Too all Windower users..Follow

This is about windower about being a hack and not about your use. I don't care if you don't use it for "cheating" purposes. Many others do.

You know what the best part of that GM convo was? How much total BS that GM was talkiing. Claiming to be able to see features that are running thru Windower

Basically, while Windower is a 3rd party program, and SE percieves it as a violation of their ToS, there's absolutely no way they can detect it's use without the user admitting to SE that they are using it...that is of course assuming SE isn't trying to gather 'private' information off our computers as we play (thinks back to Blizzard's fiasco over Battle.net), which of course would require breaking many laws just to see if we're able to check each other's TP

siremOO:

Did I say I couldn't afford it? No not really, what I said was why would I get a new PS2 which to my knowledge I would have to import from the US and import another copy of the game for the PS2 resulting in another set of cd-keys that I don't need nor want when I already have a PS2 right here that works just fine and is never occupied by anyone but myself, which is what you people claim to be the problem with using the comp you have at home. If the ONLY computer you have at home is constantly occupied then I seriously suggest you get your own. Really, it's not like you need some kind of monster machine just to Internet Explorer or Firefox/whatever you use now is it?


If you don't want to get another comp that you can use whenever you want then here's another solution. If someone's at the ONLY comp you have in the house then the solution is simple. Chase them off and do what you need to do. Really complicated right? If you can't manage to get rid of them well, tough luck. Like I said, it's not my problem. We PC users have something that works and you people can't stand it. And quite frankly, I find that hilarious.



I see you're trying to be a smartass, unfortunately simply editing something I've said with something that might seem funny in your undeveloped mind isn't a very good way to accomplish this.

To Balgarath:



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Then why make it about my use if that's not what it's about? Contradicting yourself is fun isn't it?

Yeah right, I'm going to log off eeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvery single time I need to check something. Please, what if I should happen to log out to check something(takes 30 secs just to log out mind you), and then when I log back in I realize I forgot to check something else. Just because you don't have better ways to spend your time don't assume I don't either.

Ok, FFXI was made a certain way for a reason. SE doesn't want people to see other peoples' TP. That's why they made you not able to see it. FFXI wasn't made for you to be able to see other peoples' TP, deal with it.
Windowers, in my opinion, ARE "cheat programs".
Windowers are a way for you to do something that SE did not intend for you to be able to do. When FFXI was made, they didn't want you to be able to see other peoples' TP, and buying a program that lets you do something that FFXI did NOT intend for you to do is "cheating". Also, it DOES give you an unfair advantage against other people who play on PS2, and that is wrong. I can't see your TP, but you, in a way that goes against FFXI's rules, can see mine? That hardly seems fair.

Thank you for reading my post, and to all windowers users,
you know it's illegal, so just stop doing it. If you didn't know before, you do now, you don't have any excuses. It may seem stupid to you, but it is highly logical, and if SE finds out, I am sure they won't cut you any slack. So just get rid of the windowers, and just play fairly. You have an unfair advantage, whether it may seem stupid to you or not.

IMO, Windower itself isn't a bad thing at all, it just give another option for PC players to do other things while playing FFXI. The only thing that's probably not welcomed by SE is the new plugin which shows TP and other stuff of your alliance. It was part of SE's intention to hiding them from you to make the game more difficult. Also the plugin gave more advantage to PC than PS2 player as well the upcoming release of Xbox360. What do you think it will make those game-console players feel when PC seems have more advantage? People will think getting PC version is better. It won't be a good buisness for SE on the upcoming release of Xbox360 version if clearly PC version has more advantage, don't you think?

You can't blame SE to do something about it since the plugin trying to break the fair gaming between PC version and PS2/Xbox360 version. It will only lead to PS2/Xbox360 players demand the samething PC version can have. If they allow you to use it, then their intention of hiding the status between players will be nonexistant. Hell, why don't people make a plugin which it will show all the status effect on your PT members( Such as paralyze and slow.) It will make verything so easy,it will be just like WoW.

Also what do you people really want? There are people claimed that they love FFXI because it's difficulty and It's a challenging game. Sometimes blaming SE doesn't release more challenging activities in the game. Yet, you tried to seek out every possibilties to break those difficulties that SE intended to build into the game and make an easier job for you. It's like you choose Hard Mode in a game. The hard mode will only give you 10 bullets to start with but then you seek out every possible cheats to make it 99 bullets so it can be easier. It's rather pathetic to me that what you people really want sometimes? If you want an easy game, why not go play WoW?

To me, Windower is OK, Plugin is not OK. But that's just my opinions.

Sooo am I not allowed to have a dual pc/screen set up?
hell i have one.. so when im playing i can mess around on my other pc at the same time? oooh gosh ban me.



I do not have that plugin, or want it, but, what is the TP macro for? is that cheating?



I have my PS2 also on my desk.. is that unfair?



it seems that the TOS would then ban everyone from useing a multi PC/PS2/linux/ECTworkstation. It does not.
If it is then damn im a horrible person. =p



Edited, Sat Jul 9 07:29:26 2005 by JessiyK

the best way to put this is:

we b*tch and complain about the botters and other people using 3rd party programs to get an advantage, that they start working on getting rid of them, for the most part. so SE, doing what they should do, cracks down on ALL 3rd Party programs.

you can't have it both ways, you can't say you want the botters gone, then whine that the windower is a good thing.

i personally hope SE finds a way to kill the windower for good, yes i do use it out of pure spite for SE. but if they're cracking down on all third parties, then it's for the better.

just a tip for those who are complaining about 8 hour waits in jeuno:
Do sit ups, run in place, to push ups, crunches.
read, draw, if you have school, do your homework in that time.

JessyK, I wasn't talking about Windowers themselves, I am sorry I should have specified that I meant the plugin that lets you do things like see other peoples' tp and stuff like that. And, Tp macros were made so people can show other party members their TP, if they WANT to.
It isn't fair for anyone to be able to see information that you might not want them to see.