Dark Knight = Cerberus's Herald? o.OFollow

The appeal in DRK is the name 1st of all.... "Dark Knight".
What newly lvl 30 graduated newb doesn't want to be called that?
I myself was a DRK as soon as I hit lvl 30, and remained one until 38 when I decided that I just wasn't enjoying myself, and at that point in my playing I had a much better grasp of other jobs roles, not just their Uber coolness factor. Now this is in no offense to the excellent, properly equiped, and "true" DRK's out there, that truley bring a positive element to the party, but it does explain the massively growing DRK population a little better.

Also, its the damage factor. People that are Melee-a-holics love the idea of uber powerful physical damage, and add to that, the thought of nuking in between for even more; but this just isn't the case. A DRK's elemental doesn't hold a candle to a BLM or even a RDM, because the focus of a DRK is physical attack, not INT. After about lvl 10 most DRK's stop caring about there elemental, and by the time they reach lvl 30+, dont even use it fighting anymore. They stick to BIO, Poison, and the ABS spells.

WoW, I'm rambling. This wasn't meant to trash DRK's in the least, I love DRK's, and have about 5 good DRK friends in-game. I enjoyed being a DRK for a long time. Both of the above reasons are why I think there are too many DRK's LFG in jueno these days. If people were to truly research what each job entitles, and what each jobs role is, we would see a huge influx of jobs like Bard. Too bad Bards aren't called "Dark Song Master", or we wud see 79 of them in valkrum this week.

I'm not belittling the job at all, I'm just frustrated with the amount of DRK's there are. I also love how a lot of them belittle the supportive jobs like WHM and BRD, saying how they are sissies and are boring jobs to play, yet they depend on those jobs so much. ;_;

Edit: Also, I have only partied ONCE with a bard ever in valkurm dunes, and didn't even get to enjoy a Mage's Ballad at 25+ at all or any of the cooler songs. Samurai is another rare job I don't get to play with. I would safely say that 75% of the time there was at least 1 DRK in the party.

Edited, Mon Sep 6 13:46:00 2004 by Windymage

This newly lvl 30 graduated newb ^.^
I'm not dark... I'm, as many people know me (for reasons that I will never understand...) "holy"... it scares me. Everyone thinks that I don't have the ability to be evil... scary. No WAY could I ever be dark, in many's opinions -_-;
Sad part is, I agree with them. I scare myself -_-;;
Grr.

*runs away*

I have a DRK and a Brd inmy static and it is pretty great.

The DRK knows when to magic burst for a double MB every skillchain and he is a master at stun. SO we dont get hit with stuff like tornado or other high damage dealing attacks.

I guess the point is that drk's are preety good characters and as long as you have a well balanced group having a drk is pretty great.

Man, I'm fearing when I get Stun...my timing is such crap... I'm still trying to work out the double bursts, granted it'd be easier if we were double-chaining more often and I got the timing just right... as it stands it's easier for our SAM to do single-chains with different members of the party.

Even though it's a bit off topic, I like farming with my MNK42/THF15. With Monk having counter, raging fists, and chakra, I can run through farming goobbues, black tigers, etc. pretty easily. Obviously THF15 is pretty much a must. :-) Good Luck.

EDIT: Doh! This was supposed to be attached to the above post. Stupid noob tendencies. :-/

Edited, Tue Sep 7 13:32:06 2004 by LeetFade

Hrm... I'm a dark... wonder if I should put Mages Rule in my search banter... Would I get parties then?
I'll be the first to say that a skill chain is worthless without a BLM's burst. They do hella damage with their bursts.
I giggle when I try to burst 39 point burst??? Umm... Ok, if I was a BLM I'd be at like 390. But 39 on a burst? With capped Magic?
So for the darks saying that mages are useless, drop it.
There are some of us out there who are trying to advance a job and are tired of the bad karma going around.
The only spells I use are my absorb spells and my drain/aspir spells. The rest are like parlor tricks, and frankly a waste of MP.

hey now... Thrilla is the only DRK I can look up to.
He told me last night not to give up... If he can get up there, so can I :-)


yeah, the dark combos are scary. DRK/mage? whats that?
Still confused about DRK/PLD Is that a really good combo, or are you just basically a War without a sub? just seems like it would cancel one another out.

ahem.... <steps on soapbox>

#1 Queen Nooben doesn't know what Lufet's Salt is for. and you call yourself Sandorian....

#2 DRK is just as expensive as any other DD job, end of discussion.

#3 Finding a good DRK is like finding a needle in a haystack. Look in their search comments for their subs and gear, that will give you a hint if they care about being good at their jobs. Just because there are lots of bad ones, doesn't mean that we are all bad. But there are a handful of us OBSESSED with being solid DD's (because there are so many not so good ones) Putting Sniper Ring, Haubergeon or Weapon Abilities in search is not bragging, but showcasing what we are capable of doing in an xp party.

#4 Aside from a Ranger counterpart, I absolutely love a DRG in an xp party. /holla Dragoons

#5 Be wary of any DRK that brags about taking Hate i.e. Souleater > Last Resort > Weaponskill from a tank or rags on a mage for not doing their job. The last thing I want is to take conecutive hits for more than 15 seconds on an IT mob. If a whm doesn't have time to haste every round or a rdm forgets to refresh every half second, then that DRK is high maintenance and not worth the effort (and will slow your pt down). ON the flip side mages, our Drain doesn't count as cure (that's mere survival)...so if you see us in red, please be so kind to throw us a Cure3.

#6 Queen Nooben smells funny on Wednesday nights.

#7 We hit hard, we debuff and we can save your butt from special attacks. If that isn't versatile I don't know what is. Take the time to explore all the options a DRK has to offer, and you may change your mind about them.

#8 Queen Nooben has a date with Cancer on Sunday October 10 for slighting Thrilla on an Alla forum. And yes Thrilla is using 3rd person to emphasize Noobens dig on Thrilla.

#9 I would say the Look, Title and Persona of being DRK is only 10 percent of why I chose this job. Refer to #3 and #7.

#10 I'm gonna make DRK/SMN the next best thing. LOOKOUT! Scythe wielding GALKA with Titan chargin at ya!

Finally, I just found this thread tonight. I've seen similar ones, and this one is fairly chill in comparison. But i still don't understand why this sparks so much discussion. Just be smart with your party member choices...how i just HAD to sound off since I never had before.

p.s.
Nooben smells, not just on Wednesday, but everyday. But that's why I <3 you.

I'm surprised people are replying to this recently, after I posted this weeks ago.

Basically put:

As there are alot of bad DRK's (in proportion to other jobs, DRK is more widely played, so you will see alot of bad DRK's as opposed to to the minimal amount of BRD's that play with only one or two people here or there that take a Cornette and nothing but a Cornette from 1-30) there are alot of other jobs. I mean I play a WHM and I try to take pride in my ability to keep the party alive and staying till the party breaks up. Whenever I level other jobs, most notably my melee jobs, it is always, Always, ALWAYS the WHM that screws us over when, either
a) They level and say "Guys, I gotta go"
b) They level and mysteriously disconnect (this happened to be twice when I was leveling BLM once and THF another in Sea Serpent Grotto) - you try finding a replacement healer to come and find their way to Sea Serpent Grotto one evening.
c) When you make it to the party, like after traveling for 25 minutes to get to it, the WHM has to go.

All of these WHM's are giving a bad name to mine, and someone (it was a DRK) flipped a b*tch on me when we were leveling with my WHM in Western Altepa from 41-43. There was a JP galka PLD, a RNG, a THF, a fairly retarded RDM, myself the WHM, and the DRK. At one point, I said as a joke that DRK's were such a hassle to keep healed. Yes, this was a DRK that thought he needed refresh just as badly as I did, and he had a "refresh plz <call#>" macro. He blew up by saying that all WHM's were arrogant little b*itches and that we think we are gods and everyone owes us big time. I was so startled with the way he just started screaming, I wondered if there were alot of the aforementioned WHM's on the server. Oh well.

This has been said time and time again, DRK's need to know when to time their abilties, such as not doing Soul Eater, Berserk and Last Resort all at once - and even then, if they HAVE to do all three, they should use it to end a skillchain then turn off a few of these buffs.

As it is true that there are alot of moronic DRK's, my biggest point was that it is the most populated job on the server. Lately, alot of RDM's have been getting on my nerves. RDM is the biggest noob magnet job you will see, because they think :

A) I am the best, I can use a sword, so that means I excel with it! (NO!)
B) I am the best, I can use black magic and nuke stuff! (NO! You are primarily a enfeebler, and only a Tarutaru RDM/BLM with INT plus gear could compete with a BLM in this sense)
C) I think the best way to use my MP is to use an En-spell, and nuke a monster - ***** healing. (NO! A RDM CAN melee, but they are nowhere close as to let's say a WAR. RDM's aside from enfeebling, are just as good as healing as a WHM, but later on they will need to worry about other tasks such as enfeebling, dispelling, refreshing, and converting when it's right)

I consider a RDM to be divided between the WAR, WHM and BLM jobs in this manner, enfeebling magic put aside :

5/10 WHM, 3/10 BLM, 2/10 WAR.

So many newb's/noob's are disgracing the RDM job on our server, and that's not even counting the half-assed gear some of them have. And I mean, these RDM's that I play with are like 20-30, but when they start refusing to listen to a parties advice, I seriously doubt they'll get past 35, let alone 41. And I have played with bad RDM's at 41+, alot of them blindly guessing when to refresh and dispel. One of the ones I played with was with my THF in the 36-38 region, and he was a RDM/DRG. He kept saying how people thought he was crazy for using DRG as a sub, but "it gave him good melee capabilities". NO! You are a red mage not a red fighter. >_< If you really want melee capabilities, do something else for god sakes, not DRG. NIN, WAR, DRK, anything but DRG. DRG just doesn't make a good sub plain and simple.

Here's another funny story, just when my WHM was reaching the level 30 threshold months ago. A friend of mine was leveling her BLM at the same level. I noticed she would sometimes melee with a Small Sword, which is wieldable by BLM's. It was a little later that I noticed she only had a level 5 WAR sub. I asked her why war, and she said she wanted to have skill in sword, since BLM's don't have it naturally. I asked her why didn't she just level her RDM to 15 so she could use that as a sub, and still have sword skill. Her response? "War's have better sword skill than RDM's". Oh yes, a level 5 WAR will have better sword skill than a level 15 RDM. >_<

There are morons in almost every job. NIN's who can't be bothered to get ninja spells, or spend money on tools. PLD's with gear outdated by 10 levels. BLM's missing spells for levels and levels. SAM's who can't SC. SMN's without avatars. RNG's with no/low/cheap arrows. The list goes on and on. For what's worth though, I noticed a lot less dumb people in the MNK and BRD jobs, mainly because the MNK's take time from their jobs to level other jobs and do other things while they are saving up for their ungodly expensive gear, and realize how much they'll contribute to the party with them, and BRD's because their job is so complex, and play it for awhile - except for the ones that are too cheap to buy anything except a Cornette.

My main point of the thread though was that in proportion to the other jobs, there are alot more DRK's in the jobs, and likewise alot more morons playing the jobs.

See you later guys! =)