My RL job involves finding out the truth... And I am a curious person.
Since gilfarmers are fairly common in our server, how prominent is gil buying in our server? Half of the players? 1/4? Or less? I have no idea.
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Its impossible to know, since most of the gilbuyers doesent excactly shout it out^^
I unfortunately know a few that do it consistently. :-/
lol you never know, there are always the people who like to brag about how they went and spent their money on gil =P
I myself know a few people who buys gil too. They are actually very nice players.
I know I posed a very sensentive question. A lot of people do not want to answer it for that reason.
I know I posed a very sensentive question. A lot of people do not want to answer it for that reason.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
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Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
The gil this I really don't have an issue with to be honest. Some people don't have the time to farm for months to get what they want. Hell....you can all flame me but if I was say...a situation where I was trying to hold down 2 jobs and had kids to take care off there might be none to little time to play. In case like that where I just barely had time to play I would most likely buy gil. I know people who have bought gil and they are great players. I guess is pretty much about your situation.
how're we sposed to kno how many people on the server buy gil...
WHEN LIKE 1/4ths OF THEM ARE GILSELLERS! lol
but seriously, im even thinkin of buying gil after i get a job and such. no offense but i dont wanna be farming for 2 months, like my friend citrine, just for one peice of equipment, like ochuido's kote. even tho working hard gives u the happy feelin u earned that nice equip, but u also worked hard for that RL money that bought u gil, so id say its about the same-ish...
WHEN LIKE 1/4ths OF THEM ARE GILSELLERS! lol
but seriously, im even thinkin of buying gil after i get a job and such. no offense but i dont wanna be farming for 2 months, like my friend citrine, just for one peice of equipment, like ochuido's kote. even tho working hard gives u the happy feelin u earned that nice equip, but u also worked hard for that RL money that bought u gil, so id say its about the same-ish...
It is a difficult ethical issue. I understand your position too, Stryker and Desnia. I myself have a paid salary. I can easily paid for 1 million gil if I really wanted to.
I have been very tempted to buy gil, but I am also who want to play by the rules of the game. Camping Kote is not that horrible when there are no gil farmers or botters.
Gil farmers and botting feedbacks to the system to encourage others to do so too, or to use other methods to aquire the Kote.
I have been very tempted to buy gil, but I am also who want to play by the rules of the game. Camping Kote is not that horrible when there are no gil farmers or botters.
Gil farmers and botting feedbacks to the system to encourage others to do so too, or to use other methods to aquire the Kote.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I personally have not bought gil, but I'm not against people doing so either. Yes, the TOS says buying gil isn't allowed but what would be the difference between saying "Hey friend of mine, if you give me a certain amount of gil, I will do an equivalent amount of favours for you in order to make it worth your while" - just like bartering.
Money just makes it a little more tangible.
Anyway, if people buy gil - so be it. The gil itself is already in the economy. SOMEONE whether it be you or a gil farmer, took the time to get it. You are paying them for their time. Rather than for the gil. That's the way I see it.
People on this server forum seem to be a lot more mature and sensible than those on the main forum about gil farmers.
MPKing by gil farmers and how gil farmers "ruin" camping for other players is an entirely different issue though.
Money just makes it a little more tangible.
Anyway, if people buy gil - so be it. The gil itself is already in the economy. SOMEONE whether it be you or a gil farmer, took the time to get it. You are paying them for their time. Rather than for the gil. That's the way I see it.
People on this server forum seem to be a lot more mature and sensible than those on the main forum about gil farmers.
MPKing by gil farmers and how gil farmers "ruin" camping for other players is an entirely different issue though.
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MPKing by gil farmers and how gil farmers "ruin" camping for other players is an entirely different issue though.
That is really the key point here. I personally have no control and will not tell people how to spend their money. It is your hard earned salary. It is your right to determine how to use it -- unless you are buying drugs with that money or something of that nature.
I have once suggested to have SE to sell gil themselves. That would have removed the problem how gil farmers aquire their gil (which is the ultimate reason of this discussion). For gil buying players, you have to remember the gil that is aquired from gil farmers involve "********" with other players.
People who choose to earn their gil the hard way should be treated properly. To have one's enjoyment by scracifing some others is double standard and unfair.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I can see the arguments, but as a poor student myself I can't afford to buy that kind of stuff. Personally, the people who I know are gil sellers are the ones who congest nm sites and work together to shut out other people who need things from those mobs. So it's a double edge sword :(. But, in the end what ever makes your playing experience a fun one is what counts, we just have different ways of achieving that...
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I can see the arguments, but as a poor student myself I can't afford to buy that kind of stuff. Personally, the people who I know are gil sellers are the ones who congest nm sites and work together to shut out other people who need things from those mobs
There are no obvious solution that would make everyone happy. However, as a customer to SE, I believe everyone have the right to have fun in the game. You paid for the game, and if you cannot have fun, why pay for the game?
Whatever is ruining game experience should be considered a legitimate complain to the customer service.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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heres a solution no one does
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Last night (Thursday night) I saw the same gilsellers farming the same goobbues in Zitah, while listening to reports of gilsellers camping NMs all over the place. After hearing that a gilseller was holding ownership of the morion worm to drive the AH price up on the tathlum, I lost my temper a bit. I called a GM immediately, even though everyone said they would just tell me there was nothing they can do about it and I would be banned if I called them more than once. I was contacted by a GM, who, after I told him how fed up I was, informed me that he plays FFXI on a different server and was also really irritated about the gilseller situation. His suggestion to me, which makes a whole lot of sense, was to bypass the GMs. They don't hold the power in the game. He suggested we use the POL support system and get EVERYONE we know to send emails complaining about how the gilsellers ruin the game. Think of it as a petition. He said the POL support emails actually go to SE, whereas the GM calls end at the GMs. If we get enough people to send these emails, maybe they will take notice. PLEASE send an email, preferably one every day (even if it's just a copy of the same email each day) to let them know how much we hate these gilsellers. Things you can include in the email:
*Driving AH prices up so noone can afford the gear they need
*MPKing people with their pulls to ensure they can claim the NMs
*Holding ownership of NMs to keep others from getting the item
*Preventing other people from farming items to afford gear they will ACTUALLY USE
*Include any personal stories you can think of (hell, make one up, if you wish) on how these gilsellers ruin the game for you and your friends
You might even want to remind them that World of Warcraft is about to go gold, as well as mentioning the recent release of Everquest 2. If SE believes the gilsellers will cause them to lose more accounts than they are paying for, SE will be forced to do something. Afterall, MONEY is the problem for us, so let's show them that it could turn into THEIR problem, too!
The email support can be found after logging in to POL and selecting Final Fantasy XI. Go into "Service and Support", select Support, then "E-mail support". It will ask you what category you want the email classified as. I suggest putting it in as a "Problem report" to get it some much needed attention. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS!
*Driving AH prices up so noone can afford the gear they need
*MPKing people with their pulls to ensure they can claim the NMs
*Holding ownership of NMs to keep others from getting the item
*Preventing other people from farming items to afford gear they will ACTUALLY USE
*Include any personal stories you can think of (hell, make one up, if you wish) on how these gilsellers ruin the game for you and your friends
You might even want to remind them that World of Warcraft is about to go gold, as well as mentioning the recent release of Everquest 2. If SE believes the gilsellers will cause them to lose more accounts than they are paying for, SE will be forced to do something. Afterall, MONEY is the problem for us, so let's show them that it could turn into THEIR problem, too!
The email support can be found after logging in to POL and selecting Final Fantasy XI. Go into "Service and Support", select Support, then "E-mail support". It will ask you what category you want the email classified as. I suggest putting it in as a "Problem report" to get it some much needed attention. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS!
I've said it before in a lot of other forums, but gil selling is gonna be around. You might as well just live with it. I've played about 5 games just like this in the past 2 years and they've all had gill sellers (hidden or not hidden). I remember when "gil selling" became a hot item. It really started out on Ebay as far as I know..maybe even before then......So do you say E-Bay needs to go down?
I have a hard time figuring out people's anger over gil selling. I don't think it is right or wrong I'm pretty much total in the middle because I think it would be a friggin GREAT business venture right now and whoever owns these gil selling companies probably makes a boatload of money and it was very entreprenial - that's my business man's take on it.
One of my questions tho specifically about this game is that I think perhaps some people are more pissed than others about it because the people selling the gil aren't America. Call it a crazy idea, but I think the sellers being JP or Chinese or whatever really add some fuel to the fire. If it was gamestop.com selling the gil I don't think you'd see as many people that had issues with it.
I have a hard time figuring out people's anger over gil selling. I don't think it is right or wrong I'm pretty much total in the middle because I think it would be a friggin GREAT business venture right now and whoever owns these gil selling companies probably makes a boatload of money and it was very entreprenial - that's my business man's take on it.
One of my questions tho specifically about this game is that I think perhaps some people are more pissed than others about it because the people selling the gil aren't America. Call it a crazy idea, but I think the sellers being JP or Chinese or whatever really add some fuel to the fire. If it was gamestop.com selling the gil I don't think you'd see as many people that had issues with it.
Not that it has anything to do with the thread:
It's still their call on how to spend their money, even if its not the right choice its theirs, and thats all i can see people doing buying gil, personally, i think if buying gil is cheating, then so are power levels, both of these things just give you a leg up on one thing.
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It is your hard earned salary. It is your right to determine how to use it -- unless you are buying drugs with that money or something of that nature.
It's still their call on how to spend their money, even if its not the right choice its theirs, and thats all i can see people doing buying gil, personally, i think if buying gil is cheating, then so are power levels, both of these things just give you a leg up on one thing.
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