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Rage, of course I don't agree with 50% because he simply deserves back the entire product. Must be really difficult for you to understand -.-;
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Something happened 2 hours ago that just enrages me, my friend Sharpshooter(Good honest player) accidently put his SH+1 in his bazaar in Bastok for 15,000 instead of 15,000,00 and was purchased by Terrestrialrage. I know this was completely his fault but throw him a bone it could be a simple mistake and people make mistakes.
Terrestrialrage's attitude towards Sharpshooter was just the icing on the cake. Im not whining or complaining in any way just filling in on the story. All im asking for is you to take this into consideration, i just want this to make it a known about what he did. React to it how you want to react say "Its his own damn fault" or "Terrestrialrage should have acted differently". We have a bad player alert thread but after posting on this site for a year and 1/2 i think i deserve one post of my own.
Just please think about what he did before inviting him to something, i know Bismarck will take this into consideration. I know for myself i will never invite him into anything im involved in and give him a few pets to play with. Thank you for listening to my /rant and please remember we are entitled to our own opinions so no flaming.
Terrestrialrage's attitude towards Sharpshooter was just the icing on the cake. Im not whining or complaining in any way just filling in on the story. All im asking for is you to take this into consideration, i just want this to make it a known about what he did. React to it how you want to react say "Its his own damn fault" or "Terrestrialrage should have acted differently". We have a bad player alert thread but after posting on this site for a year and 1/2 i think i deserve one post of my own.
Just please think about what he did before inviting him to something, i know Bismarck will take this into consideration. I know for myself i will never invite him into anything im involved in and give him a few pets to play with. Thank you for listening to my /rant and please remember we are entitled to our own opinions so no flaming.
I decided to quote Mosh's original post since for some reason everyone is saying "All Mosh was doing was posting in an effort to get SS's SH+1 back." <cough> BULLSH*T <cough>
Ok so like Souix so eloquently put it in her post (Rate up by the way) This is not an issue of right Vs. wrong this is an issue of ethics. Did Teres do the wrong thing by seeing a SH+1 in someones bazzar and going "Holy **** is this guy quitting or is he just a complete ******?" <Teres clicks yes to buying> Should Teres give back this item? HELL NO! he bought it fair and square him buying it does not make him a jerk nor does his refusal to return something he bought make him lacking in any morals what so ever.
Does the fact that SS still put his SH+1 up for sale for 15k after going through two confermation windows make SS an idiot? Yep sure does. Now I don't know what drug SS was on when he set up his bazzar or if he was just plain tired. But guess what suck it up chum I bet you are gonna pay a whole hell of a lot more attention to how much you put your items up for auction in the future.
Had I done something so completely stupid myself I sure would suck it up and if I find a bazzar with a 15 million gill Item in it for 15 thousand I sure as hell am gonna snatch that up plus send tells to the jack *** who sold it for being so damn dumb.
Now back to all asshats who are getting all whiney to the people who have posted claiming Mosh had no other intentions than to get this Item returned to a good friend. I as I have said have reposted mosh;s innocent little post and Have highlighted for you asshats the parts in which Mosh asked the people of bismarck to never invite Teres to anything ever again. I also took the liberty of highlighting the parts where he let everyone know that he had plans to MPK Teres for nothing that even concerns him in any way. There you go Nice bold and large my gift to you. You MPK supporting scum bag bastards. You wanna talk about lack of morals...
Oh yeah real Karma I care about, the karma on here is fake and without honor so rate me down to Zero.
P.S Have a wonderfull day XD
Heh look's like you all are in one big pot of drama.
Cmon now, have fun it's a game you're supposed to enjoy it.
Here you all are fighting over a scorp harness that was put up for a price I don't know the detail's but you are all fighting like kid's and pointing finger's and bringing people in the fight on forum's is not the way to solve this you guy's want to solve it keep it in the game off the forum's no one want's to be sucked in you're drama pool thank you.
Cmon now, have fun it's a game you're supposed to enjoy it.
Here you all are fighting over a scorp harness that was put up for a price I don't know the detail's but you are all fighting like kid's and pointing finger's and bringing people in the fight on forum's is not the way to solve this you guy's want to solve it keep it in the game off the forum's no one want's to be sucked in you're drama pool thank you.
Wife: Akirah
Awe C'mon Big Z it's so much fun to talk sh*t to these asshats =P
Ok, I responded to a thread I normally wouldn't have, got the whole rate-down without explanation (which was fun, first time for me since I don't post here much), and here's my final say on things.
First of all, I don't know anyone directly involved here, and I guess I don't understand a lot of the dynamics involved. I mean, yes, it's crappy to tell someone's girlfriend that he's cheating on her, but I don't get why someone's girlfriend would actually listen if someone from a video game told them that. So maybe I'm just out of touch there.
I see where Sioux is coming from, but for me it comes down to this: It's a game. Even in real life, there's a fine line between what is acceptable (most people would consider buying a $200 item at a garage sale for $5 acceptable because you were smarter than they were in knowing the value) and what isn't (most people would also consider Ken Lay and the other people at Enron downright bastards for what they did). For something I do for fun, I don't plan on getting into big moral and ethical discussions. Personally, I wouldn't have done what TR did. Please rate me down for that again if you don't like that.
The biggest mistake SE might've made is that there is no real PvP aspect of FFXI. Supposedly, we're all friends and trying to help each other. That goes about as far as any single person's interest goes, and so we try to find new ways of ******** each other over instead of the traditional method of just killing them.
First of all, I don't know anyone directly involved here, and I guess I don't understand a lot of the dynamics involved. I mean, yes, it's crappy to tell someone's girlfriend that he's cheating on her, but I don't get why someone's girlfriend would actually listen if someone from a video game told them that. So maybe I'm just out of touch there.
I see where Sioux is coming from, but for me it comes down to this: It's a game. Even in real life, there's a fine line between what is acceptable (most people would consider buying a $200 item at a garage sale for $5 acceptable because you were smarter than they were in knowing the value) and what isn't (most people would also consider Ken Lay and the other people at Enron downright bastards for what they did). For something I do for fun, I don't plan on getting into big moral and ethical discussions. Personally, I wouldn't have done what TR did. Please rate me down for that again if you don't like that.
The biggest mistake SE might've made is that there is no real PvP aspect of FFXI. Supposedly, we're all friends and trying to help each other. That goes about as far as any single person's interest goes, and so we try to find new ways of ******** each other over instead of the traditional method of just killing them.
Thanks for everyone that stood up for the right cause.
I have three stacks of Kinder Seals and i can call out V.claw on them all in a BLM circle and hopefully get lucky for sharpshooter.
Edited, Mon Aug 1 11:07:10 2005 by Moshiiii
I have three stacks of Kinder Seals and i can call out V.claw on them all in a BLM circle and hopefully get lucky for sharpshooter.
Edited, Mon Aug 1 11:07:10 2005 by Moshiiii
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This is just sad...... I rarely check these boards cause i always stayed out of peoples drama but...
RAGE- Good for you i would have kept it to.
Sharpshooter- mistake? if you've reached the point were you have a SH+1 you dont make those types of mistakes so to bad for you.
Mosh- quit stirring up drama.
Its crap like this that has made me more than happy to quit this game after almost 2 years of playing.
Have fun :D
RAGE- Good for you i would have kept it to.
Sharpshooter- mistake? if you've reached the point were you have a SH+1 you dont make those types of mistakes so to bad for you.
Mosh- quit stirring up drama.
Its crap like this that has made me more than happy to quit this game after almost 2 years of playing.
Have fun :D
Aishaclanclan
I dont know who you are but its nice to know that you dont even play. You obviously dont know me so you have no room to say i need to stop stirring druama.
Ive been posting on this site for a long long time, All my posts have been about helping people out, joking arround and especially helping in the Beastmaster forums. Ive never stuck my nose into any druama threads.
I was trying to help a friend out.
PS: Looking at your broke *** Warrior i understand why you would have taken the SH.
Edited, Mon Aug 1 13:41:38 2005 by Moshiiii
I dont know who you are but its nice to know that you dont even play. You obviously dont know me so you have no room to say i need to stop stirring druama.
Ive been posting on this site for a long long time, All my posts have been about helping people out, joking arround and especially helping in the Beastmaster forums. Ive never stuck my nose into any druama threads.
I was trying to help a friend out.
PS: Looking at your broke *** Warrior i understand why you would have taken the SH.
Edited, Mon Aug 1 13:41:38 2005 by Moshiiii
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my broke *** warrior ROFL thats funny granted i didnt have a juggernaut but everything else i had was top of the line sorry if my life doesnt consist of updating my alla profile every 30 minutes.
Everyone that knew me ingame knows that i was more than willing to help someone out when ever they asked. I was also very respectful to everyone even those who didnt deserve it.
As for the drama ive seen it all from when meren had his account hacked to all the way back in the day when killu and his little horde of retards were all Noobs running around the dunes for the first time. That last little P.S. you added just proved my point about why i quit the game.
There has been plenty of times in the game were I have made mistakes and miss priced items or overpaid on items drastically but you know what?....I chalked it up to a learning experiance and left it at that, i didnt blame the person who bought it or sold it to me.
Inconclusion no i dont blame rage for keeping it. same goes for the people who bought sheihi for 6k-8k apiece in jeuno from a mule (Yes a good friend of mine lost 2.8 mil on that scam) Once you reach jeuno you should know how bazaars work and if you dont or you mess up and price something wrong then shame on you.
Its nice you tried to help a friend out but you shouldnt slam someone for not returning the item that he bought fair and square.
Said my piece (Not that it matters because people are still going to cry about it)
Thanks for the time
Aisha.
P.S. to all my old Aurora/Eclipse/A*I people I love ya and remember its just a game you should have alittle fun while you play it :P
Everyone that knew me ingame knows that i was more than willing to help someone out when ever they asked. I was also very respectful to everyone even those who didnt deserve it.
As for the drama ive seen it all from when meren had his account hacked to all the way back in the day when killu and his little horde of retards were all Noobs running around the dunes for the first time. That last little P.S. you added just proved my point about why i quit the game.
There has been plenty of times in the game were I have made mistakes and miss priced items or overpaid on items drastically but you know what?....I chalked it up to a learning experiance and left it at that, i didnt blame the person who bought it or sold it to me.
Inconclusion no i dont blame rage for keeping it. same goes for the people who bought sheihi for 6k-8k apiece in jeuno from a mule (Yes a good friend of mine lost 2.8 mil on that scam) Once you reach jeuno you should know how bazaars work and if you dont or you mess up and price something wrong then shame on you.
Its nice you tried to help a friend out but you shouldnt slam someone for not returning the item that he bought fair and square.
Said my piece (Not that it matters because people are still going to cry about it)
Thanks for the time
Aisha.
P.S. to all my old Aurora/Eclipse/A*I people I love ya and remember its just a game you should have alittle fun while you play it :P
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..and we all know bashing people is really going to help your friend get back what he wanted. What I want to know is if supposedly you saw a SH+1 in a bazaar would you have bought it mosh? I don't know you but I think anyone would, now returning it if they ask is a different story.
Aishafishfish wrote:
my broke *** warrior ROFL thats funny granted i didnt have a juggernaut but everything else i had was top of the line sorry if my life doesnt consist of updating my alla profile every 30 minutes.
My profile is very very oudated.
Im not bashing anyone, she came in her swinging so i swung back.
I would have bought it thinking maybe someone is quitting the game and doesnt care (Ive seen Errant gear for 1gil in Bazaar). If i got a /tell saying it was a mistake i would have returned it. A long time ago someone bidded 2million on my stack of Iron Ignots. I was a newb back then and 20k to me was alot, i returned every last gil that was over the current AH price.
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I have 30 kindred seals as well, using them for Sharpy's claw.
I noticed rage was the first person to bring jigga,elisa, and lacy into this thread. I'm friends with all 3. Rage is looking for any excuse to not return it.
I see no difference between what rage did and people that scam people. The it is just a game excuse is a poor one also. If you are willing to do it for something meaningless you would do a lot worse of something that mattered. If irl you were to hand someone a $20 when you meant to give them a $5, and they said sorry you made the mistake it is mine, it would be about the same thing as this.
The everyone would do it excuse is weak too. Everyone wouldn't do it there are decent people in the world and saying that means you know it is wrong.
I see no difference between what rage did and people that scam people. The it is just a game excuse is a poor one also. If you are willing to do it for something meaningless you would do a lot worse of something that mattered. If irl you were to hand someone a $20 when you meant to give them a $5, and they said sorry you made the mistake it is mine, it would be about the same thing as this.
The everyone would do it excuse is weak too. Everyone wouldn't do it there are decent people in the world and saying that means you know it is wrong.
I know if I made a mistake and lost out on 15mil, I would be
pissed. And if the roles were reversed, I would have given
the Harness back. Its the decent thing to do.
Half the people who said "He bought it fair and square" would
prolly sound like that kid that got his Cloudsong stolen if it
was him who made the mistake.
>> Cloudsong
I met Sharpshooter once, and he was a nice guy.
I used to see Terrestrial on Moonpie's LS now and then. Seemed
like a nice guy, but now I dont think so. Not like you care,
nor do I.
pissed. And if the roles were reversed, I would have given
the Harness back. Its the decent thing to do.
Half the people who said "He bought it fair and square" would
prolly sound like that kid that got his Cloudsong stolen if it
was him who made the mistake.
>> Cloudsong
I met Sharpshooter once, and he was a nice guy.
I used to see Terrestrial on Moonpie's LS now and then. Seemed
like a nice guy, but now I dont think so. Not like you care,
nor do I.
What a surprise response by Rick, can't say that I am shocked. I think the real shock would be if he posted he was giving it back. That would have left me speechless.
This extreme case of douchebaggery is just bleh
As far as bringing Elisa into this if these people knew how ******
you treated her from the get go and if this was about how ****** you were to women in general I'm sure public opinion would be differant the mob is fickle.
I may have been reading all sideways again, but I didn't see where Mosh asked us to somehow force Rage to give the item back, or recover it for Sharp.
anybody who knows anything about reading beyond the lines would have been able to tell that Mosh was not just posting because he/she likes to see their thoughts on wordpad or even on this website.
Thank you for the lecture Zander, but no thank you. -_-
As Mosh said, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion
That wasn't a lecture I was merely expressing MY opinion which was disgust for almost everyone playing FFXI, a game that relies heavily on community (the players) to function, yet have no sense of what exactly MMORPG means.
Seriously with that mentality why not go solo your way to Lv75 (which beastmasters can already do) or complete all your rank missions solo. That would really shut me up.
o the situation is different for me? Im the only one that has wronged here? You werent wrong bringing Lacy into it?
And no, i dont care what people who dislike me think, aka you, Hawky, and Zander. Whatever all of your personal vendettas against me are, lets not sort them out here, alright?
you brought her into this and maybe you should reread my post where I said I don't play anymore. As far as trying to talk to you about my supposed "personal vendetta" against you.
I tried that before I quit you wouldn't have any of it, and then you tried telling someone who will remain nameless that I was supposedly saying things about them that weren't true, typical.
Thus your response and your handling of this matter like I said doesn't even surprise me. Kids will be kids huh?
Edited, Mon Aug 1 20:06:37 2005 by ZanderBismarck
This extreme case of douchebaggery is just bleh
As far as bringing Elisa into this if these people knew how ******
you treated her from the get go and if this was about how ****** you were to women in general I'm sure public opinion would be differant the mob is fickle.
sioux wrote:
I may have been reading all sideways again, but I didn't see where Mosh asked us to somehow force Rage to give the item back, or recover it for Sharp.
anybody who knows anything about reading beyond the lines would have been able to tell that Mosh was not just posting because he/she likes to see their thoughts on wordpad or even on this website.
sioux wrote:
Thank you for the lecture Zander, but no thank you. -_-
As Mosh said, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion
That wasn't a lecture I was merely expressing MY opinion which was disgust for almost everyone playing FFXI, a game that relies heavily on community (the players) to function, yet have no sense of what exactly MMORPG means.
Seriously with that mentality why not go solo your way to Lv75 (which beastmasters can already do) or complete all your rank missions solo. That would really shut me up.
terrestrialrage wrote:
o the situation is different for me? Im the only one that has wronged here? You werent wrong bringing Lacy into it?
And no, i dont care what people who dislike me think, aka you, Hawky, and Zander. Whatever all of your personal vendettas against me are, lets not sort them out here, alright?
you brought her into this and maybe you should reread my post where I said I don't play anymore. As far as trying to talk to you about my supposed "personal vendetta" against you.
I tried that before I quit you wouldn't have any of it, and then you tried telling someone who will remain nameless that I was supposedly saying things about them that weren't true, typical.
Thus your response and your handling of this matter like I said doesn't even surprise me. Kids will be kids huh?
Edited, Mon Aug 1 20:06:37 2005 by ZanderBismarck
Okay I know I quit and I probably shouldn't be posting, but I need to say my peace.
I know TR from being in a couple of his linkshells and being able to talk to him in one of his LS's for quite some time. I have also had the pleasure of meeting SS via LS. All I can tell you is that yes TR was an *** to me quite often, but he did help me out at times (he helped me do a couple of AF for MNK), but in all fairness instead of trying to be high and mighty and being a good person I was usually an *** back to him. In my frame of mind TR is an assh*le and this does sound like something he would do.
I know if it were me and someone sent me a /tell saying it was a mistake I would give it back. Sorry that I have some sympathy, but I would do the same if something in real life happened. Say I were at the store and the clerk handed me back a 100 instead of a 10, yeah I would point out the mistake... sorry my parents raised me with a little morals and mores.
But I am also going to say it was pretty assholish of whomever did this, but bringing Lacy into the whole ordeal (Lacy has been and still is a friend to me) is outright wrong.
Yes TR not giving the item back was wrong in my opinion. But refering to Mosh's origional post, trying to chastise someone for being a d*ck and taking advantage of someone else's own ignorance is going a little out of the way.
In all, they are both in the wrong in my eyes.
I know TR from being in a couple of his linkshells and being able to talk to him in one of his LS's for quite some time. I have also had the pleasure of meeting SS via LS. All I can tell you is that yes TR was an *** to me quite often, but he did help me out at times (he helped me do a couple of AF for MNK), but in all fairness instead of trying to be high and mighty and being a good person I was usually an *** back to him. In my frame of mind TR is an assh*le and this does sound like something he would do.
I know if it were me and someone sent me a /tell saying it was a mistake I would give it back. Sorry that I have some sympathy, but I would do the same if something in real life happened. Say I were at the store and the clerk handed me back a 100 instead of a 10, yeah I would point out the mistake... sorry my parents raised me with a little morals and mores.
But I am also going to say it was pretty assholish of whomever did this, but bringing Lacy into the whole ordeal (Lacy has been and still is a friend to me) is outright wrong.
Yes TR not giving the item back was wrong in my opinion. But refering to Mosh's origional post, trying to chastise someone for being a d*ck and taking advantage of someone else's own ignorance is going a little out of the way.
In all, they are both in the wrong in my eyes.
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That wasn't a lecture I was merely expressing MY opinion which was disgust for almost everyone playing FFXI(??), a game that relies heavily on community (the players) to function, yet have no sense of what exactly MMORPG means.
Seriously with that mentality why not go solo your way to Lv75 (which beastmasters can already do) or complete all your rank missions solo. That would really shut me up.
Who's trying to shut you up? Everyone's entitlement to his/her own opinion was Mosh's words, and I agree. Whether you shut up or not is immaterial to me.
And what 'mentality' are you talking about? I've never had a problem getting along with other players, and part of the reason is that I have a good understanding of fairness. Part of fairness is not throwing myself into arguments between other people, especially when
1) there isn't really anything I can do
2) I wasn't directly involved to begin with
3) I don't think there's solid moral ground to get involved, especially with the resources available to me.
What exactly are we all supposed to be doing? Standing around in Jeuno and screaming insults about Rage? How much is that *really* going to do, and does that right the wrong? Does that mean I've fulfilled my 'moral' duty?
The one and only person on the server that can correct the situation is TerrestrialRage.
If you want to talk down to someone, I'd suggest you begin there, if you feel you must.
I like you Zander, I always did (I still have the Hi-Reraiser you gave me ages ago, saving it for Promys), but this is uncool.
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From Trizzoro:
"Everytime I camp something like Argus or anything and this Sharpshooter Taru dude is there....
He wears me out. He is one of those types that spams you with tells and checks you over and over to distract you (I guess). You all know the type. Hell, he was so annoying I thought he was a gilseller at first, then I realized maybe he just thought being a super annoying little dude gave him some kind of advantage.
Point, is...I really have no point other than this kid ain't exactly Mr. Manners either, so ***** him and his mistake. Keep the Harness."
You are so wrong here, if he bothers you so much just /blist him and about the /check thing, well... um, there is this thing called filters, just FYI.
About all this, I think SS is a cool guy and he being scrwed really upsets me, TR not giving him back the SH is not the right thing to do, but he is in his right to keep it, thats a fact, like it or not, I for one hate that fact, but i cant do poo about it, anyways, idk if u guys have noticed but SS didnt say nothing about this, he is takin this as TARU, he knows it was his mistake, yet it hurts. Also, i'd like to say that ppl /telling TR things about his GF or w/e its just out of the issue, should never had happend.
TR i dont know you, yet ppl say you are helpfull and nice person, I am asking you to prove wrong all this ppl here saying otherwise and please, give SS the SH you bought off him and ask him for your gil back, i know the bismarck comunity will think really high of you if you do.
"Everytime I camp something like Argus or anything and this Sharpshooter Taru dude is there....
He wears me out. He is one of those types that spams you with tells and checks you over and over to distract you (I guess). You all know the type. Hell, he was so annoying I thought he was a gilseller at first, then I realized maybe he just thought being a super annoying little dude gave him some kind of advantage.
Point, is...I really have no point other than this kid ain't exactly Mr. Manners either, so ***** him and his mistake. Keep the Harness."
You are so wrong here, if he bothers you so much just /blist him and about the /check thing, well... um, there is this thing called filters, just FYI.
About all this, I think SS is a cool guy and he being scrwed really upsets me, TR not giving him back the SH is not the right thing to do, but he is in his right to keep it, thats a fact, like it or not, I for one hate that fact, but i cant do poo about it, anyways, idk if u guys have noticed but SS didnt say nothing about this, he is takin this as TARU, he knows it was his mistake, yet it hurts. Also, i'd like to say that ppl /telling TR things about his GF or w/e its just out of the issue, should never had happend.
TR i dont know you, yet ppl say you are helpfull and nice person, I am asking you to prove wrong all this ppl here saying otherwise and please, give SS the SH you bought off him and ask him for your gil back, i know the bismarck comunity will think really high of you if you do.
Haduken Tarutaru 70THF/BRD70/37NIN/37WHM/32BLM/28RNG/29RDM/28DRK/15BST/14WAR/MNK7
Server: Bismarck
LS: CodeRed/Alumina
RETIRED!!! finally... now playing MTGO/DiabloII XD
Server: Bismarck
LS: CodeRed/Alumina
RETIRED!!! finally... now playing MTGO/DiabloII XD
W/e Hadu, just because you like him doesn't make his actions less annoying to others. I shouldn't have to adjust my filters for every **** who decides to be annoying.
IM not gonna comment on the character of either participant in this debacle as I personally know neither of the people involved. I will just make general statements regaurding how I feel about the situation and how I veiw it.
If I had bought the item I would have returned it.Its a simple matter of decency. No more complexity than that is neccessary. You can talk about morals and business ethic all day long but that doesnt change the fact that the person buying the S.Harness knew they were taking advantage of the person who sold it from the time they received their first /tell. {FACT}.
I saw an analogy about a garage sale and a chair. I feel that example didnt fully do justice to the entire situation. Firstly lets get are math ratio straight. The kind of error that we are talking about isnt a $20 vs $200 mistake.Its a $20 vs $20,000 mistake. Also your example doesnt imply forknowledge on the part of the buyer. So...if I went to a garage sale and saw a $20,000 dollar chair on display for $20 (and I knew it was worth 20k) would I give it back when they called...yeah prolly id keep a little something for my trouble, but it would be returned.
Offering back 50% of the value is a worse slap in the face than not giveing back anything.Its like saying "Yes, I am aware that I am wrong, but im gonna steal 7.5 million from you and you had better SMILE and be GRATEFUL or ill steal 15mil. Have a nice day".
I think a more fitting analogy for this situation would be the early Americans taking land from the indians for a very minute fraction of what is was worth (Knowing the whole time that they were getting over on them), and then offering up land reservations to them later as an act of goodwill.
To make a long story short, either give the man back his money or dont, but dont try and make taking 7.5 million gil from an unwitting individual seem like an act of goodwill. It is fully within the realms of the person who purchased this item to correct this situation, if they choose not to then thats on them. But, they and ALL of us know that it is wrong. This person wasnt trying to undercut and get an item sold. We hear stories like this every day, but they usually involve a nice player and a scam artist. You wanna act like a scam artist? Then so be it.
Thanks
Gob
P.S. @ TS sorry that people decided to involve your personal life in this issue. That was very immature. Hold your head up man, you dont have to operate on the same lvl as they.
(sorry for any grammar or spelling...Aron's mom gave me syphilis and know I cant see straight. oh and its long too... my bad. ;;)
If I had bought the item I would have returned it.Its a simple matter of decency. No more complexity than that is neccessary. You can talk about morals and business ethic all day long but that doesnt change the fact that the person buying the S.Harness knew they were taking advantage of the person who sold it from the time they received their first /tell. {FACT}.
I saw an analogy about a garage sale and a chair. I feel that example didnt fully do justice to the entire situation. Firstly lets get are math ratio straight. The kind of error that we are talking about isnt a $20 vs $200 mistake.Its a $20 vs $20,000 mistake. Also your example doesnt imply forknowledge on the part of the buyer. So...if I went to a garage sale and saw a $20,000 dollar chair on display for $20 (and I knew it was worth 20k) would I give it back when they called...yeah prolly id keep a little something for my trouble, but it would be returned.
Offering back 50% of the value is a worse slap in the face than not giveing back anything.Its like saying "Yes, I am aware that I am wrong, but im gonna steal 7.5 million from you and you had better SMILE and be GRATEFUL or ill steal 15mil. Have a nice day".
I think a more fitting analogy for this situation would be the early Americans taking land from the indians for a very minute fraction of what is was worth (Knowing the whole time that they were getting over on them), and then offering up land reservations to them later as an act of goodwill.
To make a long story short, either give the man back his money or dont, but dont try and make taking 7.5 million gil from an unwitting individual seem like an act of goodwill. It is fully within the realms of the person who purchased this item to correct this situation, if they choose not to then thats on them. But, they and ALL of us know that it is wrong. This person wasnt trying to undercut and get an item sold. We hear stories like this every day, but they usually involve a nice player and a scam artist. You wanna act like a scam artist? Then so be it.
Thanks
Gob
P.S. @ TS sorry that people decided to involve your personal life in this issue. That was very immature. Hold your head up man, you dont have to operate on the same lvl as they.
(sorry for any grammar or spelling...Aron's mom gave me syphilis and know I cant see straight. oh and its long too... my bad. ;;)
Okay, King of bismarck is here.
Sharpshooter your such a dumbass, guess thats what you get for turning your back on us.. Just so you know, he used to be rolling with me and kill and hood all the time. Who you think got his AF for him? yeah that was me.
Jigga your fat, and you wouldent give up 2 gil.
Terrestralldfkl Rage - pimpin, keep that ****, **** that kid, hes about 13 yrs old
IMO your all ******* your all gay
Sharpshooter your such a dumbass, guess thats what you get for turning your back on us.. Just so you know, he used to be rolling with me and kill and hood all the time. Who you think got his AF for him? yeah that was me.
Jigga your fat, and you wouldent give up 2 gil.
Terrestralldfkl Rage - pimpin, keep that ****, **** that kid, hes about 13 yrs old
IMO your all ******* your all gay
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LOL
My offical comment.
http://bismarckbitchlist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207
dont mess with TR
http://www.bismarckbitchlist.com/upload/files/tr.jpg
wutang clan aint nuttin ta **** wit
Edited, Fri Aug 5 18:21:06 2005 by gfive
My offical comment.
http://bismarckbitchlist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207
dont mess with TR
http://www.bismarckbitchlist.com/upload/files/tr.jpg
wutang clan aint nuttin ta **** wit
Edited, Fri Aug 5 18:21:06 2005 by gfive
Hi, you might have read about what happened to me, and the O. Kote I bought for 200k.
Terrestrialrage would notbe in the wrong at all for keeping this item, he DID buy it fair and square, if he wants to keep it, that's up to him.
I know the decision terrestrialrage has to make, because I went through something very simular about 2 days ago. I made the decision to give it back, simply because of my religion and morales.I know that 15mil is much more then 2mil, but it is much the same decision. Terrestrialrage, if you want to keep it, go ahead, if you want to sell it and give him 7.5mil, that is a very decent thing to do.
And also, alot of the people that have posted here saying "I would give it back"...
Um.. no you probably wouldn't.
I know that I might not. Even though I gave back that O. Kote, it is 15 mil we are talking about... I've never even had 1 mil before...
Well anyway, before you bash TR, think about it, he isn't wrong to keep it, it is Sharpshooter's fault for putting it up for 15k, and if TR keeps it, Sharpshooter has probably learned his lesson.
Terrestrialrage would notbe in the wrong at all for keeping this item, he DID buy it fair and square, if he wants to keep it, that's up to him.
I know the decision terrestrialrage has to make, because I went through something very simular about 2 days ago. I made the decision to give it back, simply because of my religion and morales.I know that 15mil is much more then 2mil, but it is much the same decision. Terrestrialrage, if you want to keep it, go ahead, if you want to sell it and give him 7.5mil, that is a very decent thing to do.
And also, alot of the people that have posted here saying "I would give it back"...
Um.. no you probably wouldn't.
I know that I might not. Even though I gave back that O. Kote, it is 15 mil we are talking about... I've never even had 1 mil before...
Well anyway, before you bash TR, think about it, he isn't wrong to keep it, it is Sharpshooter's fault for putting it up for 15k, and if TR keeps it, Sharpshooter has probably learned his lesson.
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You obviously dont know me so you have no room to say i need to stop stirring druama.
Hmm thats kind of funny to me that you would say this after you posting on the thred about SleeplessKnightz a while back saying that the people in it were rude, never helped with anything, talked bad to you and so on. I was part of that ls from the day it started till the day sevral members quit and sadly it was lost and not one time did i ever see you in that shell.
So if he cant say he dont know you and stop sturring up drama then I sure as hell will.
You act like all you did was ask for help what did you mean when you said this?
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I know for myself i will never invite him into anything im involved in and give him a few pets to play with.
Sounds like a MPK threat to me.
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Ive been posting on this site for a long long time, All my posts have been about helping people out, joking arround and especially helping in the Beastmaster forums. Ive never stuck my nose into any druama threads.
Umm....am I wrong but wouldent you posting this thread about something that did not involve you be sticking you nose in a drama thread? How about posting sevral times after it turned into a drama thread?
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PS: Looking at your broke *** Warrior i understand why you would have taken the SH.
Hmm...so you dont put gas on a fire (AKA sturring up drama) I guess your idea of a joke is insulting people that you claim not to know. /sigh thats to bad either you dont understand what drama is and that you have your nose stuck in the book or you are a lier so um what one is it?
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So you're seriously stating that destroying someone's real life relationship, involving and distressing an uninvolved third party (the girlfriend) in the process is nothing compared to 15M gil of virtual property?
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If you'd know what rage has done before then you might actually agree to it.
Oh we have a green light to pick on a person that was not involved in anything to do with the deal? Well if thats the case guess anyone that has ever made a mistake and sold something or droped it for less then the normal price can blaim you even tho you had nothing to do with it.
He can be a mass murder on death row for all I care the fact is when you bring someone into a prob that is not their deal because they know the person that just makes you the lowest form of humen on the planet. It's like you cant back up the $hit your talking so you have to end your rant about someone with telling their G/F they are cheating on them or saying your mama is so fat (fill in the blank).
You may not like it but thats life. We learn from our mistakes and if you dont you get burned over and over.
Last thing I have to say is to you mosh and that is this.
T.R. bought the SH+1 for 15k out of SS bazaar and guess what he speaks english now the question is what would you do if it was a JP player that did not? What would you do then I mean clearly if it was a JP player that diden't understand english and did not return the item you would be SOL you cant get the JP players to ban him from events or XP partys.
What if it would have been a mule account then who would you blaim?
Ya I know everyone says he should give it back and if it was me I would give it back but the question is would you really?
I would like to say yes I would give it back but to tell you the truth I'm not sure i would.
You cant say yes I would give it back untill your in the same situation then and only then will you know if you really would return the item.
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dont give it back
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