What's going on Bismarck? Serious problem :/Follow

You sir, are completely overlooking the true value of this post. First off, at what point in this post did I say I understand the economy, I am all knowing and I knew so much about the subject. Second, what makes you think that you know JACK? - that YOU know so much about the subject.

I posted this thread, with the intention of not explaining why what is taking place on our server is. I posted to 1) Ask what is happening to our server. 2) Why is this happening-RMT, Regular Players. 3) I just wanted us to consider the pain it's causing others to not even be able to buy the most mediocre items, because they are becoming quite unobtainable.

Your post is kinda hypocritic. At least if you are going to bash others who are asking questions, and working on solving a problem-then post something helpful, or perhaps a little more courteous. No hard feelings, but you just overlooked the intrinsic value of the thread. I'm just a concerned member of the server wanting to know how we can solve a problem, maybe you should also man. Isaiah

I keep going back and forth on this issue. I've never really been able to grasp the concept of RMT (I actually had to look it up - forgot what it stood for), I paid $50 for the game and about $15/month to play. I honestly don't want to pay more for the game.

There are certain items that I would love to have for my Monk, but I have learned to live without them and make alternative choices. I always try to find alternative ways to acquire stuff, whether it's crafting or farming. It usually ends up being both; farming items for 4-5 different levels of synths.

Now, I'm not looking for responses here but ask yourself this question. Are you concerned about the economy on Bismarck or are you concerned about the things you cannot afford and would like to have? Now, theoretically apply that to all the players on Bismarck and try to determine how easy or difficult it would be to change the economy.

I noticed something just last night. Not only is the higher-end gear going up, but, have you looked at the price of Centurion's gear lately? It's gone up quite substantially. I mean the stuff isn't even all that great. I prefer it over Eisen- gear, which is why I looked over the price. I bought my first set (Cent. gear) for 10k a piece and now it's almost 60k for a piece or two each?

I really don't care about the stuff I'd like. I mean sure, I'd love to have a Scorp. Harness, 2 Sniper's, Colossal Lance, and Forager's Mantle for my Drg, but doing the stuff I do to make gil, it's probably not going to happen for a long time.

As in my previous post, I asked how is it going to be possible for us not-so-fortunate folk to go and advance in level if we have to spend a huge amount of time farming or crafting?

I have to ideas to give people: 1.) Go kill tons of Orcs/Yagudo/Quadav. or 2.) Go and farm your a$$ off for Beastmen Seals as a lower level job.

The only problem with the economy as you(those who think the prices are crazy) see it is really that the value of gil has dropped a lot so that gil you were saving has stayed at its value. Yes there have been price hikes but they eventually even out.

The solution is simple buy something that has a value it will eventually go up. My Emp Pin was 700k when i got it, even after releasing the Rare/Ex version the price kept climbing Sold mine for 3million. Now what woulda happened to my 700k had i not invested in the pin? Nothing.... That's my point this game is a lot like real life if you want your money to grow you don't burry it in you mattress you invest it and hope the investment pays off. But of course most of you are probably looking for a quick turn around or a get rich quick plan. How do you make money in the real world? you work for it or at least i do. Same goes in the game now the trick is figuring out what you can do for "work" that will yeild the most play time. For me it was investing and Woodworking/Smithing/Goldsmithing.

Edit:

Fact. There is no way to dump gil out of FFXI quickly and that is why the prices will keep going up as more gil is generated via chests/beastman than there is being emptied out through Taxes.


Edited, Wed Dec 14 18:19:41 2005 by shadowbuni

ok, Simple. Look at it this way, the things everyone farms, have gone up also, Silk? Tree Cutting? Oils?
Everything is going up, but the things everyone always has thier eyes on are the big items. Yes, poeple are stingy.
As a crafter, I look for ways to control what I'm selling, you cant put too meny on the AH, or the price goes down, but if you put one at a time up, Hey! I can put it up for a little bit more.
The simplest way for the SE to drop prices would be to, make drop rates higher, this would cause the AH to flood, Just like veryone saw the Peacock Charm do.
6 were on the AH, (because so meny poeple did the BCNM) the price hit a all time low of 5M! Then, everyone found out the drop rate was crap! Less poeple did the BCNM, less were on the AH, leading to the price to jump back up again.
If you know whats going on you can make alot of gil, knowing when to sell, buy, and hold is the key.

But the point of the matter is, EVERYTHING is going up, not just the big stuff, its nothing to freak out over, unless you buy gil, and you now have to pay more for your vemy you want so much.

Hmm, so just because there is not one at the AH, that is reason to bump the price up 100, 200, 300k? I'm sorry but I'm guna say it, it's the people that do that, that hurt everyone, the ENTIRE server. Just because there isn't one up doesn't mean you have to bump the price up so much-or even at all. I just don't understand it.

And one more question, if I'm wrong, then I'm totally sorry. But, there is a mule in Hall of Gods, named Reecesmule or something like that? I take it that one is yours. The one selling Silent Oils for 3.8k EACH... Where do you get off doing that, you know you could easily sell them for AH price there, or just a little bit more, and make a KILLER profit still.

In the end, it all comes down to each small player making his or her own mark on this server. The way it works, functions, feels, and the experience we will enjoy/or disgust in, is each peron's duty also.

PS: If that's not your mule I'm sorry and I will shoot mysef in the toe.

LOL Stegan, what's with your obsession on everyone leveling THF.

Anyway's, has anyone ever thought that maybe SE is also making a profit off of IGE and other Gil buying/selling sites? Think about it... what's a better way to get ppl to do something then by telling them that they can't. (example: it's against TOS to buy or sell gil or accounts) Now I'm not saying that "everyone" buys gil or accounts, but we know some ppl do it. Do they get in trouble? I think not. With the exception of all those accounts that got banned earlier this year (supposedly accounts of gil sellers), I don't think things are going to change much.

Just about ever server is going through the same thing. Some worse then others. Ok, I forgot what the point I was trying to make (am sick with a high fever right now), so i'll just stop here.

hehe, thanks for the rate down. Anyway's I know what Treasure Hunter does, after all I do have THF leveled to 19. I was just be sarcastic about you telling ppl to level thf in every post.

*edit*

I used my friends account instead of mine. Aliza

Edited, Thu Dec 15 20:18:18 2005 by DrkRain

Lvl THF? It's much easier to BCNM, IMO.

Unfortunately, the problem with inflation doesn't have anything to do with what people WANT to charge, anymore than it does in RL. If you believe that, go out and place an ad for your car at triple its price and tell your boss you want triple the pay.

Tomorrow, if everyone in Bismarck asked for ten times more on their auction house prices, nothing would happen simply because no one can simaltaneuously increase the actual amount of GIL everyone has in their inventory by 10 times.

In RL (just as in the game), if items go up a LOT (gasoline prices anyone), then other things have to give. Less pricy food, fewer TVs sell, fewer trips to ball games etc. Then a few people lose jobs at the ball park, at the restaurant, TV store. Then those people have less for snacks, video games, etc. Then the convenience store lays off someone, Etc, etc. We dont get more money (GIL) just becuase we want it!

If prices tripled recently its only due to one of two reasons:

1) the actual item is more 'valuable' than before. Valuable only means buyers 'think' it is---not that it really has changed. The Mona Lisa sold for 4,000 (of whatever currency they had in the day) around 1510 and was valued at over $600 million recently. Its the same painting. Wrose still its ONLY poplar and paint. It doesn't give you +accuracy or magic attack bonus even.

2) the other possibility is that massive NEW gil is being created in the game. Hack or exploit anyone?? If there was massive amounts of new gil that would explain why items suddenly rocketed in price and why gil now sells for much less.

IMHO, unless someone knows of an exploit (I haven't heard of one or seen one posted), I think its option #1. People have gotten used to thinking items are worth $xx and now people are realizing they are worth more. Perhaps former RNG are spending gil on armor, perhaps players are tired of saving gil, perhaps crafters are tired of not getting paid well. So the rest of use run more (no choco), buy fewer pots, hustle more NPC quests, etc. Ultimately, a few people collect more because we agree that scorpions and sleepga2's are worth more. (We dont ALL have to agree, just enough buyers to make it work. It only takes one buyer to believe the Mona Lisa is worth $600 million.)

To clarify...EVERYTHING has not tripled. Many of the highest priced RNG items for example are flat as heck going back 3 months and several high priced BLM (most pendants) items and MNK (cross counters) items I have seen are the same as 1-2 months ago. Only some items have gone up.

On a server with 40,000 players with a total of (total GUESS by me) about 20,000,000,000 gil (thats 1/2 million per person~some of you have lots more than that and many have less), it seems possible prices will go up a lot on individual items if people decide they are more valuable than they thought before.

Just my opinion. I am not trying to justify inflation, just a comment on my opinion of what it is.


Edited, Fri Dec 16 09:13:38 2005 by Taurusrexx

i think it has a lot to do with a lot of people hitting 75, its a lot easier to make money when your level 75. also a lot of people are getting 2nd and 3rd jobs at 75, and they want the l33tist gears they can get for all there jobs. so now there is less leet gears on the AH to buy, so people are forced to pay more. same thing for the lower level equipment, we have level cap areas, and people want the best equips they can have for those levels. i know i have some nice war equips for levels 30 and 40, that equipment is pretty much out of the system now (it just sits on my mules till i need it), same for my blms and rdm jobs. i didn't level past them levels and put that stuff back on the AH. if everyone does this with rare gears then the price goes up, because everyone wants to be awesome.

i heard someone bought like 27 d. ingots over the course of a week trying to make a cursed hauburk -1, prices sky rocketed, because hello, everyone and there brother is leveling war and sam, and everyone expects you to have one or you suck.

You'd be blind not to see the trend that is going on. Since it is impossible to stop it really, I'd suggest that everyone invests in whatever pieces of equiptment they can afford and hope for the best. I personally spent my entire fortune n a few items about a month ago, and have probably made a decent return.

Don't expect to see a vast drop in prices any time soon, people in the chrismas mentality right now.

basically I'd grab high end brd blm nin and war gear FTW! (or you could just go KS and BCNM crazy and flood the market.