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Now i for one am confused here. Isn't it suppose to be the other way around? How is SE going to ban people who buy gil? When was this decision made? and where did this info come from? What happens to people who have mules and trade large somes to there main character? Seriously anyone have answers to my questions? {please help me out!} thank you all!
wow, ive never heard of this, and dont know where u got this info at.
but yeah i have 200K sitting in my mules house waitin to be transfered to me???
{hmmm}
but yeah i have 200K sitting in my mules house waitin to be transfered to me???
{hmmm}
DAMN SE for controlling how I spend my hard earned USD (not supporting gil buying/selling, just upset I don't have the freedom to spend my money how I'd like. If I want to put $50 into gil instead of buying another video game for the next month, that should be my perogative.).
yea, I too have heard about this, and it was actually SE who released the statement. They are trying to crack down on BOTH gil sellers AND buyers. Reason being... just like drugs... if there weren't people buying and supporting the sellers, there wouldn't be a seller problem to begin with. At least that's how "the man" sees it. However, other could be just as true... if there's no sellers, no one can buy...
However, I would think there's more buyers than sellers... usually that's how it works with supply and demand... so I find it slightly odd that SE would rather close MORE accounts from banning buyers than SOME accounts from banning sellers. Whatever, if they're that bitter about things... it's their $12.95 each player.
I've heard IGN has also decided to leave the gil selling trade, but I've also been told that all this is hear-say rumors and/or scare tactics on behalf of SE. I'm sure if they see you're transfering 1.5 mil from Content ID #x to Content ID #y, there's no problem. Personally, I think it's going to be very difficult for SE to nail gil sellers/buyers unless the negotiation is done in game and on their servers. The only other way is by obtaining content ID's of gil seller's deliveries and back track. However, by this time, it is after the fact and I would assume there'd be more Content ID's listed than SE would like to suspend.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 16:25:29 2004 by ElvaanKrem
yea, I too have heard about this, and it was actually SE who released the statement. They are trying to crack down on BOTH gil sellers AND buyers. Reason being... just like drugs... if there weren't people buying and supporting the sellers, there wouldn't be a seller problem to begin with. At least that's how "the man" sees it. However, other could be just as true... if there's no sellers, no one can buy...
However, I would think there's more buyers than sellers... usually that's how it works with supply and demand... so I find it slightly odd that SE would rather close MORE accounts from banning buyers than SOME accounts from banning sellers. Whatever, if they're that bitter about things... it's their $12.95 each player.
I've heard IGN has also decided to leave the gil selling trade, but I've also been told that all this is hear-say rumors and/or scare tactics on behalf of SE. I'm sure if they see you're transfering 1.5 mil from Content ID #x to Content ID #y, there's no problem. Personally, I think it's going to be very difficult for SE to nail gil sellers/buyers unless the negotiation is done in game and on their servers. The only other way is by obtaining content ID's of gil seller's deliveries and back track. However, by this time, it is after the fact and I would assume there'd be more Content ID's listed than SE would like to suspend.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 16:25:29 2004 by ElvaanKrem
Yes they are banning gil buyers. I think they can tell that if you are transferring large some of money to another character on the same account that it's probably not a gil sale, however. I think mule funds transfers are fine.
no, I think it'll be tougher than that... I mean, they can't ban anyone for sending large amounts of gil... that's just plain retarded.
Couple examples:
BCNM profits... one person sells all drops and distributes proceeds evenly. All of a sudden, one person is sending out 200k to 5 different people (might be exageration, only done BCNM20 so far)... does this make them a gil seller?
Purchasing items external to the AH. LS mate or friend says they have item X they can sell you for Y gil... so you send them massive load (Y) of gil.
Paying back debts... I had a friend purchase me a Monster Signa... that's 370k. If I were to repay him in one lump payment, would that make me a gilseller?
Loaning gil to friend... Same friend as fore mentioned needs a 2.5 mil body armor... If I sent him 500k so he could get it, would that make me a gil seller?
So as you can see, there's many reasons for transferring lots of gil... however, I can understand 2 - 5 mil is a bit excessive, some people do carry that around as change.
Couple examples:
BCNM profits... one person sells all drops and distributes proceeds evenly. All of a sudden, one person is sending out 200k to 5 different people (might be exageration, only done BCNM20 so far)... does this make them a gil seller?
Purchasing items external to the AH. LS mate or friend says they have item X they can sell you for Y gil... so you send them massive load (Y) of gil.
Paying back debts... I had a friend purchase me a Monster Signa... that's 370k. If I were to repay him in one lump payment, would that make me a gilseller?
Loaning gil to friend... Same friend as fore mentioned needs a 2.5 mil body armor... If I sent him 500k so he could get it, would that make me a gil seller?
So as you can see, there's many reasons for transferring lots of gil... however, I can understand 2 - 5 mil is a bit excessive, some people do carry that around as change.
I think a good way to catch gil buy/sell is to see if a group of accounts have constant transfer (in/out) of large amount of gil.
It should not be too hard to disinguish if some HNM LSs (like KnightsOfNi) are transfering gil between memebers. It took only some basic server demographics research to tell who's who in game server.
Even if an idividual player managed to camped Argus and become rich for a short period of time, that player will still not be able to constantly transfering in-out gil.
It will take a little monitoring, but it is "doable". Sounds like GM have now more stuff to do ^^
It should not be too hard to disinguish if some HNM LSs (like KnightsOfNi) are transfering gil between memebers. It took only some basic server demographics research to tell who's who in game server.
Even if an idividual player managed to camped Argus and become rich for a short period of time, that player will still not be able to constantly transfering in-out gil.
It will take a little monitoring, but it is "doable". Sounds like GM have now more stuff to do ^^
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So SE did release the info by any chance Krem do you have the link to the site or any site for that matter that has this statement? I'm impressed that SE would strike the heart of the demand rather then the supply. So what happens if a friend wants a large amount of gil? and you send it to them IE mog house? how would that work? I see couple flaws in SE way to ban buyers, and unfair at that to none buyers as well. Another example Gillseller Y sends person X money to mog house. What if person X didnt even buy gil and its still sent to the mog house on accident? Will that person be banned to just because he was sent something he didnt order? lol SE gotta do something better then that.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 16:38:54 2004 by vanderblunt
Edited, Tue Dec 7 16:38:54 2004 by vanderblunt
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What if person X didnt even buy gil and its still sent to the mog house on accident? Will that person be banned to just because he was sent something he didnt order? lol SE gotta do something better then that.
Another reason I don't think they will... it seems too flawed to ban gil buyers. The only reliable way to do so is find the seller first, then track thru the records (which costs SE time and money) to find those who've received gil from seller. Then they would have to ban buyer as well. So they spend time and money to loose money by cancelling accounts... doesn't sound very probable nor profitable. Chances are, they're focussing more on the Gil sellers who are training on people and making it hard for others to enjoy the game. Those gil buyers will probably also suffer consequences, however, I believe that's only if the negotiation was taken place in game (like in Frederz thread).
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I've spent the last 15 min looking over POL's website and cannot find any discussion on this matter, or the matter of gil selling/buying in general, and am therefore concidering it, as fore mentioned, as rumor and/or hearsay.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 16:56:39 2004 by ElvaanKrem
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yeah i read frederz thread poor guy... I think SE should re think what they should do, as to what they are saying because it seems they will lose a large amounts of money if they tried to ban both. Though i see where they are coming from, you ban the buyers the sellers have NO ONE to sell too, and will eventually just give up and go home. However i demand a plan B! they must have a plan B!
/sarcasm damn you SE i dont buy gil but i send millions of millions to my mules to main and vise versa! I make my millions of millions doing legit means of gaining gil I CAMP STROPER CHYME! and other mobs! with my homeboy kittylili! /endsarcasm
man that blows so what happens if SOMEONE buys gil FOR you as a gift then what?
man that blows so what happens if SOMEONE buys gil FOR you as a gift then what?
You mean if they buy gil and send it to you from their character to yours? Or they buy gil and it's sent to you directly?
The way I see it, in the first case they'd get banned, in the second you'd get banned. SE has no way to tell if you actually bought gil or not, but if they see you getting sent gil by a known gilseller I'm pretty sure they'd zap you.
The way I see it, in the first case they'd get banned, in the second you'd get banned. SE has no way to tell if you actually bought gil or not, but if they see you getting sent gil by a known gilseller I'm pretty sure they'd zap you.
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SE has no way to tell if you actually bought gil or not, but if they see you getting sent gil by a known gilseller I'm pretty sure they'd zap you.
Yea... funny how that works... cause you'd think the known gilseller would be banned if he/she were "known".
...ok..maybe im just a ****** for my idea...
but wouldnt having a gm go under cover be the best way?
GM buys gil for a not known account
Person selling: <unknowngm> you have recieved your gil and is in your delivery box.
gm takes this person and boots em...wouldnt that be a much simpler sollution?
but wouldnt having a gm go under cover be the best way?
GM buys gil for a not known account
Person selling: <unknowngm> you have recieved your gil and is in your delivery box.
gm takes this person and boots em...wouldnt that be a much simpler sollution?
no a GM cannot go undercover, because IGE's and all other gil selling websites state that Square employee's may not purchase or view their website...
SE does everything by the book... and plus, even if they did go underover they wouldnt be able to do **** about it...
as for banning gil buyers... thats ALWAYS been like.. perhaps one should take a look at the terms of service of Square Enix.
SE does everything by the book... and plus, even if they did go underover they wouldnt be able to do **** about it...
as for banning gil buyers... thats ALWAYS been like.. perhaps one should take a look at the terms of service of Square Enix.
There's always away around these things.. just like there's a way around scalping tickets. (I'm throwing humor in the database, I'm not saying hey, this is how you need to do it)
I'm selling a beautiful piece of Scott Toilet paper for the low price of 200 dollars. act now, and I'll throw in a front row ticket to Madonna's concert for FREE.
No scalping involved, ticket was FREE.
You pay 20 dollars for a players guide to be emailed to you, and you get 300,000 gil FREE.
No, not trying to defend gil buyer/seller... just saying SE is going overboard if you ask me. Is it to say I could have my account banned if I let a friend of mine log on and farm for me? It's my account... I didn't farm my own gil.
you'd think with all the competition out there for games, SE would lay off. I'm to assume Federez was banned for his run in with Luckmoon??
Hey, I'd be happy to see the bots leave those NMs alone... I want my boots!
I'm selling a beautiful piece of Scott Toilet paper for the low price of 200 dollars. act now, and I'll throw in a front row ticket to Madonna's concert for FREE.
No scalping involved, ticket was FREE.
You pay 20 dollars for a players guide to be emailed to you, and you get 300,000 gil FREE.
No, not trying to defend gil buyer/seller... just saying SE is going overboard if you ask me. Is it to say I could have my account banned if I let a friend of mine log on and farm for me? It's my account... I didn't farm my own gil.
you'd think with all the competition out there for games, SE would lay off. I'm to assume Federez was banned for his run in with Luckmoon??
Hey, I'd be happy to see the bots leave those NMs alone... I want my boots!
The most simple way to do this, and I've considering pitching this to SE, is have a small group of actual players buy gil. Once they receive their gil, they leave it in their DBox so the GMs can see who sent it and when. If this was prearranged, they can't ban the users because it's just like cops going in and buying drugs, then busting the dealers. However, this keeps SE out of legal trouble because THEY didn't go to the IGE site. They had players do it. :-b
Now SE would have to let those players keep the gil because otherwise they're out 20, 50 or however much they decide to spend on the gil. LoL. It's a win-win. /slap SE. There are ways to do this.
Now SE would have to let those players keep the gil because otherwise they're out 20, 50 or however much they decide to spend on the gil. LoL. It's a win-win. /slap SE. There are ways to do this.
Sheppard, Leet, your ideas are very similar in context... only difference is in one example, the UC is a GM... in another example, the UC is a random player. Either way, it is still entrapment. ; ;
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What i meant to say was someone buys gil for you without you knowing as a gift. Tells the seller to send it to your account.
Example Person A does not play ffxi but buys Person B gil as a gift. Person A tells Seller X (as in X out sellers lol) to send gil to person B.
In other words its unfair to ban Person B just because Person A bought Person B gil from Seller X.
Its like saying you never bought gil but it got sent to you anyway.
I honestly think if SE is going to ban the buyer they sure as hell better have a pure positive way that you where the buyer. Cause if thats the case you could ban someones account by just buying gil for them and having it be sent to thier character. Not saying that this is a good idea, but imagine it someone spammed your MH delivery box with 1000k bought from a real money trader to get you booted from ffxi.
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You mean if they buy gil and send it to you from their character to yours? Or they buy gil and it's sent to you directly?
The way I see it, in the first case they'd get banned, in the second you'd get banned. SE has no way to tell if you actually bought gil or not, but if they see you getting sent gil by a known gilseller I'm pretty sure they'd zap you.
The way I see it, in the first case they'd get banned, in the second you'd get banned. SE has no way to tell if you actually bought gil or not, but if they see you getting sent gil by a known gilseller I'm pretty sure they'd zap you.
What i meant to say was someone buys gil for you without you knowing as a gift. Tells the seller to send it to your account.
Example Person A does not play ffxi but buys Person B gil as a gift. Person A tells Seller X (as in X out sellers lol) to send gil to person B.
In other words its unfair to ban Person B just because Person A bought Person B gil from Seller X.
Its like saying you never bought gil but it got sent to you anyway.
I honestly think if SE is going to ban the buyer they sure as hell better have a pure positive way that you where the buyer. Cause if thats the case you could ban someones account by just buying gil for them and having it be sent to thier character. Not saying that this is a good idea, but imagine it someone spammed your MH delivery box with 1000k bought from a real money trader to get you booted from ffxi.
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I honestly think if SE is going to ban the buyer they sure as hell better have a pure positive way that you where the buyer. Cause if thats the case you could ban someones account by just buying gil for them and having it be sent to thier character. Not saying that this is a good idea, but imagine it someone spammed your MH delivery box with 1000k bought from a real money trader to get you booted from ffxi.
If anyone hates me or I have wronged you in anyway.. Please, for the love of .... tell me, don't do that. LoL.. That would be so mean..
Now I'm worried about sending the gil I have been saving on my mule for raise3 to my husbands char. I guess I'll just have to have my mule take a trip to Jueno eventually.
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Cause if thats the case you could ban someones account by just buying gil for them and having it be sent to thier character. Not saying that this is a good idea, but imagine it someone spammed your MH delivery box with 1000k bought from a real money trader to get you booted from ffxi.
Hey nymia isnt that a scary thought? /shudders
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I honestly think if SE is going to ban the buyer they sure as hell better have a pure positive way that you where the buyer. Cause if thats the case you could ban someones account by just buying gil for them and having it be sent to thier character. Not saying that this is a good idea, but imagine it someone spammed your MH delivery box with 1000k bought from a real money trader to get you booted from ffxi.
Firstly, I agree... they'd better have proof... they'd better have a copy of my invoice, or my CC statment or something. Otherwise they have no concrete evidence and could be removing viable innocent accounts. It happened a couple of times with bots... and I'm sure it will happen a couple of times with gilselling/buying.. however, I do hope that SE realizes there's tons more room for error with this subject than fish botting.
As for someone getting my account banned for "buying gil" for me... not only would they have to buy the gil (if someone wants to spend $50-$200 USD to get me out of a MMORPG... I'll be flattered), but I would still have to be caught... which means said person would probably have to report a "suspicion of gil buying" on my behalf to get a GM investigating.
The population of VD across all servers is over 1.5 million now... and on cerberus it can get up close to 5k. I don't think GM's have the time in their day between GM calls to monitor Delivery boxes... more than likely, they will only investigate if brought to their attention.
Edited, Wed Dec 8 14:26:36 2004 by ElvaanKrem
ElvaanKrem wrote
Very well put krem hence as i would like to say as well. SE better have another way to figure this out. Cause right now a bunch of gameplayers/posters here know without a doubt there are FLAWS in SE plans to ban gil buyers, and we dont even work for SE lol..
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As for someone getting my account banned for "buying gil" for me... not only would they have to buy the gil (if someone wants to spend $50-$200 USD to get me out of a MMORPG... I'll be flattered), but I would still have to be caught... which means said person would probably have to report a "suspicion of gil buying" on my behalf to get a GM investigating.
Very well put krem hence as i would like to say as well. SE better have another way to figure this out. Cause right now a bunch of gameplayers/posters here know without a doubt there are FLAWS in SE plans to ban gil buyers, and we dont even work for SE lol..
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Sheppard, Leet, your ideas are very similar in context... only difference is in one example, the UC is a GM... in another example, the UC is a random player. Either way, it is still entrapment. ; ;
So.. LoL.. You want to catch a rat, you set a trap. :-b
All this talk of entrapment and whatnot does not apply. If you buy or sell gil you are "Breaking the rules" wich by the TOS gives SE the right to terminate your account. That is all. They do not have to follow U.S. Laws regarding searches or entrapment or witnesses or anything. If they so much as suspectthat you are breaking the rules they can cancel your account. It's right there in the Play Online Member Agreement section 4.4.
If you don't want your account cancelled don't buy gil. If you buy gil don't be stupid enough to tell people in the game about it. If you are stupid enough to buy gil and then blab about it in any of the chat channels in the game and your account is cancelled don't show up here ******** about it.
If you don't want your account cancelled don't buy gil. If you buy gil don't be stupid enough to tell people in the game about it. If you are stupid enough to buy gil and then blab about it in any of the chat channels in the game and your account is cancelled don't show up here ******** about it.
ok, one thing I'd like to state... I'm not very happy with the way SE is handling this situation, and to me, I think it is fairly biased and rediculous.
Obviously the subject of gil selling/buying has become a big topic. Mainly for two reasons: 1) It's killing the economy as people can now set higher prices for items as gil is easier to obtain (basically, if a nation/country is in debt, they don't produce more currency to bail themselves out... that would just ruin things more) and 2) Gil sellers would use low down/dirty methods of obtaining the mobs and drops that earned them their gil. Methods included, but not limited MPK's and training mobs on fellow campers, botting, grabbing mobs to throw off other camper's targetting, etc...
It's to my understanding that SE has done something about those tactical gil sellers, but what about the others? Like IGN? or luckmoon? I'm sure by now everyone has read Frederz thread in regards to luckmoon and I have one opinion drawn off it.
Frederz was suspended for making a "deal" to purchase gil. Apparently you do not need to exchange cash/gil, it is already against the TOS when you CONSIDER or DISCUSS the buying/selling of gil. The way I see it, if Frederz was suspended for making a "deal" with Luckmoon, can someone explain why Luckmoon wasn't suspended for making a "deal" with Frederz... Consider this, and continue reading.
Now having said that, let's look at how SE can go about finding gil sellers/buyers.
1) Can ban anyone sending large suspicious sums of gil...
2) Monitor heavy gil trafficing for at least a week or so (to get an idea who's passing money to and from mule vs those selling the gil and sending to dozens of different people)
3) Setup a sting/undercover type operation... but then again, looking back on Frederz deal... wouldn't SE be in breach of their own TOS by making a "deal" with you?
4) Have a list of known gil sellers and keep an eye on who they send large amounts of gil to... then ban the buyer, but let the seller stick around to keep selling (so they can keep nailing buyers).
Either way, #3 and #4 are not just and fair... and personally, I would think gil sellers should be far more punished than the buyer... and here's why:
Back when I came in the game back in February, gil was expensive on the net... about $20 USD for 10k gil. This kept the economy right where it was and should be and gil selling/buying was never that big of a problem. However, as time passed, more people gain higher levels and become gil sellers themselves. Next thing they do is jack up the economy so people have to farm longer, or buy gil from them. Well, what about the newbies? The lvl 10 that wants to get that really cool item to have in the dunes? (IE: Rdm who wants astral rings)
They go on the web now and see that they can get 1mil for almost $50 USD, and all of a sudden, anything on the AH because sooo much more affordable to them. So of course they're tempted to buy from the seller. So to recap, it is the sellers using low down dirty methods... it is the sellers jacking up the economy... and it is the sellers that are making it sooo easy for a newbie to purchase gil.
As of right now, in the situation exampled above vs Frederz out come vs the methods SE could use to nail buyers and sellers, I draw the following outcome:
"Newbie player looses his/her account for gil buying. Now new user has wasted $50-$100 on the game, $13 on a Content ID and barely even gets to play before everything becomes a worthless $60-$110 doorstop/paperweight. Yes, they broke the TOS and should be subject to punishment, but so should the gil seller... and in the "deals" that resulted in the buyers being suspended/banned, I've seen no action taken on the sellers themselves."
Edited, Wed Dec 8 16:51:53 2004 by ElvaanKrem
Obviously the subject of gil selling/buying has become a big topic. Mainly for two reasons: 1) It's killing the economy as people can now set higher prices for items as gil is easier to obtain (basically, if a nation/country is in debt, they don't produce more currency to bail themselves out... that would just ruin things more) and 2) Gil sellers would use low down/dirty methods of obtaining the mobs and drops that earned them their gil. Methods included, but not limited MPK's and training mobs on fellow campers, botting, grabbing mobs to throw off other camper's targetting, etc...
It's to my understanding that SE has done something about those tactical gil sellers, but what about the others? Like IGN? or luckmoon? I'm sure by now everyone has read Frederz thread in regards to luckmoon and I have one opinion drawn off it.
Frederz was suspended for making a "deal" to purchase gil. Apparently you do not need to exchange cash/gil, it is already against the TOS when you CONSIDER or DISCUSS the buying/selling of gil. The way I see it, if Frederz was suspended for making a "deal" with Luckmoon, can someone explain why Luckmoon wasn't suspended for making a "deal" with Frederz... Consider this, and continue reading.
Now having said that, let's look at how SE can go about finding gil sellers/buyers.
1) Can ban anyone sending large suspicious sums of gil...
2) Monitor heavy gil trafficing for at least a week or so (to get an idea who's passing money to and from mule vs those selling the gil and sending to dozens of different people)
3) Setup a sting/undercover type operation... but then again, looking back on Frederz deal... wouldn't SE be in breach of their own TOS by making a "deal" with you?
4) Have a list of known gil sellers and keep an eye on who they send large amounts of gil to... then ban the buyer, but let the seller stick around to keep selling (so they can keep nailing buyers).
Either way, #3 and #4 are not just and fair... and personally, I would think gil sellers should be far more punished than the buyer... and here's why:
Back when I came in the game back in February, gil was expensive on the net... about $20 USD for 10k gil. This kept the economy right where it was and should be and gil selling/buying was never that big of a problem. However, as time passed, more people gain higher levels and become gil sellers themselves. Next thing they do is jack up the economy so people have to farm longer, or buy gil from them. Well, what about the newbies? The lvl 10 that wants to get that really cool item to have in the dunes? (IE: Rdm who wants astral rings)
They go on the web now and see that they can get 1mil for almost $50 USD, and all of a sudden, anything on the AH because sooo much more affordable to them. So of course they're tempted to buy from the seller. So to recap, it is the sellers using low down dirty methods... it is the sellers jacking up the economy... and it is the sellers that are making it sooo easy for a newbie to purchase gil.
As of right now, in the situation exampled above vs Frederz out come vs the methods SE could use to nail buyers and sellers, I draw the following outcome:
"Newbie player looses his/her account for gil buying. Now new user has wasted $50-$100 on the game, $13 on a Content ID and barely even gets to play before everything becomes a worthless $60-$110 doorstop/paperweight. Yes, they broke the TOS and should be subject to punishment, but so should the gil seller... and in the "deals" that resulted in the buyers being suspended/banned, I've seen no action taken on the sellers themselves."
Edited, Wed Dec 8 16:51:53 2004 by ElvaanKrem
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They go on the web now and see that they can get 1mil for almost $50 USD, and all of a sudden, anything on the AH because sooo much more affordable to them. So of course they're tempted to buy from the seller. So to recap, it is the sellers using low down dirty methods... it is the sellers jacking up the economy... and it is the sellers that are making it sooo easy for a newbie to purchase gil.
That is why I said it is important to talk about gil buying with friends or in LS. This is disencourage them buying gil.
About that other thread in attempting to entrap a gil seller... Gil sellers are not stupid. They are well organized and know what they are doing. It is not easy to trick them with a ploy by talking to them or have someone buy gil intentionally.
FYI, gil sellers have moved away from staying in Ordelles, Kuftal Tunnel or Defukutt Tower for 24/7. They now also camp HNMs like King Athros or Serkit. They are sophisticated.
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Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
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