For the record, I was not a part of EH or IRON - so I have nothing to gain from this post.
It was a sad thing to see IRON's decline - it was happening before the merger to EH. That much was clear for anyone who paid attention to the rumblings on the server. When Tredvolt left, the decline began. People move on and sometimes a leader that is strong cannot be easily replaced (like him or not, Tredvolt was iron-fisted and surrounded himself by like-minded officers.) Unfortunately, when Tredvolt left, no one was prepared to fully step into his place.
As far as EH - whatever you may think of Moonpie and her crew: They were strong, had a purpose and seemed up to most any task. They seemed to truly enjoy playing with each other and were (from the outside looking in) fiercely loyal to EH and it's leaders. They didn't necessarily goose-step to Moonpie (like most did to Tredvolt), but they found their own way to deal with situations and personalities to make themselves successful.
The bitterness and the accusations do no one any good - it sours the game for those who remain. Be angry if it makes you feel better, but channel the anger into making your new LS home a force to be reckoned with on Bismarck. Learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others.
Please don't do what we've seen some do - Don't spew bitterness, discontent, claims of ineptitude at those that were supportive of what you wanted out of the old, now dead, LS(s). Good bad or indifferent - FFXI is a lot like life. There are ups and downs, twists and turns, good and bad people, people who treat you as a friend only to stab you in the back - we all grow stronger and better for having survived each of these things.
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so uh yea im thinking of quiting....
Tee, get your *** to 75 and get some merits under your belt. I haven't seen you lately but we should make it a point to party. This BS can wear ya down. I don't see me quitting anytime soon. I still have a couple of things I want to accomplish.
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what a shock...
another long winded, self-righteous, ******** spewing from poundkake's mouth. You act like your so great and that you help everyone. But the truth is just the opposite, you are greedy and loathing to people. you rarely help out and always throw your un-needed (and often way to long) opinion.
Do us all a favor and take that giant **** out of your *** and stick in your mouth so we don't have to listen to this **** anymore.
as for moonpie's post... you talk about backstabbers and how it was ****** before you got there. you are one of the biggest backstabbers of them all. Whenever a problem came up you often either pinned on someone else or just said sorry and then did nothing to correct it. The best part about you claiming that everyone else is a backstabber is that you would agree with me in tells but then your public posts were always flaming. that to me sounds like a backstabber? you have made some many of my friends quit this game because of you being a ***** so I'm very happy that you claim you are done
another long winded, self-righteous, ******** spewing from poundkake's mouth. You act like your so great and that you help everyone. But the truth is just the opposite, you are greedy and loathing to people. you rarely help out and always throw your un-needed (and often way to long) opinion.
Do us all a favor and take that giant **** out of your *** and stick in your mouth so we don't have to listen to this **** anymore.
as for moonpie's post... you talk about backstabbers and how it was ****** before you got there. you are one of the biggest backstabbers of them all. Whenever a problem came up you often either pinned on someone else or just said sorry and then did nothing to correct it. The best part about you claiming that everyone else is a backstabber is that you would agree with me in tells but then your public posts were always flaming. that to me sounds like a backstabber? you have made some many of my friends quit this game because of you being a ***** so I'm very happy that you claim you are done
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lol, i'm sorry i felt no real attachment to IRON. I mean, IRON to me was always a shell that had what it needed, but wouldn't step aside for any new aspiring shells to get a taste of HNM. I gotta be honest with you guys. I was never more excited for the future of my crew as when i saw IRON circling the drain. Everyday i would sit at camp, watch iron claim with 8 people, and struggle for 59 minutes, thinking.. this is just rude. In fact, plenty of people agree.
1st off, IRON would have loved to move away from sky and HNMs, guess what we couldnt. There was no better items or items that people wanted more than the 4 year old sky gear and abjs from the 3 kings. You just make yourself sound dumb here. Everytime you gear someone up and they leave you have to start over again. That is SE's fault and the people playing the game.
This is the main reason we lost so many members, but it is the same reason so many of the hardcore members of the other shells have left as well, been there dont that too many times. SE gives us terrible drop rates and terrible pop conditions that have created bottle necks in the system. IRON would have loved to spend time in SEA that go back to DA, IRON would love to camp COP Wyrms if they dropped items better than the 3 kings. I am sure if you ask the members of AD and Luna they would feel the same way.
I wish you would have had to deal with 3 JPNs at 8pm EST holding HNMs, how about the MPK wars that IRON, AD and Lunarians fought so hard to keep from happening on our server. You werent there dealing with the crap we had to put up with in the begining, and in the end it was the leadership of the Lunarians, AD and IRON that kept MPKing from becoming acceptable. Rude, you have no idea the meaning of rude.
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Here's the plain and simple. When Tred quit, he took it with him, Figuratively of course... or is it. Either way, this thread, however long its been up (probably to long to have been bumped with the previous post), is 2 months past its prime. Iron broke before EH ever joined. In fact, EH was in its prime when we joined. Moral was the highest it had ever been. We had been claiming like nobody's business. So to say that EH killed iron, is just laughable. And, i do laugh at it, quite often. When the idea was presented to EH members, we resisted, and were begged to come along and be supportive, so I allowed myself to be sold on it. Hell, i guess anyone who came is partly to blame, we could have stopped it. But regardless, iron didn't break, it was already dead. EH broke. lol, it was killing me to attend that ridiculous "breaking ceremony" that they tried to send us all off with. Yea, the one where Tredvolt logged on, to fkin recruit for his iron wow guild within 2 minutes of the break. I don't think i have ever been so insulted. "oh, well the iron name will live on, just in a different name." Maybe the 4 iron members left in the shell cared about the "iron name," But the 20+ EH members sure didn't. Oh, my favorite line from the ceremony: "Well, this group just couldn't live up to the iron standard. And that's not any body's fault.." (Fuukochan). I guess fuuko was talking about claiming nid with a few people and wiping 5 times and then getting double body drops, day in and day out. No, Tredvolt took the iron standard with him, and didn't leave the shell any. How much gil did he have on his account, that he opted to keep, rather than to donate it to the shells bank to keep the shell at least afloat? I don't know a figure, that's just something to reflect on.
To be truthful, I do believe when Tred left he should have retired the shell. But Fuukochan wanted to try to keep it going. Much like the merger with Genesis, it was a chance. The merger with Genesis could have failed too, and this thread would have been made in 2005 and not in 2007. If you look at what heppened with the Genesis merger, there was a good chance that if the EH merger worked that the shell could have been stronger than it ever was. EH could have rejected the merger, no one forced anyone to do anything.
As far as Tredvolts money, I know from my personal meeting with Tredvolt and many of the other IRON members in CA, that there was a hard copy log of how much money the shell had and how much money TRedvolt had. If you feel that Tredvolt's personal money should have gone to the shell, well thats your opinion. At least he didnt RMT it. You have the choice to do whatever you want with what is yours.
I cant and wont make any comments on how the break happened and what could of, or should of happened to all the items. I do know when the IRON/Genesis merger happened, we cleared all the bank money and it was split among the members of each shell, so the IRON bank was started from zero. Pop items were carefully logged and we knew which items belonged to what shell pre-merger to help figure out who should get what item from the pop item. Maybe these details were ignored with EH/IRON merger, I can not say.
You can make all the attacks you want, some are most likely warrented, but remember if the merger worked and the shell was doing well, I dont think half the issue's people are ******** about would be visable. I think people are looking back and just being cowards in how the view the facts. I know and I am sure many mistakes were made. To point fingers now is just plain stupid.
Its like everyone now is saying, oh we say this happening, that why didnt you speak up to prevent the merger? All of you complaining and pointing fingers, did you EVERYTHING to help? Or did you give the leadership more stress to deal with. My guess is, Moon and Fuuk were at times dealing with ego's and people being babies, while the real problems were not addressed in a manner that would have been productive. I know i stepped away, but I stepped away cause we had a new string of tanks, and I did not want to get into the way. The LS had control of my charactor, but I was not going to start asking for pld/nin gear when it clearly needed to go to members like zartan etc. Even though I did step away in game, I still tried to help Fuuk out in PMs on the forums and tried to keep some input on the forums with the other members. SO before you post about this person did this and that person did that, ask yourself were you apart of the problem or did you try to be the solution?
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Oh old iron members your all so great you don't play and yet think you have the right to post your opinions about things and somehow think your helping were you playing when the EH/IRON merger happened? no. were you playing when there were problem? hell no! were you there when the shell was ended? Of coarse not so you need to go back to WoW and sit at tredvolts feet like a good dog. and as for not wanting the merger to happen and refusing it well quite a few EH people said they didn't want it to happen but moonpie made it clear that you go or leave the shell because she doesn't listen to people unless she is going out with them.
Ah.. gotta love those mysterious newb posters appearing randomly in those Drama thread talking like they know everything.
Somewhat sad... how do you expect to even be listened if you're afraid to show yourself?
And learn how to spell.. it usually help getting the message throught!!
Somewhat sad... how do you expect to even be listened if you're afraid to show yourself?
And learn how to spell.. it usually help getting the message throught!!
Scholar
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As most if not everyone here, we're all fairly fascinated by all the things said on these posts, otherwise we wouldn't be reading them.
Many people have said the problem was people, others the leaders, yet I have not read a single post in this section about the actual Structure of the Linkshell. For anyone who's been on Battlenet playing Starcraft, or Diablo II, we're all well aware that the structure of the game has an immense impact on human behavior. You play a Starcraft Use Map Settings map where the main player can ban you, and sure enough, you'll have that person throwing their weight around constantly threatening to kick you out. As an Economics major, I know all too well that incentives change how people act.
I'm by no means familiar with the intricacies, details or bureaucracy of most Linkshells. There are an unbelievable amount of social norms, customs, and silent understandings between any groups of people. However, I think it would be extremely naive and misguided to say that any group gets it absolutely right. Different things work for different people, but how do we know what system is best for a certain ideology? IRON had the ideology as once described by Tredvolt that the most efficient form to have would be to split everything that's sellable. Lunarians seem to have a more communal-based system where bidding is allowed for particular items. And there are a thousand other Linkshells which have systems and differences that cross the gamut. However, let me get back to the original point I wanted to make: What brings down a Linkshell? Is it really the people or is it the structure that binds them together?
Every Linkshell has its own separate ideology about the world of FFXI and attracts a different type of person. Much like Fraternities and Sororities, people like to surround themselves with like-minded people. But is there a "best" system of Linkshell governance? Does the system come as a result of the community itself or does the system define the type of people who are a part of it?
I don't play the game anymore, nor do I have any intention of ever coming back to it, but there's still something that draws me back to reading about what's happening on FFXI. I'm curious about the REAL reasons versus the political and social ones that people structure Linkshells the way they do as it's very easy to claim a just cause, but my pessimism and almost complete lack of faith in the majority of humanity doing something for the good of others points me in another direction.
Let's face it, most of us, if not all of us after enough time just can't keep forcing ourselves to believe that what we are doing is for the good of the community and we start to expect more individually. It's near impossible, especially as a leader, to constantly sacrifice one's time and energy and keep trying to say you don't want anything in return. It's fairly inevitable that you won't be tempted to use your power in one way or another to get what you want. Is it the fault of the person individually, or are there not proper checks and balances in place to prevent such a thing from happening? Shouldn't the leader be properly compensated for his or her time and effort in organizing the collective?
We all remember the things we do for others. In psychology, the bias is called egocentrism. We all have it (at least we in terms of western civilization). It's so easy to not trust the people in your Linkshell because there are such huge incentives to abuse that trust. Trust has always been the downfall of practically any Linkshell. We've probably all experienced that single moment where you know you're heading down hill because there's just something in the air that's wrong. Trust is extremely hard to keep and incredibly easy to lose. But why does it break down? Are there too many loopholes in the systems that are built simply on faith? Are there not even checks and balances to keep the governance of the LS together? I think these are the real questions that people should be trying to answer rather than whose particular fault it is (regardless of the fascination I and many others seem to have with reading "flame" posts).
We all seem to be looking for the same thing in FFXI. The chance to be recognized whether it's because you have 100 in a craft, you're in a Linkshell that just beat some ultra-mega boss, or you just got some abjuration. There are huge incentives at stake, and only the structure of a Linkshell with proper checks and balances can lead to stability and trust.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" Who will guard the guards themselves.
For anyone who is actually interested in talking about this further, about the structure of Linkshells if you've lead a Linkshell yourself or are well versed in how a certain Linkshell runs, I'd love to talk. Please PM me on these forums and we can chat over AIM or something.
Please feel free to point out everything wrong with what I have to say whether logically, grammatically, or philosophically, god knows I do it to all your posts lol.
Thanks for reading :)
Edited, Feb 25th 2007 9:57pm by Hephaestus
Many people have said the problem was people, others the leaders, yet I have not read a single post in this section about the actual Structure of the Linkshell. For anyone who's been on Battlenet playing Starcraft, or Diablo II, we're all well aware that the structure of the game has an immense impact on human behavior. You play a Starcraft Use Map Settings map where the main player can ban you, and sure enough, you'll have that person throwing their weight around constantly threatening to kick you out. As an Economics major, I know all too well that incentives change how people act.
I'm by no means familiar with the intricacies, details or bureaucracy of most Linkshells. There are an unbelievable amount of social norms, customs, and silent understandings between any groups of people. However, I think it would be extremely naive and misguided to say that any group gets it absolutely right. Different things work for different people, but how do we know what system is best for a certain ideology? IRON had the ideology as once described by Tredvolt that the most efficient form to have would be to split everything that's sellable. Lunarians seem to have a more communal-based system where bidding is allowed for particular items. And there are a thousand other Linkshells which have systems and differences that cross the gamut. However, let me get back to the original point I wanted to make: What brings down a Linkshell? Is it really the people or is it the structure that binds them together?
Every Linkshell has its own separate ideology about the world of FFXI and attracts a different type of person. Much like Fraternities and Sororities, people like to surround themselves with like-minded people. But is there a "best" system of Linkshell governance? Does the system come as a result of the community itself or does the system define the type of people who are a part of it?
I don't play the game anymore, nor do I have any intention of ever coming back to it, but there's still something that draws me back to reading about what's happening on FFXI. I'm curious about the REAL reasons versus the political and social ones that people structure Linkshells the way they do as it's very easy to claim a just cause, but my pessimism and almost complete lack of faith in the majority of humanity doing something for the good of others points me in another direction.
Let's face it, most of us, if not all of us after enough time just can't keep forcing ourselves to believe that what we are doing is for the good of the community and we start to expect more individually. It's near impossible, especially as a leader, to constantly sacrifice one's time and energy and keep trying to say you don't want anything in return. It's fairly inevitable that you won't be tempted to use your power in one way or another to get what you want. Is it the fault of the person individually, or are there not proper checks and balances in place to prevent such a thing from happening? Shouldn't the leader be properly compensated for his or her time and effort in organizing the collective?
We all remember the things we do for others. In psychology, the bias is called egocentrism. We all have it (at least we in terms of western civilization). It's so easy to not trust the people in your Linkshell because there are such huge incentives to abuse that trust. Trust has always been the downfall of practically any Linkshell. We've probably all experienced that single moment where you know you're heading down hill because there's just something in the air that's wrong. Trust is extremely hard to keep and incredibly easy to lose. But why does it break down? Are there too many loopholes in the systems that are built simply on faith? Are there not even checks and balances to keep the governance of the LS together? I think these are the real questions that people should be trying to answer rather than whose particular fault it is (regardless of the fascination I and many others seem to have with reading "flame" posts).
We all seem to be looking for the same thing in FFXI. The chance to be recognized whether it's because you have 100 in a craft, you're in a Linkshell that just beat some ultra-mega boss, or you just got some abjuration. There are huge incentives at stake, and only the structure of a Linkshell with proper checks and balances can lead to stability and trust.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" Who will guard the guards themselves.
For anyone who is actually interested in talking about this further, about the structure of Linkshells if you've lead a Linkshell yourself or are well versed in how a certain Linkshell runs, I'd love to talk. Please PM me on these forums and we can chat over AIM or something.
Please feel free to point out everything wrong with what I have to say whether logically, grammatically, or philosophically, god knows I do it to all your posts lol.
Thanks for reading :)
Edited, Feb 25th 2007 9:57pm by Hephaestus
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Iron is teh suckzorz!
EH is teh suckzorz!
End-game LS's is teh suckzorz!
FFXI is teh suckzorz!
WoW is teh suckzorz!
RMT ruined this game.
I just saved us all days of our time.
EH is teh suckzorz!
End-game LS's is teh suckzorz!
FFXI is teh suckzorz!
WoW is teh suckzorz!
RMT ruined this game.
I just saved us all days of our time.
...just to reiterate.
yet you still won't even admit to who you are. Everyone here except for you has had the guts to either state who they are in game or create there account with there ffxi name. So honestly, if you were part of IRON, i'm glad I no longer have to deal with someone as immature as you. Also, you mention that Jawas is playing WoW? Well, let me clue you in. He's not playing WoW. He's not even playing another MMO. So yet again you say something like it's gospel when you are way way way off from the truth. In fact, the only reason why your here is to try to start drama over a shell that is no longer around. Grow up, and move on, and if you want to continue this, feel free to message me in game. At least that way, I'll have an idea of who you are and can mock you accordingly.
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well you can think what you want because i don't mind being considered newb that doesn't know anything about these things but sadly it isn't true and i had to deal with all your guys **** and wether or not jawas plays wow doesn't change the fact that there will still at least 10 old iron members preaching how things should have been done when they didn't play.
funny, only 4 old members of iron have posted in this thread that don't play or wern't in iron during the breakup. Jawas, Zylador, Hephaestus, and Invoky (very old iron, back before the days of our army of drks). I don't see that as 10 people who don't know what's going on. So please, post something truthful and not stretched, cause your showing to everyone here that you have absolutely no knowledge of what's going on, and zero credibility.
They don't need to show anyone that. They do it merely by posting a single word under a false account. My very first post (the second in the entire thread) says to take everything posted with a grain of salt. These people are tools of their own ego.
that is true gamion.
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Oh old iron members your all so great you don't play and yet think you have the right to post your opinions about things and somehow think your helping were you playing when the EH/IRON merger happened? no. were you playing when there were problem? hell no! were you there when the shell was ended? Of coarse not so you need to go back to WoW and sit at tredvolts feet like a good dog. and as for not wanting the merger to happen and refusing it well quite a few EH people said they didn't want it to happen but moonpie made it clear that you go or leave the shell because she doesn't listen to people unless she is going out with them.
1st off, I dont play WoW, please get your facts straight, well you have not posted any truth, including your name. Second thing, ig your LS EH, did not want to merge and the wishes of the LS were not listened too, than EH had bigger problems that would have destroyed your LS sooner or later.
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well you can think what you want because i don't mind being considered newb that doesn't know anything about these things but sadly it isn't true and i had to deal with all your guys sh*t and wether or not jawas plays wow doesn't change the fact that there will still at least 10 old iron members preaching how things should have been done when they didn't play.
Ok so you have a problem with older members that held leadership positions that were asked by Fuuk and Moonpie to help out? Honestly and this is not meant to be a dig at anyone, but there was a council of members that made sure the Genesis/IRON merger happened smoothly, and being a member of that council, at times I feel that did not interject enough in the merger to make sure mistakes werent made. But honestly looking at how many people are acting here, I feel most of you are just little children that did not get your way and just looking to cause drama to make yourself feel better.
As far as who you are, I could care less, you play an internet game, that sheilds you from the world. You have something to hide, maybe your one of the EH members that got kicked for botting? Maybe your just like to hide the fact that your father likes to touch you when your sleeping? Maybe your in the middle of those examples and you like to peanut butter on your balls and let your dog lick it off. Which ever is true, it doesnt bother me. You have a lot of negative feelings over a game, I think you need to stop playing and search for some help before you really hurt someone or yourself.
I am going to make this short but sweet: If IRON thinks that it acts in the name of equality and social justice, then it's sadly mistaken. First, the misinformation: IRON suggests that it is as innocent as a newborn lamb. Where the heck did it come up with that? Here's the answer, albeit in a somewhat circuitous and roundabout style: If you read between the lines of its hypnopompic insights, you'll indeed find that the basal lie that underlies all of its odious cop-outs is that passive-aggressive rascals have dramatically lower incidences of cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, and many other illnesses than the rest of us. Translation: We can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is. I doubt you need any help from me to identify the supreme idiocy of those views, but you should nevertheless be aware that IRON tries to make its expositions more palatable by wrapping them in rhetoric about the need to protect the interests of the disadvantaged and the downtrodden. I know you're wondering why I just wrote that. I'll explain shortly, but first, I should state that IRON contends that individual worth is defined by race, ethnicity, religion, or national origin. Sounds rather patronizing, doesn't it? Well, that's IRON for you. IRON is too foolhardy to reason with. Sadly, lack of space prevents me from elaborating further. IRON promises that if we give it and its mercenaries additional powers, it'll guard us from shambolic drug lords. My question, however is, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Who will guard the guards?
The truth hurts, doesn't it, IRON? Perhaps IRON has some sound arguments on its side, but if so, it's keeping them well hidden; all the arguments I've heard from it are completely unreasonable. IRON has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter.
The question that's on everyone's mind these days is, "Why do we put up with IRON?" In classic sophist fashion, I ask another question in reply: Is IRON hoping that the readers of this letter won't see the weakness of its argument relative to mine? Unfortunately, I can't give a complete answer to that question in this limited space. But I can tell you that some people don't seem to mind that IRON likes to prevent me from getting my work done. What an adversarial world we live in! Irrespective of one's feelings on the subject, IRON's helpers, who are legion, don't represent an ideology. They don't represent a legitimate political group of people. They're just flat unimaginative. IRON takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on it. It also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) its position. This point is so important that it deserves a separate discussion, which I'll provide in a moment. But first, let me just say that IRON's most progressive idea is to create a kind of psychic pain at the very root of the modern mind. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way.
It is our responsibility to ensure that IRON doesn't ****** the free and natural economic development of various countries' indigenous population. That is to say, as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the sorts of people IRON preys upon. Nonetheless, our battle with IRON is a battle between spiritualism and fetishism, between tradition and subversion, between the defenders of Western civilization and its enemies. With the battle lines drawn as such, it is abundantly clear that every time IRON tells its disciples that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live, their eyes roll into the backs of their heads as they become mindless receptacles of unsubstantiated information, which they accept without question. We must respect each other and learn to live together in peace. Then again, that notion has been popular for as long as sadism has existed.
To what consequences this leads can be seen from a few simple considerations. First of all, if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of IRON's suggestions, one is promptly condemned as brazen, vexatious, otiose, or whatever epithet IRON deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. IRON might destroy all tradition, all morality, and the entire democratic system sooner than you think. What are we to do then? Place blinders over our eyes and hope we don't see the horrible outcome? Oddly enough, IRON frequently writes self-contradictory, nonsensical "sentences" that are actually just phrases or sentence fragments filled with grammatical, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation errors. Stranger still, relative to just a few years ago, baleful, litigious morons are nearly ten times as likely to believe that "metanarratives" are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity. This is neither a coincidence nor simply a sign of the times. Rather, it reflects a sophisticated, psychological warfare program designed by IRON to work both sides of the political fence. We must do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on IRON's part to lure the ignorant into IRON's terrorist organization. We must denounce IRON's analects. And we must promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad. Please join me in incorporating these words into our living credo. Yes the above is a joke, wondering how many read the whole thing.
Edited, Feb 26th 2007 1:55pm by FearXI
The truth hurts, doesn't it, IRON? Perhaps IRON has some sound arguments on its side, but if so, it's keeping them well hidden; all the arguments I've heard from it are completely unreasonable. IRON has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter.
The question that's on everyone's mind these days is, "Why do we put up with IRON?" In classic sophist fashion, I ask another question in reply: Is IRON hoping that the readers of this letter won't see the weakness of its argument relative to mine? Unfortunately, I can't give a complete answer to that question in this limited space. But I can tell you that some people don't seem to mind that IRON likes to prevent me from getting my work done. What an adversarial world we live in! Irrespective of one's feelings on the subject, IRON's helpers, who are legion, don't represent an ideology. They don't represent a legitimate political group of people. They're just flat unimaginative. IRON takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on it. It also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) its position. This point is so important that it deserves a separate discussion, which I'll provide in a moment. But first, let me just say that IRON's most progressive idea is to create a kind of psychic pain at the very root of the modern mind. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way.
It is our responsibility to ensure that IRON doesn't ****** the free and natural economic development of various countries' indigenous population. That is to say, as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the sorts of people IRON preys upon. Nonetheless, our battle with IRON is a battle between spiritualism and fetishism, between tradition and subversion, between the defenders of Western civilization and its enemies. With the battle lines drawn as such, it is abundantly clear that every time IRON tells its disciples that it's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live, their eyes roll into the backs of their heads as they become mindless receptacles of unsubstantiated information, which they accept without question. We must respect each other and learn to live together in peace. Then again, that notion has been popular for as long as sadism has existed.
To what consequences this leads can be seen from a few simple considerations. First of all, if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of IRON's suggestions, one is promptly condemned as brazen, vexatious, otiose, or whatever epithet IRON deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. IRON might destroy all tradition, all morality, and the entire democratic system sooner than you think. What are we to do then? Place blinders over our eyes and hope we don't see the horrible outcome? Oddly enough, IRON frequently writes self-contradictory, nonsensical "sentences" that are actually just phrases or sentence fragments filled with grammatical, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation errors. Stranger still, relative to just a few years ago, baleful, litigious morons are nearly ten times as likely to believe that "metanarratives" are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity. This is neither a coincidence nor simply a sign of the times. Rather, it reflects a sophisticated, psychological warfare program designed by IRON to work both sides of the political fence. We must do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on IRON's part to lure the ignorant into IRON's terrorist organization. We must denounce IRON's analects. And we must promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad. Please join me in incorporating these words into our living credo. Yes the above is a joke, wondering how many read the whole thing.
Edited, Feb 26th 2007 1:55pm by FearXI
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this is fun i am sitting here enjoying all of this you guys are fun and as for being kicked again i will say i was never kicked if i was i wouldn't be here posting these things I'm posting all of this because i was and still am pissed that i put a year and a half worth of work into a ls and it merged with another and hit a tough spot and called it quits because they couldn't handle things being a little tough. and getting nothing for all the work that had been except tredlovt getting on saying EH wasn't able to handle it and were not good enough was good. oh and then after all of that watching 3 maybe 4 people getting great parting gifts because they wanted to call it quits while everyone else who was willing to tough it out got nothing more then "farewell and come join us on wow".
funny, I never wanted to call it quits. I wanted to see the ship righted. So again, your wrong on that. And again, with you refusing to say who you are, really brings to question about what your saying. Only thing I'm glad about is you getting nothing, cause your just showing day in and out that your nothing more then a worthless crybaby only looking out for yourself. wah wah iron broke and i got nothing, i deserve lootz but oh noez teh leaders didn't give me anything. I'm going to make a fake name on alla and bash them all making lies about who got what and exagerate and bag on how many former iron members all called me out on my stupidity cause internet annomity rulez.
This is almost as interesting a read as the official flame thread was back when it was in its prime. I miss that thread. *sighs*
Someone bring it back!!!!
On a serious note. IRON was a shell that was around for a long time. I'm sure many people had a good time in there. But, there is a sying that I've heard and it goes like this: "All good things must come to an end." And so, IRON has ended. Time to remember the good times had by all. Time to forget the bullsh*t that happened months and years ago. Time to forget the negativity. Time to just say **** it and move on.
Does it really matter what caused the shell to dwindle and crash in the end? No. Because it happened and there's nothing that can be done about it. Now the members have went their ways to different shells and maybe they can spread some of the knowledge that they obtained from being in IRON to those of us who are new to endgame activities.
So, out of something bad comes something good. That's the way of it and that will be the way of it until this game dies.
Someone bring it back!!!!
On a serious note. IRON was a shell that was around for a long time. I'm sure many people had a good time in there. But, there is a sying that I've heard and it goes like this: "All good things must come to an end." And so, IRON has ended. Time to remember the good times had by all. Time to forget the bullsh*t that happened months and years ago. Time to forget the negativity. Time to just say **** it and move on.
Does it really matter what caused the shell to dwindle and crash in the end? No. Because it happened and there's nothing that can be done about it. Now the members have went their ways to different shells and maybe they can spread some of the knowledge that they obtained from being in IRON to those of us who are new to endgame activities.
So, out of something bad comes something good. That's the way of it and that will be the way of it until this game dies.
Siroggel
Drg: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?160201
War: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?160345
(These are out of date, and I'm too lazy to keep up)
Bismarck
Drg: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?160201
War: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?160345
(These are out of date, and I'm too lazy to keep up)
Bismarck
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Someone bring it back!!!!
If I could find the thread I would. :D
What do soulless, unscrupulous toughies, disaffected segregationists, and LMASHAFTED have in common? If you answered, "They all reduce our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism," then pat yourself on the back. One of the first facts we should face is that LMASHAFTED has stated that there's no difference between normal people like you and me and intrusive, puerile upstarts. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that his equivocations enhance performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. Now that's just fork-tongued. In a similar vein, he is doing everything in his power to make me have a nervous breakdown. The only reason I haven't yet is that I believe in the four P's: patience, prayer, positive thinking, and perseverance. What judgmental thing is LMASHAFTED going to do next? Rescue defeatism from the rubbish heap of history, dust it off, slap on a coat of cheap sophistry, and market it as new and improved? Destroy the lives of good, honest people? Woo over callous rubes by using tactics such as scapegoating, reductionist and simplistic solutions, demagoguery, and a conspiracy theory of history? In any case, I apologize for giving LMASHAFTED these ideas, but I see how important his disdainful positions are to his satraps and I laugh. I laugh because I am not trying to save the world -- I gave up that pursuit a long time ago. But I am trying to perform noble deeds.
jawas wrote:
Maybe your just like to hide the fact that your father likes to touch you when your sleeping? Maybe your in the middle of those examples and you like to peanut butter on your balls and let your dog lick it off. Which ever is true, it doesnt bother me. You have a lot of negative feelings over a game, I think you need to stop playing and search for some help before you really hurt someone or yourself.
ROFL!!! That made my day
@FearXI: your post made me think of Linsay Lohan.....
Edited, Mar 1st 2007 2:54pm by bukkakr
Jeez, readin this thread, so compelling...I vanished from FF...from Iron...from EH...
I had a lot of fun, being with EH growing, getting better, killing, helping.
Then we joined IRON, **** I was proud.....most people were proud. That red pearl was a symbol.
Anyhow, I took a 10 day break from the game in early december...I was depressed because a lot of EH members and myself put a **** ton of effort into helping with kills and camping, hours on end, with nothing to show for it. yeah everyone had mad loot on their mind, and we seen a lot of mad loot. But, 90% of that loot went to 10% of the linkshell. I don't dissagree with the way things we're done I wouldn't have wanted to make those decisions thats for sure. You can never appeal to everyone. Anyway my 10 day break from the game was a free WoW subscription....which I made into a full account....I'm now a level 70 tauren Shaman on Executus...name's Bhor...I retired the name Qinnydar cuz well it just wouldn't be the same playing some big *** Tauren and not a damn sexy lil taru. =p
Wow is fun actually, just 5 people you can get pimp ****** gear and I'm about to raid the 10 man instances for epic gears and stuff...no 3 hour camps against chinese farmers, greedy pakistani's or w/e most of Unreal is =p (rude comment, so sorry!) No taking 2.5 hours to kill a ******* big *** dragon like Tiamat for a FU*CKIN EARTH CRYSTAL, WTF @ SE!!??
I do not for a second regret the short time I had with EH and the short time I had with Iron. I just burnt myself out...bewteen camping stuff, the petty drama(everyone was guilty) and some colisions in personalities with some people (WTF IS Dunpeald actually black or is he faking it? /sigh, oh well either way he's an ******** imo). I really wanted to see endgame and I saw it, just a little more than I could handle. It's amazing how complex end game FFx1 Linkshells are. I'm amazing that Iron and AD and Lunies all last as long as they have.
Thanks to all the people I fought with to down my first Nidhogg (damn good show to EH, Moon took charge like a pro on that). All of that was a lot of fun.
A lot of familar names I see, I hope you all are keeping well. But I think it's time for SE to let what was a great thing die.
I had a lot of fun, being with EH growing, getting better, killing, helping.
Then we joined IRON, **** I was proud.....most people were proud. That red pearl was a symbol.
Anyhow, I took a 10 day break from the game in early december...I was depressed because a lot of EH members and myself put a **** ton of effort into helping with kills and camping, hours on end, with nothing to show for it. yeah everyone had mad loot on their mind, and we seen a lot of mad loot. But, 90% of that loot went to 10% of the linkshell. I don't dissagree with the way things we're done I wouldn't have wanted to make those decisions thats for sure. You can never appeal to everyone. Anyway my 10 day break from the game was a free WoW subscription....which I made into a full account....I'm now a level 70 tauren Shaman on Executus...name's Bhor...I retired the name Qinnydar cuz well it just wouldn't be the same playing some big *** Tauren and not a damn sexy lil taru. =p
Wow is fun actually, just 5 people you can get pimp ****** gear and I'm about to raid the 10 man instances for epic gears and stuff...no 3 hour camps against chinese farmers, greedy pakistani's or w/e most of Unreal is =p (rude comment, so sorry!) No taking 2.5 hours to kill a ******* big *** dragon like Tiamat for a FU*CKIN EARTH CRYSTAL, WTF @ SE!!??
I do not for a second regret the short time I had with EH and the short time I had with Iron. I just burnt myself out...bewteen camping stuff, the petty drama(everyone was guilty) and some colisions in personalities with some people (WTF IS Dunpeald actually black or is he faking it? /sigh, oh well either way he's an ******** imo). I really wanted to see endgame and I saw it, just a little more than I could handle. It's amazing how complex end game FFx1 Linkshells are. I'm amazing that Iron and AD and Lunies all last as long as they have.
Thanks to all the people I fought with to down my first Nidhogg (damn good show to EH, Moon took charge like a pro on that). All of that was a lot of fun.
A lot of familar names I see, I hope you all are keeping well. But I think it's time for SE to let what was a great thing die.
Qinny! OMG nice to see you're alive :) 61 Night Elf Warrior on Medivh lol - WoW bug has me as well... for now. Missed ya^^ Keep in touch!
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I lol'd XD
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