I guess this is just a general gripe about the game and my chance to get some other peoples opinions on some issues I have with pting. But let me say that I used to play with a lvl 30 THF/WAR, so I know a little bit about the game, i just recently came back to Vana'diel with a new char.
I understand that this game is made in such a way that it is easier to solo through your first 10-13 lvls then start pting from then on. I have a little bit of a problem with this because it feels like your starting to slow down a lot when trying to solo lvls 7-12 and the game just gets really freakin boring.
But that happens sometimes, and I can understand, however, my main problem is that at lvl 12 or even sooner you're basically expected to go PT full blast in valkurm dunes. The first time I ever pted with my original char. I put up my flag as my friend suggested and got an invite, when I accepted they greeted me with open arms ^^. Sweet, I was so amped, I asked where they were and they said the dunes... "WHERE?"
Basically, the game makes no use of the areas between the n00b areas and the dunes, because no pts there apparently (I've tried to get them going never works), and most of the monsters would take too long to solo efficiently.
Secondly, I never see a low level pt in the dunes without a PLer (you know the way the game is supposed to be... challenging). It's totally possible to have a pt of around lvl. 11 or so in the dunes and successfully gain levels, without a Pler... but for some reason I can never find one. I hate plers (not as people, just the concept), you don't learn how to pt correctly that way because the tank doesn't have to do anything after the pler gains aggro, and pretty much you have no need for a back up healer.
Maybe it's just me, and I should just give up playing because I'm horrible at looking for a fun pt to play in. But please don't take this as a huge attack on the game, I love, LOVE, this game, just I think because it's so group oriented there should be more actual group play, and not just the same type of pt in the dunes over and over again.
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I know it seems bad at times, but trust me once you get to the higher levels (50+) and start doing things like AF, random quests, Zilart/Promy missions, and so forth this game can become really fun and challenging. The problem now is that most of the servers have "grown up" so to speak and not many people play low level jobs, and when they do play them they want to get them out of the way as soon as possible (hence why you more commonly see PL's now).
I remember back when I started playing (near the PS2 release) when you could get a party in valkurm without thinking, but ran into the problem of over camping. Back in the day when if you had a PL it was a rare thing. Sometimes I thought the game was kind of boring and tedious, but once I got into the late 40's/early 50's this game became so much more fun. I remember how much fun I had doing the genkai missions and hunting for AF my first time. I know a lot of people don't like doing that sort of thing and think it is boring, but that was probably the most fun I ever had. I remember getting my first NM claim, how excited I was, helping out random people once I got into the later levels and so forth. My point being yeah sometimes this game has things that you need to do that kind of suck (low level parties/farming/whatever), but once you get into the game it is very fun.
I remember back when I started playing (near the PS2 release) when you could get a party in valkurm without thinking, but ran into the problem of over camping. Back in the day when if you had a PL it was a rare thing. Sometimes I thought the game was kind of boring and tedious, but once I got into the late 40's/early 50's this game became so much more fun. I remember how much fun I had doing the genkai missions and hunting for AF my first time. I know a lot of people don't like doing that sort of thing and think it is boring, but that was probably the most fun I ever had. I remember getting my first NM claim, how excited I was, helping out random people once I got into the later levels and so forth. My point being yeah sometimes this game has things that you need to do that kind of suck (low level parties/farming/whatever), but once you get into the game it is very fun.
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I never see parties in the dunes anymore. Last time I was there, I saw one party fighting lizards (pler included), one party fighting crabs (pler of course), and one party at the secret beach fighting pugs (dying, no PL >_>). No more 40 people seeking there anymore to make parties either. You either get in one of those 3, or wait...and wait.
I tried leveling my mule there the other day as whm, and I never once got a party. I remember back in my day if I was whm I'd get 16 random invites before I could put my flag up. You'll probably have to make use of your NPCs (and the new exp bangles) and solo your way to 20. Qufim isn't as empty as the dunes anyways.
Higher level gets better. More parties, more things to do aside from leveling, and by this time you have, hopefully, made enough friends to help you with these events. Just don't go about leveling every day and every night though, you'll get burned out very quickly and will never want to play again.
Just stick to it, you'll be up there faster than you realize.
I tried leveling my mule there the other day as whm, and I never once got a party. I remember back in my day if I was whm I'd get 16 random invites before I could put my flag up. You'll probably have to make use of your NPCs (and the new exp bangles) and solo your way to 20. Qufim isn't as empty as the dunes anyways.
Higher level gets better. More parties, more things to do aside from leveling, and by this time you have, hopefully, made enough friends to help you with these events. Just don't go about leveling every day and every night though, you'll get burned out very quickly and will never want to play again.
Just stick to it, you'll be up there faster than you realize.
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Secondly, I never see a low level pt in the dunes without a PLer (you know the way the game is supposed to be... challenging).
All i can say is that most of the time the people being PL'd have been to the dunes way 2 meny times now and want out ASAP lol
I can understand people not wanting to be in the dunes.. hell I have gone through more times then I can count on3 different characters. You know what though? Just because you have a high lvl, let's say WHM, that doesn't mean you know how to play a tank. Everyone needs a place where they get to know there job. When you go through the "noob" zones you are generally playing alone, so you don't have to worry about hate, over nuking, or anything else. All you have to worry about is killing the mob.
People NEED to STOP PLing people. It makes for players that don't know their jobs well enough in later lvls. Some might say, "Good, it will weed out the bad players." No, it will just lead to the deaths of good ones. Get to know your jobs, stop being so damn lazy and lvl them yourself.
People NEED to STOP PLing people. It makes for players that don't know their jobs well enough in later lvls. Some might say, "Good, it will weed out the bad players." No, it will just lead to the deaths of good ones. Get to know your jobs, stop being so damn lazy and lvl them yourself.
JadenNyte, I'm 99% sure I pled you. It was a few months ago and you stayed a couple hours, so you weren't too anti pl then.
This is a game. If people have more fun being pled and can get it why not. This isn't a hard game to play being pled doesn't make you a bad player. Most bad players are bad from gear and/or lack of food, or being afk most of the pty.
Many people just want to level something for a sub too. I've pled many drk/ninja/whm for rdms that only leveled it to sub rdm. Being pled to 37 is 100 times faster then without. By the time you soloed 1-10 a pled person in the same time would be 20 or higher probably.
The dunes are empty now. The game is dying. New people aren't coming. But most dunes ptys aren't pled, if you don't want pl it is really really easy to get that. Most people don't pl more then an hour or so anyway, so a pled pty becomes an unpled pty fast.
I've probably pled more then anyone on any server, so of course I'm going to defend it.
This is a game. If people have more fun being pled and can get it why not. This isn't a hard game to play being pled doesn't make you a bad player. Most bad players are bad from gear and/or lack of food, or being afk most of the pty.
Many people just want to level something for a sub too. I've pled many drk/ninja/whm for rdms that only leveled it to sub rdm. Being pled to 37 is 100 times faster then without. By the time you soloed 1-10 a pled person in the same time would be 20 or higher probably.
The dunes are empty now. The game is dying. New people aren't coming. But most dunes ptys aren't pled, if you don't want pl it is really really easy to get that. Most people don't pl more then an hour or so anyway, so a pled pty becomes an unpled pty fast.
I've probably pled more then anyone on any server, so of course I'm going to defend it.
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Jadenyte, I agree with you, a lot of people can use the practice in different job areas, and it definitely shows in the way people play (a lot of people could learn a lot of humility and humbleness from such leveling themselves).
But I can def. sympathize with people that are bored with lvling and just want to get to those higher levels. I guess really you can play however you want to. It'd just be nice if there were more players for me to pt with, that want to play the game the same way I do.
I'm not going to assume this is a comment made out of 5h33r 1337n3ss, but I have to ask. Do you mean that you HAVE to have the right food and the right set of armor to be a good player, or is it okay if I played without food or missing a few pieces of the "best" set of armor for my level?
But I can def. sympathize with people that are bored with lvling and just want to get to those higher levels. I guess really you can play however you want to. It'd just be nice if there were more players for me to pt with, that want to play the game the same way I do.
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Most bad players are bad from gear and/or lack of food, or being afk most of the pty.
I'm not going to assume this is a comment made out of 5h33r 1337n3ss, but I have to ask. Do you mean that you HAVE to have the right food and the right set of armor to be a good player, or is it okay if I played without food or missing a few pieces of the "best" set of armor for my level?
I don't know I have PL'd my fair share of PT's and It's normally out of complete bordem and it usualy completely random Only time I tell the tank to not voke off me is if I am almost out of MP. However being a rdm I don't seem to run out of MP to often.
Mostly the only time I PL or wish I had a person to PL me is lvl 1-10 I HATE! lvl 1-10 sooooo slooow. Oh yeah I also PL to try and Cap my gimpped *** healing but... meh it's good enough for now.
I would also like to add that lack of food/equipment/gil does not make a bad player. Lack of knowledge of thier chosen profession, a general bad atitude and being unwilling to take advice or learn from mistakes is what makes a bad player.
Mostly the only time I PL or wish I had a person to PL me is lvl 1-10 I HATE! lvl 1-10 sooooo slooow. Oh yeah I also PL to try and Cap my gimpped *** healing but... meh it's good enough for now.
I would also like to add that lack of food/equipment/gil does not make a bad player. Lack of knowledge of thier chosen profession, a general bad atitude and being unwilling to take advice or learn from mistakes is what makes a bad player.
Maybe Grimson, but you didn't power lvl me.. you may have been with someone in the party I was in (I honestly don't remember)I was still doing my job, I didn't ask for the PL.. and I'm sure I wasn't asked if it was ok. I'm sure I was probably a smn at the time.. and if that was the case I never stayed in a party for "hours". I still back up heal.. even if that means that I am wasting my MP on people that are getting cure 3s and I just wasted my 8 mp on a cure. Which causes me to have to rest more (in the case of a mage job).
As far as the gear comment goes... so what you are saying is that a lvl say.. 25 PLD.. that can't hold hate, and doesn't provoke is because of his gear? Didn't know gear that low (or any to my recollection) had an auto-provoke function.
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As far as the gear comment goes... so what you are saying is that a lvl say.. 25 PLD.. that can't hold hate, and doesn't provoke is because of his gear? Didn't know gear that low (or any to my recollection) had an auto-provoke function.
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Edited, Sat Oct 15 21:30:16 2005 by JadenNyte
JadenNyte, you were leveling a war(maybe ninja) I believe, and I was pling a friend that was in the pty. I think my friend was the smn. No you didn't ask for it, but you also didn't leave the pty because of it or ask me not too.
My healing has been capped for a very long time. I capped a friends chars healing pling with it too. I've pled at least 1000 hours. I pled 1 person over 200 hours. I pl mostly becuase the only reason I play this game still is to chat with friends I made on it, so I pl and chat.
As for gear and food, I was in a pty with a sam around level 60 that got TP slower then the thf, because he couldn't hit. That was from his gear and his lack of food. You don't need the best, most +1 gear is all status anyway, but you do need food and decent gear. If a pld isn't voking they are probably watching tv, talking on the phone, etc. AKA they are AFK. I've been in ptys with many melees that just push attack at the start of the fight then go afk or at least they seem to be doing that.
My healing has been capped for a very long time. I capped a friends chars healing pling with it too. I've pled at least 1000 hours. I pled 1 person over 200 hours. I pl mostly becuase the only reason I play this game still is to chat with friends I made on it, so I pl and chat.
As for gear and food, I was in a pty with a sam around level 60 that got TP slower then the thf, because he couldn't hit. That was from his gear and his lack of food. You don't need the best, most +1 gear is all status anyway, but you do need food and decent gear. If a pld isn't voking they are probably watching tv, talking on the phone, etc. AKA they are AFK. I've been in ptys with many melees that just push attack at the start of the fight then go afk or at least they seem to be doing that.
Grimson is a PLing maniac! I can vouch for that (God love him!).
I have most of my other jobs at level 10... I just can't bring myself to take them thru the dunes.
I'm glad I took Whm thru when I did. PT's for Whm are rare since the PL'ing became popular.
I'm glad I took Whm thru when I did. PT's for Whm are rare since the PL'ing became popular.
to party with a pl can be useful if you cant find a whm or any healer. Ive been pl sometimes and Im not against it. I agree this can be really boring for the whm but the important thing I think is the experience.
Back in the days , the dunes where the place where people learned their job. Now noobs learn their job at around lv 30-40. The only bad thing is when you dont know your job , you cant almost do anything by yourself. A small pt of 4 can do really great thing if they know what they are doing.
Gears are not everything in that game. Saying that someone who doesnt have the best gear is a bad player is simply stupid. You may have to remember your first time in the game. Dont tell me that you had the best gears right away unless you bought gils. I leveled 3 jobs to lev 30-60 before starting to have really good gears ( not even the best).
People can have good or bad days too. It doesnt make them bad players. Ive receive many good comments on good days and ive been kicked from a pt because of a bad day. You should not judge anyone in the game unless you had more than 3 or 4 bad experiences with that person. The only bad player I know is someone who thinks to know everything and doesnt accept advice. Or is mean to someone in anyway.
that was my 2 cents.
Back in the days , the dunes where the place where people learned their job. Now noobs learn their job at around lv 30-40. The only bad thing is when you dont know your job , you cant almost do anything by yourself. A small pt of 4 can do really great thing if they know what they are doing.
Gears are not everything in that game. Saying that someone who doesnt have the best gear is a bad player is simply stupid. You may have to remember your first time in the game. Dont tell me that you had the best gears right away unless you bought gils. I leveled 3 jobs to lev 30-60 before starting to have really good gears ( not even the best).
People can have good or bad days too. It doesnt make them bad players. Ive receive many good comments on good days and ive been kicked from a pt because of a bad day. You should not judge anyone in the game unless you had more than 3 or 4 bad experiences with that person. The only bad player I know is someone who thinks to know everything and doesnt accept advice. Or is mean to someone in anyway.
that was my 2 cents.
FFXI is a stat based game. I'm sorry but clicking attack, hitting a tp macro, and hitting WS macro isn't hard. Or waiting for someone hp to get low then hitting cure macro.
Gear and food gives you stats, when did I say you need the best? I actually said +1 gear is just for status and not that much better.
How much is there is learn in the dunes? You have few job abilites/spells/etc. You don't get many abilites until 37 or so. Most of how you learn to play a job is on the net or other people. Like it took yekkan to /tell me you do know you can cancel shadows don't you, to learn how to play ninja.
Most people that are anti-pl are people that are jealous.
This is a game. It is for fun. Don't tell someone else what they should be doing.
Gear and food gives you stats, when did I say you need the best? I actually said +1 gear is just for status and not that much better.
How much is there is learn in the dunes? You have few job abilites/spells/etc. You don't get many abilites until 37 or so. Most of how you learn to play a job is on the net or other people. Like it took yekkan to /tell me you do know you can cancel shadows don't you, to learn how to play ninja.
Most people that are anti-pl are people that are jealous.
This is a game. It is for fun. Don't tell someone else what they should be doing.
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