it can locate boundless amounts of information for me! Maybe we should tell the newbs about it *rolls eyes*

I can't speak on behalf of Allakhazam, but the newbs would still be rated down and made fun of, regardless or where they might post - I'm fairly certain of this.


I did a little experiment , and did a little googling myself, with the words 'FFXI Help'

I got : Weebls stuff forums link
Numerous RMT sites
Gamesites200.com (which has numerous links to RMT sites)
Sites containing bots, exploits and third party tools etc

Now, if I type in FFXI Forum, Alla is the first result up ... and the link takes you directly to the general discussion forum. Not to any guides (yes,we all know they are on the site , but way way down on the bottom left of the sidebar).

General discussion, to me , indicates general as meaning a wide variety of topic, including newer players questions.

Now, there is a newbs guide to alla in the stickys - Written by Codyy, and the description there of the main ffxi forum is :

Quote:
a: Main FFXI Forum
The Main FFXI Forum is where people go to talk about FFXI in general. They talk about the FFXI related stuff that doesn’t fit anywhere else here.
Economy stuff, events, notorious monsters, that kind of stuff. So post what you think doesn’t fit into one of the more specific categories, just try your best to put it in the right place.
Some people get mad but for the most part all these people are pretty nice. This is a good place to look for most basic info.


Can anyone direct me to where there IS a place specifically for the newbie questions ? Because I don't see one.

Jintes reply makes a lot of sense to me - worded differently than I would have worded it , but yes it would

Quote:
answers questions and sh*t, getting all the dead horse questions out of =10 and stopping the troll-defenders from guilt tripping those of us who are sick of the questions and can't take them seriously.


Genuine questions would have a chance of getting answered, trolls that like to post pretending to be new wont get the satisfaction of a rise, and, even better, the FFXI general forum would be largely more interesting to read.

Another option would simply be for the guides area to be more visible on the site - there are some excellent guides on the site, including several on the traditional newb questions of farming,levelling, questing, fame and other things. :)
#14 Feb 14 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
is Happy on Friday!
Avatar
*****
12,448 posts
I'm just gonna get off my lazy *** and make a newbie help guide. since i'm here often enough i can keep it updated and ****, and it gives me immunity from troll defending Guilt trippers.
____________________________
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!

Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#15 Feb 14 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
Spankatorium Administratix
*****
1oooo posts
Professor Jinte wrote:
I'm just gonna get off my lazy *** and make a newbie help guide. since i'm here often enough i can keep it updated and sh*t, and it gives me immunity from troll defending Guilt trippers.


YAY!
____________________________

#16 Feb 14 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
is Happy on Friday!
Avatar
*****
12,448 posts
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Professor Jinte wrote:
I'm just gonna get off my lazy *** and make a newbie help guide. since i'm here often enough i can keep it updated and sh*t, and it gives me immunity from troll defending Guilt trippers.


YAY!


It's started

now i just need to get cooperation from =10... lol
____________________________
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!

Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 101 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (101)