Is it wrong to expect a RDM or BRD in party post 55?Follow

Well on the rdm thing, I think I will rant.
It is not wrong to hope for a rdm or brd, however most of the time theres only like 3 rdms who are already in a pt and 1 jp brd that refuses to pt. Ya know what sucks about that? the mages whm, blm, smn refuse to pt until one of rdms or brds frees up. So the mages hold pts back for a rdm that may or might not show up. Ive waited in a pt for over an hour waiting for a friggin rdm or brd to show up to then have the tank say "***** this" leave and then the mage that insisted on waiting on a friggin rdm or brd decide to leave. Straight out thats wrong. I know a rdm or brd is great but the reality is that if there are 3 rdm and 1 brd for 11 pts 7 of those pts will not be pting because the mages dont want to pt. And thats fine because its their choice. But if u decide to join a pt be aware that you might not get a rdm or a brd. Dont make a pt wait an hour and a half waiting on a rdm or brd that MIGHT log on. Suck it up and part with some gil for some juice. That or dont friggin pt. Hell or dont accept an invite until they have rdm.

Sorry for the rant but it **** me off when 4 other ppl have to wait an hour because the mage cant god forbid have their crack dealer. No crack dealer usually means no whm.

PTs don't need RDM or BRD, but they will have to compensate somehow. For instance, the WHM should have a vermillion cloak, SMN sub, and drink yagudo drinks/juices (synthing them on the spot)

A PT with PLD as main tank will have much more downtime without RDM/BRD, hence you go with NIN.

I would have to agree. It's not SE's fault people grew that they feel they need a Rdm or Brd in order to get good exp. That's what foods are for.

It's the same thing as when you go into a high level area and you need a Whm or Rdm to sneak/Invis you, instead of coming prepared and bring a stack of powders and oils.

I a way Juices can stack. I feel that every WHM/BLM/SMN/RDM that wants to reduce any MP regen concerns should level their cooking to at least 30.

Pinapple Juice (30)
Water Crystal
Kazham Pineapple x2

1MP/sec for 4 minutes = 80MP

I carry around the raw materials for making Juices when I level my WHM. It cuts down on waiting on MP time, thus making the party move a bit faster.

Every ten levels in cooking there's a juice. Even if its just orange juice(level 10 synth) its better than nothing. I usually carry the stuff to make juices for my pt members considering most juice ingriedients(sp?) are fairly cheap anyway if you know where to go.

Yes, but let's remember that these jobs do offer other useful services to a party besides being Refresh/Ballad whores.

Well the "refresh *****" is kinds the flipside of all those nice invites. Yes, I agree, RDMs and BRDs are capable of bringing a lot more to a party than just Refresh. However, I'm struggling to think of anything else they can do that is a: deemed "necessary" to get exp by certain players and b: cannot be done by another job.

It's the Refresh capabilities that give them that jump from "handy" to "indispensible" let's be honest here.

RdmKelton: As sad as it may sound, yes.

Currently i'm leveling up rdm (25 in kazham) and unless there are no blm/whm/smn seeking, i'm not usually going to get a party. I imagine things will get a little bit better once i get Dispel, but until then i'm just blank space and praying until the time i get refresh. BRD's are lucky they get ballade at 25. =(

Edited, Tue Jul 12 13:32:59 2005 by KamakazeKat

As a former Red Mage, I must agree with the above poster. Myself, as a Ranger now, i find it is not so much a RDMs refresh capabilities I miss most when one is not present, but rather, the enfeebles, and the dispels. Lets be honest. Everyone tends to fight things in this game that, all things considered, are not really that dangerous. Crabs and beetles, crabs and beetles, toss in a crawler or two, lather, rinse, repeat. Without dispel, said mobs constantly raise their defenese and or evasion, making it take that much longer for the party to bring them down, there by making the mages and PLD (if applicable) spend even more of their MP per fight. Now, several posters mentioned mages using juices. You know what? I totally agree with that. BUT, in 56 levels as a ranger, i have yet to see a single mage use such items. The current trends i see are people trying to level their jobs on the cheap (example: rangers with level 12 NIN subs and beetle arrows post 50, mentioned in a previous thread.)

Ah hell, I've gone and started ranting again! >.< /end rant

Ack, well slap me around and call me a taru, I have gone and become one of "them." The above poster has me by the balls so to speak. I myself gave up RDM over many of the issues RDMs deal with. For me it was how parties tend to make the RDM the scapegoat whenever something goes wrong. The WHM sets off his benediction macro on accident, some how its the RDMs fault. The PLD is refreshed, but blows all his MP on banish spells, its the RDMs fault. The BLM decides to start the fight with Quake and dies, uh-oh, RDMs fault SOME HOW. I finally snapped and said to hell with it. Now i am a Ranger, arguably the damage dealing job that gets it butt kissed the most. I guess I have become jaded from both being a ranger, and from how when i was a RDM, there was an excess of us on the server at the time. *shrugs* sorry for ********

Had this happen a couple days ago, actually. Had a WHM (who eventually left), RDM, DRG, DRK and BLM...just waiting around looking for a tank. Finally got ahold of a NIN that refused to level with a WHM, and would only XP with a BRD. So then we had to find a BRD. Glad I knew one at that level range that was looking to XP.

Simply put with a good pt filled with people willing to spend a little extra gil RDM and/or BRD are not needed to xp ever. Heck pre 32 but mostly 41 a RDM isn't wanted in pts, pre 25 a BRD is brought on for buffs >.> so not an mp ***** there even post 25 they aren't really brought on as a "Refresh requirement since they give a whopping 1mp/tic they are still there to make the pt members better with buffs.

Since it was commented post 55 I will only include my comments to 55+ about this comment:



1) Refresh - Um ya Juice >.> /SMN
2) Dispel - against a beetle? got a SMN with fenrir Lunar Cry cancels evasion buffs. Crawlers? Acid bolts Add Effect cancels Cacoon. that's about all i can really think of that i cared about being dispeled. Oh Shell, ok i'll give you that one since i think its stupid to use fenrir dispel. 64+ who cares get a /rdm the resist rate isn't that high if ever.
3) Enfeebles - Ok lets see what job really needs a mob to be enfeebed to function far better? Oh ya NIN well hmmm they can do it themselves o.O wow guess what i've seen good NINs land spells better than a RDM even at 70. Oh don't have a NIN tank ok well hey WHM and BLM both have AF with Enfeeble+10 to help out aside from having a higher base stat in the corresponding stat.
4) Convert - Um ya i've never seen a good RDM need to use this outside of being brought on as a support+nuker, and even then better RDMs that i know can still go without it. And then you know you could actually med mid battle like a WHM or BLM would do when they aren't needed drastically.
5) Chainspell - Um ya ok so you can Chainspell to Escape other than that i have yet to see a point to this in xp outside of your own personal fun/
6) Fast Cast - Um ya I don't think people care if you get a spell out 10-30% faster, i don't.
7) Clear Mind - your MP should never be a problem of the rest of the party considering you use the least typically(baring a WHM with a NIN tank)
8) Magic Attack Up - If i really wanted to rely on this i'de get a BLM or a NIN/BLM.
9) Fast Cast - I'm guess this was a typo so check #5.

Can't XP without a PLD or NIN? um you ever seen a MNK or WAR tank VTs?

Well my time is up so off i go, no 1 job in the game is needed to get good xp people just have to be willing to adjust to a given situation.

Actually, the lack of a WHM came back to bite him on the *** when a goblin bomb one-shotted his *** and he had to eat an R1, because that's all we had in the party.