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My blue mage is only 23 right now. I get the jump and attack bonus should I want to go with that for the time being.

War/drg

1) Macro 2 piece barone armor(body/leg) for TP + 3 piece hecatomb(head/hand/boot) for jump and high jump. If you have ridill your jump can do tripple attack. Or else GA is good for jump damage.

2) When TP build you should already have haste items, add wyern earring(sp? that 5% haste earring). 26% haste equipment, with haste spell/march, plus jump... Thats insane TP build.

3) Dragoon sub givse you accuracy bouns and attack bouns.

4) Dragoon killer ROARRRRRRRRRR!!!


Nobody is comparing war/drg dmg to war/nin. I would think war/nin still DD king but war/drg koo and fun to mess around, also arguable the best sub for GA compare to /thf.

I kinda want to play around with a WAR/DRG now haha. Also Invoky, point four is very profound and well taken. ^_^

Annalise, I really liked your breakdown. Something else I've wanted to fiddle with is DRK/DRG. Think about it! Jumps and accuracy bonuses for a Dark Knight?! Can we say massive damage?

Do any of you have an opinion on that? Something else I was wondering is how about a PLD using a greatsword?

Paladins also have an A- skill in club. Only problem is the lack of decent damage ones...however, the pixie mace at 24 beats out just about any sword at the level due to the +5 accuracy it gives. I'd say a mace and shield would do nicely if you've got to tank boneheads IF you put in the effort to keep that club skill up to date.

Something tells me that a lot of people's thoughts regarding war/mnk 'taking too much damage' comes from berserked war/nin taking hits with their shadows down in attack gear. If you ask me, people are so wrapped up in their precious shadows they don't think they can live without them.

Edited, Jun 30th 2006 at 7:15am EDT by Deedlitchan

I do agree that ninja is a perfectly viable job itself, but I think there is too much shadow abuse. Now, as a white mage it would be hypocritical of me to say "stop using shadows" because they make my life as a healer a lot more bearable. However, when I see the solution for everything come down to ninjas, it does dishearten me a little bit.

A good example of that would be the PM 2-5 suggested method of winning here on this site where it says that everyone but the white mage should sub ninja. I mean come on. I seriously doubt the programmers made it so that this has to be done in order to win the mammet fight, yaknow?

Hehe, but I wouldn't mind leveling ninja sometime if for only to use that nifty +7 to cooking katana. ^_~*

Have any of you ever tried MNK/DRG? Or even MNK/DRK?! Wow I wonder how good bad either of those would be, especially when it comes to the MNK/DRK!

It could be argued for a long time about the effect of Utsusemi on gameplay dynamics. If people are about to do that... then you should probably stat another topic, since a discussion about Utsu somewhat out topic from underated sub jobs.

While it is true that Utsusemi made life a bit easier... but its only for some jobs. /nin is somewhat ****** for Drk, Sam, Drg which are a important chunk of the DD population.

It could even be said that Utsu made things a bit too easy... a skill that will fully negate Physical AND magic directed at the user regardless of his skill lvl, actual lvl, lvl of the mob is um... somewhat broken. Its not very suprising to see a alarming numbers of strategies for BC/NM/ENM/Asault/Mission which only involves throwing a bunch of /nin for the fastest victory possible. Its somewhat sad to see that the new jobs are rapidly falling into the /nin mold (Blu/nin and Cor/Nin) as a "standard" way to play.

Probably much more could be said about that >.>

Let's not get things too heated here in this thread. As the original author and impromptu "moderator", I'd like to keep discussions about utsusemi or /NIN in other threads or private messages unless it has to do with the explanation of why someone thinks that (for example) a WHM/NIN is good for a dunes party or something else that is out of the "norm" but worthy for consideration.

I'd still like to hear someone chime in about MNK/DRG or MNK/DRK. I haven't tried either but both seem to really be attractive. Think of a monk that can use the dark knight's drain abilities with the added attack bonus!!! =O

Hmmm...mnk/drg...Jump at 10, Attack Bonus at 20, accuracy bonus at 60, High Jump at 70, and however many +haste pieces of equipment along the way including the wyvern earring at 30 for +5% haste. Mnk/drk, attack bonus at 20, the not-so-hot Last Resort at 30, second attack bonus at 60, and absorbs that would only maybe of some use on crawlers and/or onion heads due to their insane weakness to dark magic, and Stun can still work even when subbed.

Just glancing through, a couple things to add:

RDM/DRK's bad rep doesn't come from its failure as an effective combination: its bad reputation comes from its popularity with poor red mages.
My boyfriend is a 66WAR, and I have the advantage of being able to watch other RDMs on his screen while he EXPs.
Far and away, the majority of RDM/DRKs are meleers (of course) which is tricky in itself past 41, but often melee takes precedence over other responsibilities to the party.
A party asks for a RDM because it wants refreshing, enfeebling, MBing, backup healing, sleeping and (in later levels) escape tactics, more or less in that order. Melee comes AFTER all that in a PUG, although it may well be a different story in a set party.

Unless a party is hurting for a DD, RDM/DRK is not as effective a choice as RDM/BLM/WHM. If a party understands what it's getting and gets a backup mage and/or refresher, that's different, but it's the rare RDM/DRK that can keep up a refresh cycle, MBs, sleeps, and enfeebles, not run out of MP, and still melee. I freely admit I wouldn't be able to do it.

Deedlitchen pulls it off from what I understand, and I give him/her props for that. (S)he was my idol when I was a wee RDM, and it was only with great reluctance that I gave up my meleeing ways and chose to go full mage.

As a damage dealer, farming, or special-purpose job, RDM/DRK is awesome. They are to dealing damage what RDM/NIN is to not taking it. That's not to be overlooked in general, but few EXP parties are really willing to take the gamble on that, since there are so many bad RDM/DRKs out there.

Bad RDM/DRK = is playing an unusual job combo but maxes the benefits of neither; just uses /DRK to make it clear on /sea all that he's going to melee and that's that.



I played a DRG/SAM up to 30. It was an excellent damage dealing combo, and my only regret on it was that I didn't have an emergency Provoke.



BSTs are incredibly awesome DD. They really are, especially if you happen to be somewhere where EM pets are available and the BST is subbing WAR. Anyone who has never seen a BST deal damage should level one to see: it's murder.
To throw out a lame statistic, I can use a NQ crab jug and it will hit a level 30 TWTBW for 300 damage. This is from a pet with the attack speed of a sword.
It also has the HP of a Galka on steroids, vs. TW at least (although it will also hold off an IT long enough for me to escape or get another pet). A jug's damage is not as good against IT, but it's still good enough keep up.
This is not counting the damage of the BST, who has an A- rating in axe and some excellent weaponskills. Anyone who is reluctant to invite a BST, trust me, just try one.
Jugs don't cost anything in EXP. In order for the party's EXP to be lowered by the BST, the BST would have to use a T pet, which is silly anyway. That Brady Guide mistake has not only cost BSTs who would like to party, it's also robbed the community of a very good DD choice.



WHM/WAR rocks when done right. I am struggling to think of this fellow's name, it started with a B and he was on Bismarck, but he could make WHM/WAR look like the best PLD you ever saw.

Another choice that may or may not be here is RDM/BST. Excellent for soloing and NM hunting; can charm pets up to EM without much trouble, and here we are back in BST DD territory: an EM mob is a whole lot of damage, and damage is the one thing RDM tends to lack over the course of a full solo fight. We can nuke for beaucoup, but that costs a lot of MP, and MP is the lifeline; run out, and you're worm food.
Get an EM mob in there and you'll tear through anything, nonstop. Even if you fail charm, with the benefits of Fast Cast, Phalanx, Ice Spikes, Stoneskin and Blink, you'll be ok until hate goes off again.

Last thing: A couple people have mentioned the benefits of RDM/WAR and its efficiency as a tank: never underestimate RDM's Fast Cast too. A spell that goes off faster has a better chance of not being interrupted under direct attack, and it's always mystified me why PLD didn't at least get Fast Cast 1.
Fast Cast also lowers the cast time of Utsusemi, and Chainspell will allow nonstop Utsu.

DRK/RDM in pvp isnt bad well then again DRK/anything isnt bad but a DRK/RDM in a 60+ pvp... *drool*

You'd be hard pressed to see a difference between SATA Asuran Fists and a regular Asuran Fists, as the critical hit affects only the first hit in a multihit WS when thief is subbed. However, the difference is much more apparrant in Howling Fist, as it is a one hit WS. It'd be pretty good for Dragon Kick, a two hit WS.