Similar to the 'how well are you known on Bismarck thread?'
we'll try a rating from 1-10,
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- Occassionally seen at HNM / sea / sky
9- Consistently competing for HNM claims / sea / sky presence
10- One of the best LS on the server
You don't have to be an owner to throw your LS on this list. Let's see what we can come up with. Copy and paste the person's list above you and change the numbers as you see fit.
EventHorizon - 9
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EventHorizon - 6
Secta Victoriae - 10
Secta Victoriae - 10
Scholar
40 posts
EventHorizon - 2
Secta Victoriae - 4
Forces Of Sandoria - 10
Secta Victoriae - 4
Forces Of Sandoria - 10
EventHorizon - 4
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 2
Shadow Assassins - 10
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 2
Shadow Assassins - 10
Scholar
26 posts
I have a slight problem with your ranking system. Getting HNMs/Dynamis/Sea etc does not have to be the end all be all of every ls. I have a social ls with people ranging from pre-sub job new players to players with atleast 2 jobs at 75. We don't go out to compete from HNM spawns cause that is not our goal. What we do is help each other out in missions, genkais, quests, AF, etc. Therefore the ranking should be revised to:
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 8
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 10
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 8
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 10
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Biased mebbe :D but never heard of the rest of you guys sorry :)
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Biased mebbe :D but never heard of the rest of you guys sorry :)
Going off of Coldstone's rating system:
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 10 Gam you are absolutely right. Secta was one of the best ls's ever. Unfortuntely Secta is no more =(
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 6
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 10
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 10 Gam you are absolutely right. Secta was one of the best ls's ever. Unfortuntely Secta is no more =(
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 6
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 10
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 4
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 8
UseofWeapons - 9
Zuzeeque
LS: BerserkElite
I know it's kind of strange that I'm not saying my primary LS is the best on the server - It's a good LS with some good folks that help out others, regardless of LS affiliation. As with any LS, some folks help all the time (almost expected of them) and some folks that don't help out at all (but expect help all the time). BerserkElite is a comfortable, laid-back LS, and home to several of my RL friends. /wave
One of the most helpful LS's on the server (that I've had the pleasure of receiving help from and being a member of) is UseofWeapons. Diatsuke, Blackodder, Shadowbuni and many others in this LS - I salute you all! You're awesome!
Edited, Wed Dec 21 10:37:21 2005 by Zuzeeque
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 4
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 8
UseofWeapons - 9
Zuzeeque
LS: BerserkElite
I know it's kind of strange that I'm not saying my primary LS is the best on the server - It's a good LS with some good folks that help out others, regardless of LS affiliation. As with any LS, some folks help all the time (almost expected of them) and some folks that don't help out at all (but expect help all the time). BerserkElite is a comfortable, laid-back LS, and home to several of my RL friends. /wave
One of the most helpful LS's on the server (that I've had the pleasure of receiving help from and being a member of) is UseofWeapons. Diatsuke, Blackodder, Shadowbuni and many others in this LS - I salute you all! You're awesome!
Edited, Wed Dec 21 10:37:21 2005 by Zuzeeque
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
11- Not only have I heard about this LS, but because of superior leadership, and a elite member list of superior players, it's no doubt one of the best up-and-coming LS on the server^^ Merry Christmas! Happy New Year! Eat my shorts!
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 11
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
11- Not only have I heard about this LS, but because of superior leadership, and a elite member list of superior players, it's no doubt one of the best up-and-coming LS on the server^^ Merry Christmas! Happy New Year! Eat my shorts!
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 11
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 2 1/2
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
xPROJECTxMAYHEMx - 10
CUKATA - 10
Ah, Hurray for the return of the biggest grabass ever. :D :D :D
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 2 1/2
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
xPROJECTxMAYHEMx - 10
CUKATA - 10
Ah, Hurray for the return of the biggest grabass ever. :D :D :D
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 8
Livewire - 8
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 8
Livewire - 8
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 6
Secta Victoriae - 10
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 5
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 2
Secta is currently under construction, don't kill it just yet, 5 of the originals are back with a new name and color ;p
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 6
Secta Victoriae - 10
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 5
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 2
Secta is currently under construction, don't kill it just yet, 5 of the originals are back with a new name and color ;p
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
I decided to go with reverse Psycology!
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
Epilogue-1- Never heard of them
I decided to go with reverse Psycology!
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 9
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 8
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 10
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 9
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 8
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 10
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 2
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 9
Theblackomen - 2
BerserkElite - 2
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 6
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 2
GiveMeYourTots - 10
HotukenKnights - 10
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 2
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 9
Theblackomen - 2
BerserkElite - 2
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 6
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 2
GiveMeYourTots - 10
HotukenKnights - 10
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 6
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 4
BerserkElite - 2
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 10 (My ls)
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 5
Secta Victoriae - 6
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 4
BerserkElite - 2
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 10 (My ls)
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 5
Quote:
Similar to the 'how well are you known on Bismarck thread?'
we'll try a rating from 1-10,
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- Occassionally seen at HNM / sea / sky
9- Consistently competing for HNM claims / sea / sky presence
10- One of the best LS on the server
You don't have to be an owner to throw your LS on this list. Let's see what we can come up with. Copy and paste the person's list above you and change the numbers as you see fit.
we'll try a rating from 1-10,
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- Occassionally seen at HNM / sea / sky
9- Consistently competing for HNM claims / sea / sky presence
10- One of the best LS on the server
You don't have to be an owner to throw your LS on this list. Let's see what we can come up with. Copy and paste the person's list above you and change the numbers as you see fit.
How well known your LS is and how well your LS is thought of are two seperate things.
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 8
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 4
Livewire - 5
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 5
HotukenKnights - 6
Funeral - 10 (mine)
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 8
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 4
Livewire - 5
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 5
HotukenKnights - 6
Funeral - 10 (mine)
EventHorizon - 9
Secta Victoriae - 7
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 2
The Core - 6
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 6
BerserkElite - 5
UseofWeapons - 9
Epilogue - 10
Livewire - 7
RenkeiDorkz - 10
GiveMeYourTots - 7
HotukenKnights - 10
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 10
TornadoAlley - 10
ANBU - 8
I did this post based on how well I know the linkshell and how prominent their linkshell is in my mind, not how prominent they are in the HNM community. A LOT of social linkshell's reputations are very prominent, but they're not involved in HNMs. HNMs aren't everything that determine a reputation.
Edited, Thu Dec 22 15:30:06 2005 by Ferra
Secta Victoriae - 7
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 2
The Core - 6
Lunarians - 10
Theblackomen - 6
BerserkElite - 5
UseofWeapons - 9
Epilogue - 10
Livewire - 7
RenkeiDorkz - 10
GiveMeYourTots - 7
HotukenKnights - 10
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 10
TornadoAlley - 10
ANBU - 8
I did this post based on how well I know the linkshell and how prominent their linkshell is in my mind, not how prominent they are in the HNM community. A LOT of social linkshell's reputations are very prominent, but they're not involved in HNMs. HNMs aren't everything that determine a reputation.
Edited, Thu Dec 22 15:30:06 2005 by Ferra
EventHorizon - 4
Secta Victoriae - 3
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 3
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite -1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 7
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 7
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 4
ArchDominus - 5
TornadoAlley - 5
ANBU - 5
Epiphany- 8
Secta Victoriae - 3
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 3
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite -1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 7
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 7
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 4
ArchDominus - 5
TornadoAlley - 5
ANBU - 5
Epiphany- 8
Just reminding myself:
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 3
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 3
The Core - 3
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 5
UseofWeapons - 6
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 6
GiveMeYourTots - 4
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 9 <- I'm in this one yay!
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 6
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 5
My LS:
InsaneBabsiesLS - 10
Edited, Fri Dec 23 06:39:04 2005 by Andykiller
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 1
Secta Victoriae - 3
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 3
The Core - 3
Lunarians - 6
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 5
UseofWeapons - 6
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 6
GiveMeYourTots - 4
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 9 <- I'm in this one yay!
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 6
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 5
My LS:
InsaneBabsiesLS - 10
Edited, Fri Dec 23 06:39:04 2005 by Andykiller
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 4
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 1
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 6
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 10
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 4
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 1
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 1
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 6
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 10
13 posts
HipNotik Nation - 3
Funeral - 3
Epiphany - 3
I'm such a nOOb
Funeral - 3
Epiphany - 3
I'm such a nOOb
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 1
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 1
ANBU - 8(member)
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 1
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core - 1
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 1
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 7
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 7
TornadoAlley - 1
ANBU - 8(member)
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 1
1- Never heard of them
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core -4
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 9
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 1
TornadoAlley - 1
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 1
ThirtySevenThieves - 10 >.> (ls I am in)
2- Seen them around once or twice
3- Heard of them
4- Seen and heard about them before
5- Hear about them alot
6- Occassionally see them around
7- See them around constantly
8- They have good members that are very active
9- The ls is one of the most helpful on the server
10- One of the best LS on the server
EventHorizon - 3
Secta Victoriae - 1
Forces Of Sandoria - 1
Shadow Assassins - 1
The Core -4
Lunarians - 7
Theblackomen - 1
BerserkElite - 1
UseofWeapons - 1
Epilogue - 3
Livewire - 1
RenkeiDorkz - 7
GiveMeYourTots - 1
HotukenKnights - 9
Funeral - 1
ArchDominus - 1
TornadoAlley - 1
ANBU - 7
Epiphany- 1
InsaneBabsiesLS - 1
Starshadow- 1
ThirtySevenThieves - 10 >.> (ls I am in)
hmm what about the HipNat?
what score does it get? even tho its no longer active
what score does it get? even tho its no longer active
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