This is getting crazy...Follow

Surely it was gil sellers. Surely no honest cooks sell sole sushi. Surely no honest fishermen target black sole.

I think what he's trying to say to you is that it probably has nothing to do with gilsellers whatsoever.

And all in all I don't really think it's the gilsellers that have raised the prices of the economy. Yeah, they camp NM's constantly and sell all their items on the AH but they're not the ones buying them. Whenever the gil sellers sold things, the prices used to remain fairly constant. They didn't really jack them up. But all in all, even if they did, someone else would too who wasnt a gil seller. Don't misinterpret this and think I support gil selling. I DO NOT SUPPORT SELLING GIL.

I think a lot of it is based on either:
A)The laziness of people who love to get everything from the auction house instead of getting it themselves, paying more for things they should be. A simple, yet minor example of this is a scroll of Puppet's Operetta. The scroll sells for roughly 18k from the nation in first, yet at the AH it was roughly over 30k last I checked. Granted, 12k really isn't that much, but this is just a minor example. You're paying 1.66% the worth of the item for the convenience of the Auction house.
So what's the relevance of this? Think of the items that are a lot harder to get, and how much people can raise the prices because of this. Is your skill high enough to craft a scorpion harness? And how many Venomous Claws do you have in your moghouse?
B)Unlike the argument of selling gil, I do believe the argument of buying gil does stand. The people who buy gil have a lot more money on hand, and they can always pull out their credit card to get more. They're going to care a lot less if they pay 1 million more for an item than it's been selling for than someone who doesn't buy gil. Why? To them, money is no object, and gil isn't either.
C)I think another possible factor is how many people now have high level jobs, and want to have great gear for their current jobs and successive jobs they level up. Take a look at how many high level characters there are on the server. As more and more people start leveling jobs higher, the demand for these items is going to go up and because of that the prices are going to rise.
D)Also take into account that raising the price of one item has a high possibility of raising the price of other items as well. If you raise the price of materials, the price of those crafted items are going to go up as well.
In the case of food, all of the ingredients have gone up in price because so many people are cooking now. A lot of people, especially mages, level cooking so they can make juices when they party. Also, as food gets more popular, the price is going to rise because more food will have to be made, and more materials will be required to make that food.

I could go on but I don't want to make you all read my rant. Simply put, people can be really greedy, and the need for items can really drive the prices up.

Feel free to rate me down or whatever if you don't like what I've said.

The only thing this proves is that they want the economy to be player-driven and diverse. They don't want people getting rich from XP. You can NPC fish for much larger amounts than 8 gil (not as large as it used to be, but still).

If they expected everyone to live off 8 gil per IT mob, I guess the vir/femina subligars are pretty ridiculous. 1 minute to kill an IT mob means you're farming 2 straight years without stopping to eat, sleep, drink, or use the facilities just to buy one, only to watch it break on the desynth. {excitement}

I figured if you were smart enough to make economical commentary, you'd be smart enough to realize that the whole economy is inflated as a whole. SH prices have tripled, sure, but so have prices for gold ore, darksteel ore, etc etc. Whatever your source of income is, it should have tripled in turn with whatever you're saving up for. If it hasn't, it's likely because it was affected by something else (SE dropping demand on arrows), so it shouldn't be hard to find a source of income consistent with the economy.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter how expensive it is. The only people it hurts are those who NPC items, as NPC items remain fixed. And anyone who buys items from an NPC and either immediately resells them or crafts them into end products are benefitting wildly as ingredients prices are plummeting in relation to their product sale prices.

These prices aren't inflation, they aren't gilsellers, they aren't gilbuyers. But, I will tell you exactly what it is.


GREED, and it's killing this game.

Because in real life normal people have to worry about things like bills and you know... eating? It isn't like in FF where every gil you earn you can put towards one item, in real life you have to learn to distribute your money so you can survive... quite literally.

EDIT: Because I'm a good speeler

Edited, Thu Jan 5 15:43:12 2006 by Weakness

so.. uh.. has anyone noticed the prices steadily decreasing of ALOT of items? just hold out on buying them for massive amounts.. the impatient people wind up undercutting things again and again and finally we have a semi-normal economy.. farm things you need for a while.. find a crafter you know if you need an item.. we can fix the problem, already started on a few things.. For example SH.. few days ago 18M.. now 13M.. we stop buying they stop selling.. and since the gilseller holiday rush is over we're in control again, not them.. i think we can actually make this an enjoyable game again if we try hard enough..

The gil seller/gil buyer/economy arguments remind me of those talking-head TV shows. You know the ones, the old guys ranting at each other over some contentious political point.

It's just the same thing. Of every fifty people yelling, five will actually understand the cause and effect of the issue, twenty people will complicate the matter beyond all recognition in order to prove a point, and twenty-five people will just parrot what the others say. It's very predicatable and depressing. I freaking hate those shows.

Long and short: if you don't want to pay the prices, don't pay them. If you can't get parties because you don't want to buy the ridiculously priced stuff, that's fine too, there are games other than this one out there.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 21:36:36 2006 by Sioux

You are guys are wrong about new players i think. I wish server prices were like this when I started out. Holy Cow.

Leather armor is what 10K for the whole set. Beechips are like 15k or something stupid like that. Silk is even more nuts, like 50k a stack. I would be sitting in fat city before I even made it to the dunes. New players have nothing to worry about since they will be able to fleece high levels like me that are too lazy to do their own farming.

To some people, farming is just as tedious as work that they prefer farming in real life for gil, better return for their time. Who are you to tell them what's fun and what's work? I use to tell people who complained about how hard it is to earn gil. Instead of spending hours and hours fighting goobues and complaining why don't you just go get a job and buy gil, you're still spending that same amount of time making gil. Why spend real money on play money? the same reason why some people spend a hundred dollars to buy an old coin worth 25 cents, its a hobby, the game is a HOBBY to some people. I make fun of gil buyers all the time, yet I never condemned what they do.

When people started getting up in arms over gil buying, acting like gil buyers killed your parents or somethign, its funny, yet kinda disturbing at the same time. Its like a little child whining because other people got their toys in a different way and they feel jibbed. Alot of the richest and most uber people on the server doesn't buy gil. I see most of the complaining coming from casual players with minimal play time that saw people around them levelign up high and getting awesome gears. They then makes up for their lack of prowress in game by scoffing at other people by using the "they have no life thats why they got all that gears" or "omg they should've been gimp like me but they bought gil" comments. Either be like me and stay gimp, put in more playing time, or go buy gil, the option is yours.

look at the price of rice that reason so much , im high lv cook (92)and since some people got the rice price jacked up last i seen 35k stacks jueno (camping the only spot buy rice in windy like lottery), we had to jack the sushis up , if look all sushi gone up, once all people start to garden (takes days) rice and load up on rice, and under cut rice back to about 8k stacks the price should drop again,and So less people making sushi to undercut the ah only reason price gone up so high on sushi. Rice just dang pricey at all 4 AH, jueno was last i look highest price. others just started get jacked up sandy and bastok

Cooks need make same profit margin as before so, those that got there gardens ready and got rice , will get higher profit right now , soon hopefully enough people garden rice to drop rice back down, but some cooks can make same gil if buy rice from ah, only if they jack price up on sushi really , all happening is getting same profit margin higher price sushi.

so if like get sushi price back down need lower price of AH rice since all other ingredents are easier to get and, tend be more fix price. fish well just fish for self, 2 other ingredents can be camp from tenshue headquarters but usally if price to high get from ah cheaper, and not worth selling those AH if no one making sushi, so cheap from tenshue.

Not everyone has 12 hours to camp a notorious monster, or has a lvl 100 Smithing level to make that shiny new Haubergeon. The Auction House, hence, is the only other way, for non-crafters like myself.



I've said it once, I'll say it again: More and more people are going to have high lvl jobs, because that's the name of the game.

I'm not meaning any hate, Annalise, but I'm just giving my debatable opinions.