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To feel bad about something and to not be able to do anything about it, because I am one person. It is so sickning. When those who shout that they are LFP, it makes me wish I could just "lvldown" and start a PT with them. Good or bad, no one deserves to wait.
disagree. totally.
waiting is part of the game. just like waiting is part of life. perserverance is key, just like patience is a virtue. people who don't know HOW to wait, but would rather sit in jeuno and lfg for hours on end with no other means of enjoying this game live but for one purpose: to level. and albeit not wrong, but i would say it isn't healthy. post lvl 40, most people who form parties begin using the "/sea all inv" command. keep that flag up, and go wherever, cos invites will still come.
cultivate that patience, and learn to channel the time elsewhere. stay hopeful, but expect little. the enjoyment is in the journey, not the end result.
and where all else fails, try your hand at forming your own parties. if you need tips of what party to form, or which job to invite, take the effort to do your own research (forums, linkshell, talking to people--even the random player in jeuno lfg-ing with you).
waiting is part of the game. just like waiting is part of life. perserverance is key, just like patience is a virtue. people who don't know HOW to wait, but would rather sit in jeuno and lfg for hours on end with no other means of enjoying this game live but for one purpose: to level. and albeit not wrong, but i would say it isn't healthy. post lvl 40, most people who form parties begin using the "/sea all inv" command. keep that flag up, and go wherever, cos invites will still come.
cultivate that patience, and learn to channel the time elsewhere. stay hopeful, but expect little. the enjoyment is in the journey, not the end result.
and where all else fails, try your hand at forming your own parties. if you need tips of what party to form, or which job to invite, take the effort to do your own research (forums, linkshell, talking to people--even the random player in jeuno lfg-ing with you).
I have to disagree with you Enthuz.
Patience is a virtue no doubt- but this is hardly real life. This is a game, waiting in a game holds nothing but wasting your time.
Now, i will agree that there are other things to do in this game and you can occupy yourself. There are other things to do besides exp. However what if you want to exp that night? Say you only have 3 hours to play that night, and you want to exp?
What do you do then? Sure you could occupy yourself, but like i stated before- you want to exp that night. Why have to wait a long time to do anything you want?
I pay SE to enjoy this game. Keeping myself occupied by say crafting or farming isnt enjoyment, if it was thats what i would be doing instead. I dont pay SE so i can sit in my chair for an hour before i do anything i want to that night (if i even get to, sometimes there are no invites/ptys open).
I've played for almost a year, i dont have a lvl 75 char, im in no rush and 40k tnl just isnt appealing just yet. Personally i quest while i lfg, to me thats enjoyable. Farming/crafting just isnt anymore.
That is sad where you have to be like that for a game.
I'm not an impatient person ( i have been in the military, anyone in there knows the "hurry up and wait" philosphy that goes on there, so i have a decent amount of patience) but this is a game, a game we pay to play.
Why should we pay to wait?
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waiting is part of the game. just like waiting is part of life. perserverance is key, just like patience is a virtue
Patience is a virtue no doubt- but this is hardly real life. This is a game, waiting in a game holds nothing but wasting your time.
Now, i will agree that there are other things to do in this game and you can occupy yourself. There are other things to do besides exp. However what if you want to exp that night? Say you only have 3 hours to play that night, and you want to exp?
What do you do then? Sure you could occupy yourself, but like i stated before- you want to exp that night. Why have to wait a long time to do anything you want?
I pay SE to enjoy this game. Keeping myself occupied by say crafting or farming isnt enjoyment, if it was thats what i would be doing instead. I dont pay SE so i can sit in my chair for an hour before i do anything i want to that night (if i even get to, sometimes there are no invites/ptys open).
I've played for almost a year, i dont have a lvl 75 char, im in no rush and 40k tnl just isnt appealing just yet. Personally i quest while i lfg, to me thats enjoyable. Farming/crafting just isnt anymore.
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stay hopeful, but expect little
That is sad where you have to be like that for a game.
I'm not an impatient person ( i have been in the military, anyone in there knows the "hurry up and wait" philosphy that goes on there, so i have a decent amount of patience) but this is a game, a game we pay to play.
Why should we pay to wait?
hmm... interesting points. maybe it's the difference in which we view this 'game' that is the matter, hence i'll talk about it instead:
i prefer to view this 'game' as what it is--virtual reality. as the term implies, it is undoubtedly reality, but not as real as the one you live in. this world is created primarily so people can live out their dreams and fantasies, wield magic, die and only lose XP, have adventures, go questing, meet friends, make enemies...
as non-real as it seems, it's still real people with real feelings behind those people, all of whom are living in the same 'timeline' as any player is in that game.
arguably, there are those that only see the game for just that, a game--like a console rpg that you just save and put on hold, to do whatever you want whenever you want to with no repurcussions on anyone else's feelings. but bear in mind that this 'game' is shaped by the thoughts and feelings of so many other people, it isn't your own anymore, just like the real world is shaped by the thoughts and feelings of so many other people, that it really isn't yours.
the quicker, i feel, that some players understand that Vana'diel isn't just a 'game', the quicker they will realize how to accept and enjoy what enjoyment this 'game' will bring them.
while i sympathize with people having restricted time to play (i have also been similarly restricted, with school and work, and RL relationships i have to upkeep), i still stand by the fact that this is a world not motivated just by a player's sole want alone, and shouldn't be expected to be played as such.
i prefer to view this 'game' as what it is--virtual reality. as the term implies, it is undoubtedly reality, but not as real as the one you live in. this world is created primarily so people can live out their dreams and fantasies, wield magic, die and only lose XP, have adventures, go questing, meet friends, make enemies...
as non-real as it seems, it's still real people with real feelings behind those people, all of whom are living in the same 'timeline' as any player is in that game.
arguably, there are those that only see the game for just that, a game--like a console rpg that you just save and put on hold, to do whatever you want whenever you want to with no repurcussions on anyone else's feelings. but bear in mind that this 'game' is shaped by the thoughts and feelings of so many other people, it isn't your own anymore, just like the real world is shaped by the thoughts and feelings of so many other people, that it really isn't yours.
the quicker, i feel, that some players understand that Vana'diel isn't just a 'game', the quicker they will realize how to accept and enjoy what enjoyment this 'game' will bring them.
while i sympathize with people having restricted time to play (i have also been similarly restricted, with school and work, and RL relationships i have to upkeep), i still stand by the fact that this is a world not motivated just by a player's sole want alone, and shouldn't be expected to be played as such.
um... you're a 31 whm and don't like waiting??
try being a higher lvl (insert non rng melee job here) who goes through lots of waiting.
No one deserves to wait? I wish that was the case, it would make life so much easier if i could just put my party flag up and get a PT invite, that only happened to me once and that was so kick *** LOL *'.')/
My time on the game is also rather limited due to real life things such as school, job, friends, partying. If everyone treats everyone else like an actual person instead of a 2-D sprite though then it would be better for everyone ^^ <~~that was a lil off topic lol
try being a higher lvl (insert non rng melee job here) who goes through lots of waiting.
No one deserves to wait? I wish that was the case, it would make life so much easier if i could just put my party flag up and get a PT invite, that only happened to me once and that was so kick *** LOL *'.')/
My time on the game is also rather limited due to real life things such as school, job, friends, partying. If everyone treats everyone else like an actual person instead of a 2-D sprite though then it would be better for everyone ^^ <~~that was a lil off topic lol
yes, there are people factors to consider.
However, the nicest person you will meet will still have to wait to exp. That mnk who got you af's, genkai's and 5-1 will no doubt spend or has spent numerous hours lfg.
Then there are for example regular pricks. A few have been mentioned- lordandrew comes to mind. But those with indemand jobs can be pricks and still not wait, or wait as long as those nice people.
Sure you could say change jobs- but if a job is what you enjoy then why should you have to switch.
that was a personal gripe, prolly not carrying much context into what you said.
It isnt just a "game". It is a game. You can take it as seriously as you want- be it roleplaying or whatnot. But it comes down to it, it is a game.
Part of this game is social interaction- whereas inorder to excel you must interact with people at some level. Take what you will from those social situations, trust, honor, commitment. Thats your personal preogative.
That still does not justify waiting. Real life experiences will always out weigh virtual. A first online kiss will not compare to a real kiss. Death in game means little but an annoyance. Injuries mean little.
As such, how can you expect to take the same character building concepts from rl and translate them into a game?
However, the nicest person you will meet will still have to wait to exp. That mnk who got you af's, genkai's and 5-1 will no doubt spend or has spent numerous hours lfg.
Then there are for example regular pricks. A few have been mentioned- lordandrew comes to mind. But those with indemand jobs can be pricks and still not wait, or wait as long as those nice people.
Sure you could say change jobs- but if a job is what you enjoy then why should you have to switch.
that was a personal gripe, prolly not carrying much context into what you said.
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the quicker, i feel, that some players understand that Vana'diel isn't just a 'game', the quicker they will realize how to accept and enjoy what enjoyment this 'game' will bring them.
It isnt just a "game". It is a game. You can take it as seriously as you want- be it roleplaying or whatnot. But it comes down to it, it is a game.
Part of this game is social interaction- whereas inorder to excel you must interact with people at some level. Take what you will from those social situations, trust, honor, commitment. Thats your personal preogative.
That still does not justify waiting. Real life experiences will always out weigh virtual. A first online kiss will not compare to a real kiss. Death in game means little but an annoyance. Injuries mean little.
As such, how can you expect to take the same character building concepts from rl and translate them into a game?
I agree i dont think you should have to wait. And yes waiting is a part of life but it should not have to be part of a game, I've been searching for a party for about 4 hours now and im starting to think im wasting my life. I guess it would be fair if the RDM, WHM, PLD, RNG,BLM, BRD's had to wait as long as everyone else but lets face it that will never happen. I have a friend that is a DRG and has gone WEEKS waiting for parties, tell me how you think that is what this game was intended for.
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Patience is a virtue no doubt- but this is hardly real life. This is a game, waiting in a game holds nothing but wasting your time.
I agree with you on that fact that this is not real life. I also agree with the fact that waiting in a game is completely annoying, but I agree with Enthuz when he says "waiting is part of the game."
I have been one to experience odd times when LFP, such as when I was searching with my whm in Qufim once, it turned out there were about a dozen more seeking. Every time I put my flag up for a party with my PLD, it seems I have competition. There will always be that time when a job will have to wait. Some jobs get invites faster than others. Well, of course, because their jobs are more in demand. So what should the melee jobs do that don't get invites?
Not to go all hyper-critical or anything, but just putting your flag up is not the only option.
You could create your own static. I've heard of many people doing this already and it works out great. It would best for you to probably form one with people who are in your LS. Keep in mind that many statics do break up, but if everyone is willing to put forth an effort, you could be in a great party with zero time in looking for one. I had a static that lasted two weeks -.-, but then again I never had a more efficient party as of yet. It broke up, mainly because we weren't leveling our mains, and the static only appealed to a few out of the group.
You could make your own party. I find this one bluntly obvious. Many times, I'll type: /sea all inv level-level
and find an enormous amount of people looking for a group all withing my level range. O.O And I'm talking about around levels 40-50. All those people are waiting to join a party just like you. So take a step up, and invite them. Just follow the basic philosphy of forming a balanced party:
1 TANK
4 DAMAGE DEALERS(DD)
1 MAIN HEALER
1 SUPPORT
Please remember, many people without their flags up, will still even be interested in joining your party. Don't be shy about asking, as long as you're asking politely. This is one I use almost all the time to ask for a party: /tell Hi! Would you like to join a great party in [Crawler's Nest]? Or something close to that anywayz. I think you will surprise yourself by how many people you get to join your party.
Yea, I know exactly what you're thinking. "Man, that Guyfrombastok(Danyu), he's a PLD, he doesn't understand. He always gets invites. BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
Sorry to say this, but a good 90% of the parties I have been in, I was the leader, and thats all the way to level 50.
It's just that I'm not one to sit and whine all over the place about how something is such and such. Take action. Take hold of what you can do in the game and initiate your wants, your goals. SE gave you the powers to form you're own party, make a name for yourself, and to socialize....use them.
** Please take notice that I understand when you get at a higher level its just that there is a lack of people altogether, but my criticisms were towards Zaleshea who was level 31 O.o and felt sorry for people who were not getting parties so she wanted to de-level herself.
EDIT: I was having fun with the colors. :)
Edited, Mon Jan 3 00:59:48 2005 by Guyfrombastok
Edited, Mon Jan 3 15:34:39 2005 by Guyfrombastok
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You could create your own static.
I've been in 3. there is the task of gettin the people together for that. Brds/rdm arent exactly winning out on a static most times. and more then likely after awhile it will disband for some reason or another.
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You could make your own party.
What if there is no tank/healer/support that can or wants to exp? I lost count of the times i had a 5 person pty but needed one job to pop (and yes, we asked all the non-lfg ones) and spent a good long time waiting.
Its too situational really. To say "make your own pty" isnt always gonna cut it. You cant make a pty if you cant get the jobs to fill it.
Hey guys, I gotta agree with Danyu. Up until level 50, I was leading close 90% of the PT's. I have no problems with asking people who don't have their flags up if they want to PT, or starting a group that doesn't follow the basic formula. Sometimes, you don't need 6 people to have a PT, you can perfectly get away with 5 and not do IT+++++++. I find the people that gripe about having their flags up for a long time are the same people that are afraid of having the leader status put on them.
here's the thing. this game is about waiting. look at all the quests. the missions... hell, even the exp to next level as the levels rise... starts out at 250xp to level2, to 40,000 points at 70+... all involve large amounts of time. some more than others. So if you think this game is not about waiting, or it's not fair. then maybe you should have chosen game that has not ever been about waiting. Final Fantasy has always been a game of time investment. deal with it. move on. If your tired of waiting, go read a book, or watch a movie, go for a walk, call your family. hang out with friends. We are all people. we all have choices. it's the choices you make, that determine the outcome of your day. If you want to make money, then make it. Don't spend 8 hours complaining you can't make money. If your tired of waiting to exp, then go exp. it can be done. sub whm if your a damage dealer and take on some easy preys. with perseverence and a clear mind, it can be done.
that's my 2 gil. now quit whining, and do something about your problems. look to the solution, not the problem, or your issues will never be resolved.
that's my 2 gil. now quit whining, and do something about your problems. look to the solution, not the problem, or your issues will never be resolved.
ahh i love being a BST..
Oh where do I start???
/em raises hand. Went 3 days of solid LFG (while crafting/farming to fill my time) without a single invite. I know people who have went longer and I sympathize.
Not always the case. I actively /sea inv all while LFG to see that the key roles are available (RDM or BRD, PLD, WHM or SMN/WHM). I don't invite the DDs until I have the key roles in place because so many times I've had 5 waiting for the WHM, or the RDM to pop up. I'm not going to waste everyone else's time. I have been the leader of MANY parties, but the necessaries are not always there; LFG or not.
I have had 4 pts in the last week (and I'm LFG every day), I've went from 3k from 57, to 5k from 57, to 6k from 57, and finally back to 2k from 57. In about 8 hours of PTing last night I gained 4k exp total only to have the PT disband 2k from my level. (I had a couple different PTs) For those that say it's "ok" to LFG all the time, I say try being a MNK or a DRG. It's disgusting to know that the reason you don't get invites has nothing to do with you, it's because people don't understand your job. (That's a whole other rant ><)
Even though you've contradicted yourself, I understand your point. Yet I still disagree. It's a Game + yes, but still a game. You will not become successful IRL because you made 2 mil on AH, you will not be an Olympic Archer because you leveled RNG to 75, I'm not going to be a Kung-Fu master because I'm leveling MNK (even though I do study Kung-Fu :-b). Thus therefore, it is a game.
At the end of the day, you turn your PC or PS2 off and the game ends (albeit temporarily). Yes the game goes on whether you are logged on or not, but at any time you can cancel your account, and you won't die. You might convulse from withdraws after a couple days, but you should live. When the game is no longer enjoyable, you move on.
The sad fact is I'm even getting to that point because I can't do what I enjoy on this game because I'm bound to a misunderstanding. I have leveled other jobs, and continue to do so, but my first love, job-wise, is my Monk. I'm 22k from my Temple Cyclas and can't get there to save my life. How crappy is that?
I want to help others in my LS but I have to leave my flag up non-stop to have a chance at a pt. So if I pt with them to get them G1 items, or kill a NM for them, I'm not shown as available and NOBODY is going to /sea MNK all unless they want a skeleton killed. Call it whining or bit*(&g or whatever you want, but it's usually the WHM, PLD, or RDM that get invites when they're not LFG that say "be patient". Not a direct shot at you, Enthuz, but honestly, level your DRG some more and set EASILY obtainable goals just to fail because you can't either form a pt (due to lack of available essential jobs), or get a single invite for days/weeks on end. It quickly begins to feel like a waste of life.
You then get the decision of sticking it through, knowing how much it's going to take to get where you want, or cutting your losses and leaving your on-line friends behind. I currently have about 1600 hours invested in this game and am starting to wonder why. Granted I've made a lot of friends, so that helps, but some things are just ridiculous.
By no means am I saying "SE fix it" like so many do. I'm saying players, wake up. If you are the type that builds pts and has no problems getting parties when you don't, try inviting a MNK and a DRG. You might be surprised. MNK,DRG,PLD,BRD,BLM,WHM can make for a pretty good pt. Backhand Blow -> Penta Thrust -> Stone III can do some pretty good damage. Replace Stone III with Quake and you have even more. Heck it will probably even top Distortion -> Freeze since crabs are strong to water (Distortion = Water/Ice). I know a pt that I was in where the BLM was bursting Stone III for 450+ dmg. I even had a RNG tell me he was checking DMG output and I was keeping up with him, and topping him when my kicks went off. Granted I don't have Barrage, and Sidewinder, but look at some other aspects.
With DoT you can put out more damage and not put the extra stress on your tank. With haste I'm doing close to 2 sets of attacks per one of a DRK or RNG. Couple that with the fact that I can do 5 attacks at one time (Double Attack + Kick Attacks) for 30-60 dmg per hit, then we can add up the DMG output. So by doing 30-60 per hit x 2-5 hits vs 150 per hit, I don't have that one big dmg shot that makes the mob turn on me. Yes, I have taken hate on many occasions, but I don't have to put "{Cover} me" in my macro if it happens. As a MNK I have more VIT than any other job I do believe (pre buffs and gear). That RNG gets 2 or 3 hits before they are in red.
What if the RNG runs out of arrows???? Now what? Stab it with your knife? Good luck. You might as well have the WHM break out the Blessed Hammer. RNG is an insanely expensive job. Not all RNGs are going to bring 5-8 hours worth of arrows. And if they're RNG/NIN, add on some Shihei costs. Don't get me wrong, I love having RNGs in the pt, but there ARE other DD jobs out there. Some will do comparable damage. Sidewinder is FAR from a guaranteed hit.
Ok, I've griped enough. There's my 2 dollars worth.
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However, the nicest person you will meet will still have to wait to exp. That mnk who got you af's, genkai's and 5-1 will no doubt spend or has spent numerous hours lfg.
/em raises hand. Went 3 days of solid LFG (while crafting/farming to fill my time) without a single invite. I know people who have went longer and I sympathize.
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I find the people that gripe about having their flags up for a long time are the same people that are afraid of having the leader status put on them.
Not always the case. I actively /sea inv all while LFG to see that the key roles are available (RDM or BRD, PLD, WHM or SMN/WHM). I don't invite the DDs until I have the key roles in place because so many times I've had 5 waiting for the WHM, or the RDM to pop up. I'm not going to waste everyone else's time. I have been the leader of MANY parties, but the necessaries are not always there; LFG or not.
I have had 4 pts in the last week (and I'm LFG every day), I've went from 3k from 57, to 5k from 57, to 6k from 57, and finally back to 2k from 57. In about 8 hours of PTing last night I gained 4k exp total only to have the PT disband 2k from my level. (I had a couple different PTs) For those that say it's "ok" to LFG all the time, I say try being a MNK or a DRG. It's disgusting to know that the reason you don't get invites has nothing to do with you, it's because people don't understand your job. (That's a whole other rant ><)
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the quicker, i feel, that some players understand that Vana'diel isn't just a 'game', the quicker they will realize how to accept and enjoy what enjoyment this 'game' will bring them.
Even though you've contradicted yourself, I understand your point. Yet I still disagree. It's a Game + yes, but still a game. You will not become successful IRL because you made 2 mil on AH, you will not be an Olympic Archer because you leveled RNG to 75, I'm not going to be a Kung-Fu master because I'm leveling MNK (even though I do study Kung-Fu :-b). Thus therefore, it is a game.
At the end of the day, you turn your PC or PS2 off and the game ends (albeit temporarily). Yes the game goes on whether you are logged on or not, but at any time you can cancel your account, and you won't die. You might convulse from withdraws after a couple days, but you should live. When the game is no longer enjoyable, you move on.
The sad fact is I'm even getting to that point because I can't do what I enjoy on this game because I'm bound to a misunderstanding. I have leveled other jobs, and continue to do so, but my first love, job-wise, is my Monk. I'm 22k from my Temple Cyclas and can't get there to save my life. How crappy is that?
I want to help others in my LS but I have to leave my flag up non-stop to have a chance at a pt. So if I pt with them to get them G1 items, or kill a NM for them, I'm not shown as available and NOBODY is going to /sea MNK all unless they want a skeleton killed. Call it whining or bit*(&g or whatever you want, but it's usually the WHM, PLD, or RDM that get invites when they're not LFG that say "be patient". Not a direct shot at you, Enthuz, but honestly, level your DRG some more and set EASILY obtainable goals just to fail because you can't either form a pt (due to lack of available essential jobs), or get a single invite for days/weeks on end. It quickly begins to feel like a waste of life.
You then get the decision of sticking it through, knowing how much it's going to take to get where you want, or cutting your losses and leaving your on-line friends behind. I currently have about 1600 hours invested in this game and am starting to wonder why. Granted I've made a lot of friends, so that helps, but some things are just ridiculous.
By no means am I saying "SE fix it" like so many do. I'm saying players, wake up. If you are the type that builds pts and has no problems getting parties when you don't, try inviting a MNK and a DRG. You might be surprised. MNK,DRG,PLD,BRD,BLM,WHM can make for a pretty good pt. Backhand Blow -> Penta Thrust -> Stone III can do some pretty good damage. Replace Stone III with Quake and you have even more. Heck it will probably even top Distortion -> Freeze since crabs are strong to water (Distortion = Water/Ice). I know a pt that I was in where the BLM was bursting Stone III for 450+ dmg. I even had a RNG tell me he was checking DMG output and I was keeping up with him, and topping him when my kicks went off. Granted I don't have Barrage, and Sidewinder, but look at some other aspects.
With DoT you can put out more damage and not put the extra stress on your tank. With haste I'm doing close to 2 sets of attacks per one of a DRK or RNG. Couple that with the fact that I can do 5 attacks at one time (Double Attack + Kick Attacks) for 30-60 dmg per hit, then we can add up the DMG output. So by doing 30-60 per hit x 2-5 hits vs 150 per hit, I don't have that one big dmg shot that makes the mob turn on me. Yes, I have taken hate on many occasions, but I don't have to put "{Cover} me" in my macro if it happens. As a MNK I have more VIT than any other job I do believe (pre buffs and gear). That RNG gets 2 or 3 hits before they are in red.
What if the RNG runs out of arrows???? Now what? Stab it with your knife? Good luck. You might as well have the WHM break out the Blessed Hammer. RNG is an insanely expensive job. Not all RNGs are going to bring 5-8 hours worth of arrows. And if they're RNG/NIN, add on some Shihei costs. Don't get me wrong, I love having RNGs in the pt, but there ARE other DD jobs out there. Some will do comparable damage. Sidewinder is FAR from a guaranteed hit.
Ok, I've griped enough. There's my 2 dollars worth.
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Final Fantasy has always been a game of time investment.
actually one of the main reasons i liked the ff series is that it didnt take forever to do stuff.
If you wanted you could beat any ff game in a relatively short time. To get all the uber stuff you had to put time in no doubt, but to play the average path didnt take much time at all actually.
This game is different. That uber stuff you needed to put time into for kicks is no longer a luxury. The average path takes alot of time investment to walk.
I dont remember seeing:
Final Fantasy online
Rise of the Zilart
Chains Of promethia
Game of Waiting.
This game is insanely fun, thats the reason people play it. The wait is outwieghed by the fun when you do get to do what you want. But there is a point where the fun just cant compete with the wait.
Your a rdm mornlithe, your one of the top invites in the game. You can say be patient because you've had it nice. Go exp a job less indemand and see if you still think its nothing to complain about.
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If your tired of waiting to exp, then go exp. it can be done. sub whm if your a damage dealer and take on some easy preys. with perseverence and a clear mind, it can be done.
Very few jobs can do that effectively. And what good is that anyway. < 30 exp a pop, huge risk involved. If you die, you lose 2k or so or bug the crap outta a whm. And what does 30 exp do when you have 20k+ tnl?
The fact that you suggested that is kinda funny.
HA, you aint seen **** yet
i'll just reply to the people directly.
leetfade: i didn't contradict myself. i'm stating that what you are paying for is to experience life outside real life. it's called virtual reality. i used the term 'game' under quote to indicate it really isn't. when you turn the ps2 or the pc off, is when you decide you want to get back to real life, but taking a trip into Vanadi'el is very much like a vacation without having you to go anywhere. if my term 'game' confused anyone in anyway, i'll from now use VR to represent what i truly think about FFXI.
oh and on the sidenote, i apologize for the really bad pt that we formed. it was... less than my normal pt forming abilities, even though by right the theoretical job combination works out. i'll make it up to you soon, for sure.
CeberusMag: it is pointless for us to further discuss things till we have a common ground to argue. at this point, we're both on different camps in our view of FFXI--VR vs game, and hence have different expectations of it. if FFXI were a one-person game, i'd have no problem seeing your point. however, because FFXI is an online RPG which is played by so many people at the same time, it is hard for me to say it's only a game. you experience wonder, frustration, love (i have my gripes on this, but some people feel so), comradeship, hate (loads of enemies i see people make make me sad, but i know it happens), jealousy (look at some people with the load of gil and gucci items you know will take you eons to farm for), pride (when you beat one of those nearly impossible to kill NMs), joy (there's a lot to be joyful of, if you know where to look), bliss, etc. this is all in VR, and definitely more pronounced than a linear console game.
now before i get criticized for being too serious, and need a life, please realize you don't know the RL me. i hold myself well enough in most social situations, and on top of FFXI have been able to keep in touch with most of my friends. i DO have a functioning RL relationship, and so i sympathize with all the RL couples/married couples out there who have less VR time. i'm in school in my senior year, and have quite a load during the semester, so much so that the FFXI people don't even see me online for days on end (i hate being stuck in lab). at the end of the semester, i still have almost all As and just one B (we're talking college). i don't work, but i HAVE work, already employed. being international, i've come to america to study based on my academic merit--i.e. on scholarship. i have to maintain an average GPA of 3.8 or i might get deported. i ballroom dance in RL, and compete actively, i also have loads of people constantly dragging me to dance parties. on FFXI though, i can name a constant number of people that i would consider friend, and at times i just log on with no intention of partying, but rather to chat, just like i would MSN or AIM.
imho, i find my own fun. if your fun is only to lvl, then i really think you're shortchanging yourself in this VR experience.
oh, and i think you owe mornlithe an apology. just because people have an 'in-demand' job doesn't mean what she says is untrue. i voice a similar sentiment that some people whine too much (no i do not mean you Cerberus, nor Leetfade) without even bothering to try to form their own pts. and a large majority are mnks and drgs (again not leetfade and one other drg friend i know). also, i think you neglect to see that there are many more 'in-demand' jobs competing for spots in pts, so much so that the pld/blm/whm pool is as good as saturated. i seem to have a lot of trouble finding pts myself as a pld, hence i'm always forming my own.
and one more thing, niceness and player-ability don't come hand in hand. if i were all out to xp efficiently, i won't care if the guy's a prick regardless of what job he is so long as he does his job in my pt. however, those that have been in my pt know that i don't invite pricks, regardless of their job. i invite friends mostly, and an occassional random person or two. i know the names of enough rdms, drks, thfs, blms, whms, mnk(note singular), smn(note singular), drgs to search them out specially for invites. i enjoy having friends to play with over efficiency, going for safe xp but having fun in the process over xp-ing like crazy but risk dying with little or no interaction.
GuyfromBastok a.k.a Danyu: watch out about the seeding of ideas... give the nin/wars too much attention and we'll be out of a job. :p (j/king)
leetfade: i didn't contradict myself. i'm stating that what you are paying for is to experience life outside real life. it's called virtual reality. i used the term 'game' under quote to indicate it really isn't. when you turn the ps2 or the pc off, is when you decide you want to get back to real life, but taking a trip into Vanadi'el is very much like a vacation without having you to go anywhere. if my term 'game' confused anyone in anyway, i'll from now use VR to represent what i truly think about FFXI.
oh and on the sidenote, i apologize for the really bad pt that we formed. it was... less than my normal pt forming abilities, even though by right the theoretical job combination works out. i'll make it up to you soon, for sure.
CeberusMag: it is pointless for us to further discuss things till we have a common ground to argue. at this point, we're both on different camps in our view of FFXI--VR vs game, and hence have different expectations of it. if FFXI were a one-person game, i'd have no problem seeing your point. however, because FFXI is an online RPG which is played by so many people at the same time, it is hard for me to say it's only a game. you experience wonder, frustration, love (i have my gripes on this, but some people feel so), comradeship, hate (loads of enemies i see people make make me sad, but i know it happens), jealousy (look at some people with the load of gil and gucci items you know will take you eons to farm for), pride (when you beat one of those nearly impossible to kill NMs), joy (there's a lot to be joyful of, if you know where to look), bliss, etc. this is all in VR, and definitely more pronounced than a linear console game.
now before i get criticized for being too serious, and need a life, please realize you don't know the RL me. i hold myself well enough in most social situations, and on top of FFXI have been able to keep in touch with most of my friends. i DO have a functioning RL relationship, and so i sympathize with all the RL couples/married couples out there who have less VR time. i'm in school in my senior year, and have quite a load during the semester, so much so that the FFXI people don't even see me online for days on end (i hate being stuck in lab). at the end of the semester, i still have almost all As and just one B (we're talking college). i don't work, but i HAVE work, already employed. being international, i've come to america to study based on my academic merit--i.e. on scholarship. i have to maintain an average GPA of 3.8 or i might get deported. i ballroom dance in RL, and compete actively, i also have loads of people constantly dragging me to dance parties. on FFXI though, i can name a constant number of people that i would consider friend, and at times i just log on with no intention of partying, but rather to chat, just like i would MSN or AIM.
imho, i find my own fun. if your fun is only to lvl, then i really think you're shortchanging yourself in this VR experience.
oh, and i think you owe mornlithe an apology. just because people have an 'in-demand' job doesn't mean what she says is untrue. i voice a similar sentiment that some people whine too much (no i do not mean you Cerberus, nor Leetfade) without even bothering to try to form their own pts. and a large majority are mnks and drgs (again not leetfade and one other drg friend i know). also, i think you neglect to see that there are many more 'in-demand' jobs competing for spots in pts, so much so that the pld/blm/whm pool is as good as saturated. i seem to have a lot of trouble finding pts myself as a pld, hence i'm always forming my own.
and one more thing, niceness and player-ability don't come hand in hand. if i were all out to xp efficiently, i won't care if the guy's a prick regardless of what job he is so long as he does his job in my pt. however, those that have been in my pt know that i don't invite pricks, regardless of their job. i invite friends mostly, and an occassional random person or two. i know the names of enough rdms, drks, thfs, blms, whms, mnk(note singular), smn(note singular), drgs to search them out specially for invites. i enjoy having friends to play with over efficiency, going for safe xp but having fun in the process over xp-ing like crazy but risk dying with little or no interaction.
GuyfromBastok a.k.a Danyu: watch out about the seeding of ideas... give the nin/wars too much attention and we'll be out of a job. :p (j/king)
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oh, and i think you owe mornlithe an apology. just because people have an 'in-demand' job doesn't mean what she says is untrue.
One of these days I will get you to quit assuming EVERYONE is female. Mornlithe's main account name is Joel (what he was on when I first met him). Also note his avatar. It's a guy's pic of which I can only assume is him. Now Mornlithe if I'M incorrect, I apologize. But first knowing you as Joel is where I got my male impression (not that matters). Oddly enough, I do know a female Joel. hmmm.. lol
Anyways, this is more to pick on Enthuz cuz he thinks EVERYONE is female.
Enthuz, I knew what you were saying about VR, however, VR is also a game IMO. Some of my friends and I did VR this weekend, did it affect me IRL, no, therefore it is also a game. Yes it is an escape from RL, but it is not to be used to replace RL, hence the disclaimer at the beginning of the game.
Without getting into a deeper level of conversation and discussing your beliefs on what is "Real", we'll just leave it as you feel VR is more real where as I feel it is a game. My main point being that it doesn't influence the outcome of your life. Yet another topic I feel we can agree to disagree.
man, i could've sworn i remember mornlithe to be a she. >< apologies mornlithe. should've noted the pic. and no, i don't think everyone's female. i just have a tendency to mix genders up... ;p
yea leetfade, i think it's one of those agree to disagree moments. VR can't replace RL, as you've said, that much i admit. but i my opinion is that people treating VR as just a game is underestimating its real value. maybe both of us are wrong and VR's really just VR, a class of its own, not to be classified as either?
yea leetfade, i think it's one of those agree to disagree moments. VR can't replace RL, as you've said, that much i admit. but i my opinion is that people treating VR as just a game is underestimating its real value. maybe both of us are wrong and VR's really just VR, a class of its own, not to be classified as either?
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-Rayme
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Lets face it im level 62 and im 31k to my next level, dont you think that that on its own is enough frigin time to wait? If you level 70+ you have like 40k tnl that could take like 8 hours just to get one damn level. That is enough waiting if you ask me there should be no reason you have to wait 10 hours to get into a party (prey to god the pt last longer then an hour) and then you got to get 31k to get your next level give me a frigin brake. Anyone that thinks that this is not a game and that you should have to wait hours and hours to get a pt invite I only have one thing to say to you people and that is, you all need to get out more!
I honestly thought this thread would be over with by now. Boy was I wrong...
What CerebrusMag's response was to my post:
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You could create your own static.
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I've been in 3. there is the task of gettin the people together for that. Brds/rdm arent exactly winning out on a static most times. and more then likely after awhile it will disband for some reason or another.
What I said in the same post that you were responding to:
What CerebrusMag's response was to my post:
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You could make your own party.
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What if there is no tank/healer/support that can or wants to exp? I lost count of the times i had a 5 person pty but needed one job to pop (and yes, we asked all the non-lfg ones) and spent a good long time waiting.
Its too situational really. To say "make your own pty" isnt always gonna cut it. You cant make a pty if you cant get the jobs to fill it.
What I said in my post:
I never said the options I gave were the "end-all, be-all" ways of getting a party for those that are waiting. I agreed with Enthuz before in the fact that "waiting is part of the game." This is where that comes into play. When there is just that one or two jobs you can't find, and you are absolutely dependent on having it, then yes, you have to wait. But so does every other job trying to get a party then. To say "Its too situational really." is bluntly obvious. Every action you take in the game is situational. You can always take things from the negative approach, you're allowed to do that since you are a paying customer. Though, I'd rather look at it from the way that I have experienced every time I had attempted to make my own party. Majority of the time to level 50, I hardly ever had trouble forming my own party. There were those occasional exceptions. As I have said above, thats when waiting comes in.
This is also where the beauty of FFXI comes in view, with the exception of BST of course. We HAVE to rely on others. We HAVE to trust others. Never have I ever played a game that relied so much on teamwork. You can't have this beauty without waiting.
To sum things up, I suggest besides nickpicking at what I said and placing a negative twist on it, that you try to be more positive. Try to open a few eyes that what I was saying wasn't just for the sake of saying it. The options I gave have been done and proven multiple times not only by myself, but many, many others.
*takes a breath*
THE END.
Edited, Tue Jan 4 01:39:58 2005 by Guyfrombastok
What CerebrusMag's response was to my post:
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You could create your own static.
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I've been in 3. there is the task of gettin the people together for that. Brds/rdm arent exactly winning out on a static most times. and more then likely after awhile it will disband for some reason or another.
What I said in the same post that you were responding to:
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Keep in mind that many statics do break up, but if everyone is willing to put forth an effort, you could be in a great party with zero time in looking for one. I had a static that lasted two weeks -.-, but then again I never had a more efficient party as of yet. It broke up, mainly because we weren't leveling our mains, and the static only appealed to a few out of the group.
What CerebrusMag's response was to my post:
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You could make your own party.
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What if there is no tank/healer/support that can or wants to exp? I lost count of the times i had a 5 person pty but needed one job to pop (and yes, we asked all the non-lfg ones) and spent a good long time waiting.
Its too situational really. To say "make your own pty" isnt always gonna cut it. You cant make a pty if you cant get the jobs to fill it.
What I said in my post:
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Not to go all hyper-critical or anything, but just putting your flag up is not the only option.
I never said the options I gave were the "end-all, be-all" ways of getting a party for those that are waiting. I agreed with Enthuz before in the fact that "waiting is part of the game." This is where that comes into play. When there is just that one or two jobs you can't find, and you are absolutely dependent on having it, then yes, you have to wait. But so does every other job trying to get a party then. To say "Its too situational really." is bluntly obvious. Every action you take in the game is situational. You can always take things from the negative approach, you're allowed to do that since you are a paying customer. Though, I'd rather look at it from the way that I have experienced every time I had attempted to make my own party. Majority of the time to level 50, I hardly ever had trouble forming my own party. There were those occasional exceptions. As I have said above, thats when waiting comes in.
This is also where the beauty of FFXI comes in view, with the exception of BST of course. We HAVE to rely on others. We HAVE to trust others. Never have I ever played a game that relied so much on teamwork. You can't have this beauty without waiting.
To sum things up, I suggest besides nickpicking at what I said and placing a negative twist on it, that you try to be more positive. Try to open a few eyes that what I was saying wasn't just for the sake of saying it. The options I gave have been done and proven multiple times not only by myself, but many, many others.
*takes a breath*
THE END.
Edited, Tue Jan 4 01:39:58 2005 by Guyfrombastok
enthuz- yeah we dont have common ground, but it wouldnt be much of a discussion if we were both on the same sides of the camp now would it.
Lets explore this. So what makes FF not just a game? Is it the multiplayer aspect of it? If so, was say mario kart more then a game? I fail to see how this is any different then any other online game- rpg or not. All of the aspects you have listed can be accomplished by any other game, multiplayer/rpg or not.
I dont see why i owe a person an apology when all i do is voice my opinion. You can say "make your own group" but that doesnt cut it all the time. That lvl 14 3 war 2 whm 1 smn pty wont fly at later levels. You need specific party slots. If those arent open you cant exp. A good example is trying to exp with a pld group with no healer, or refresher. It either wont work or will be attrociously slow.
Granted it is situational- say with a ninja tank you wouldnt need a refresher, or with a few /nin's in the pty you might not need a tank. But you cannot deny what i have said- Making your own group is not the end all answer to waiting for pty. Sometimes you just cant make your own.
Oh, and Enthuz- my handle is Mag, from cerebus (:P) and no im not a girl.
Danyu-
I was relating my experiences with statics and the main reason why i dont see them working. Every static i have had has broken up-
First one was cause of trouble finding a dependible healer, then people just quit the game cause they didnt want to wait anymore.
Second one broke up cause we never set times to exp and often people wouldnt be told up til the last minute- not a very nice way to run it so people got upset.
third one took me from lvl 63-68 or so. reason it broke up was cause hte leader was making a push to 70 and had us exping every night for 2 weeks. Rudeness/too much grinding wears you down.
I dont know of a static that has lasted from 1-75, if there is one i am willing to be that the members are rl friends.
And for your make the pty thing- like i said, its not always an option. There are other options to getting a pty, just as you stated, i was mearly pointing out that the options you listed in nice red text arent always going to solve your problems.
You can say im being negative on this or what not- but fact is these are my experiences, like them or not.
One last thing-
This will be my last negative responce here dont worry. Your lvl 50, getting your af's will be a chore. Unless you have a nice ls/friends who will help you it is a pain in the ***** There are people shouting in jueno for this, often to not get any help til much after they can use it. The quests should be hard no doubt, but getting the help needed for the quests shouldnt be harder then the quest itself.
Genkai's used to be a real pain and the first 2 you cant solo. Therefore you need to get people to help you. There used to be stories when i was below 50, about people quitting this game due to being unable to finish genkai 1. Either they couldnt get help, or when they did someone pulled something shady. I know a guy who went about a month without his genkais. He was a friend of mine and didnt tell me, he leveled lower jobs to keep sane i guess. Once i found out i took him and another guy i know there and got it for them. Hardly part of the design of this game i know, but he wasnt gonna get help around his level.
Getting any of your rare/ex eq (bomb queen ring, jelly ring for ex) will require getting alot of people together. I did BQ before and we had an alliance. Get 18 high levels together isnt easy at all. And as i have always thought- what good is getting such and such eq after you can eq it, takes the fun outta having it really.
As someone stated "you aint seen **** yet"
Now please dont think i am attacking your or whatever. I'm just pointing out that your at a point in the game where things do pick up some. That art that is teamwork and community in this game begins to become frustrating and drama filled.
I miss the old days.
edit- oh yeah, even bst need help with their af and such so they are no exception ^^
Edited, Tue Jan 4 02:09:20 2005 by CerebusMag
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if FFXI were a one-person game, i'd have no problem seeing your point. however, because FFXI is an online RPG which is played by so many people at the same time, it is hard for me to say it's only a game
Lets explore this. So what makes FF not just a game? Is it the multiplayer aspect of it? If so, was say mario kart more then a game? I fail to see how this is any different then any other online game- rpg or not. All of the aspects you have listed can be accomplished by any other game, multiplayer/rpg or not.
I dont see why i owe a person an apology when all i do is voice my opinion. You can say "make your own group" but that doesnt cut it all the time. That lvl 14 3 war 2 whm 1 smn pty wont fly at later levels. You need specific party slots. If those arent open you cant exp. A good example is trying to exp with a pld group with no healer, or refresher. It either wont work or will be attrociously slow.
Granted it is situational- say with a ninja tank you wouldnt need a refresher, or with a few /nin's in the pty you might not need a tank. But you cannot deny what i have said- Making your own group is not the end all answer to waiting for pty. Sometimes you just cant make your own.
Oh, and Enthuz- my handle is Mag, from cerebus (:P) and no im not a girl.
Danyu-
I was relating my experiences with statics and the main reason why i dont see them working. Every static i have had has broken up-
First one was cause of trouble finding a dependible healer, then people just quit the game cause they didnt want to wait anymore.
Second one broke up cause we never set times to exp and often people wouldnt be told up til the last minute- not a very nice way to run it so people got upset.
third one took me from lvl 63-68 or so. reason it broke up was cause hte leader was making a push to 70 and had us exping every night for 2 weeks. Rudeness/too much grinding wears you down.
I dont know of a static that has lasted from 1-75, if there is one i am willing to be that the members are rl friends.
And for your make the pty thing- like i said, its not always an option. There are other options to getting a pty, just as you stated, i was mearly pointing out that the options you listed in nice red text arent always going to solve your problems.
You can say im being negative on this or what not- but fact is these are my experiences, like them or not.
One last thing-
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This is also where the beauty of FFXI comes in view, with the exception of BST of course. We HAVE to rely on others. We HAVE to trust others. Never have I ever played a game that relied so much on teamwork. You can't have this beauty without waiting.
This will be my last negative responce here dont worry. Your lvl 50, getting your af's will be a chore. Unless you have a nice ls/friends who will help you it is a pain in the ***** There are people shouting in jueno for this, often to not get any help til much after they can use it. The quests should be hard no doubt, but getting the help needed for the quests shouldnt be harder then the quest itself.
Genkai's used to be a real pain and the first 2 you cant solo. Therefore you need to get people to help you. There used to be stories when i was below 50, about people quitting this game due to being unable to finish genkai 1. Either they couldnt get help, or when they did someone pulled something shady. I know a guy who went about a month without his genkais. He was a friend of mine and didnt tell me, he leveled lower jobs to keep sane i guess. Once i found out i took him and another guy i know there and got it for them. Hardly part of the design of this game i know, but he wasnt gonna get help around his level.
Getting any of your rare/ex eq (bomb queen ring, jelly ring for ex) will require getting alot of people together. I did BQ before and we had an alliance. Get 18 high levels together isnt easy at all. And as i have always thought- what good is getting such and such eq after you can eq it, takes the fun outta having it really.
As someone stated "you aint seen **** yet"
Now please dont think i am attacking your or whatever. I'm just pointing out that your at a point in the game where things do pick up some. That art that is teamwork and community in this game begins to become frustrating and drama filled.
I miss the old days.
edit- oh yeah, even bst need help with their af and such so they are no exception ^^
Edited, Tue Jan 4 02:09:20 2005 by CerebusMag
wow, sounds like someone thought they could beat the game... hmmm... that would mean... lv75 all jobs, all AF, all quests in all nations, rank10 all nations, all zilart done, all CoP done, several ballista trips, gazillions of trips to dynamis and BCNM's, full AF2 set for all jobs, full un-cursed equips, all the rare/ex equip in the game... hmmm
that sounds like a 10 year project...
that's my last point and thought on this conversation. I will not respond nor check this thread again.
Thank you, Goodbye.
that sounds like a 10 year project...
that's my last point and thought on this conversation. I will not respond nor check this thread again.
Thank you, Goodbye.
Morn I'm even confused on that one bud.
I thought Mag (Reg isn't it?) was polite in his debate on that last post. OH well.
One thing I would like to comment on though.
Knowing the Enthuz way of thinking (and semi-agreeing with him on this aspect) I'm sure he meant that it's not so much the multi-player aspect as much as the required interaction with new people. The building of relationships (ally,enemy, etc) with a REAL person behind a digital representation vs. adhering to a truly fictional character (ie. Cloud Strife, or Yuna). If I know Enthuz like I think I do, I believe this is where he gets his "not just a game" theory. To that sense, I agree. But I still say game +. :-b
I thought Mag (Reg isn't it?) was polite in his debate on that last post. OH well.
One thing I would like to comment on though.
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So what makes FF not just a game? Is it the multiplayer aspect of it? If so, was say mario kart more then a game? I fail to see how this is any different then any other online game- rpg or not.
Knowing the Enthuz way of thinking (and semi-agreeing with him on this aspect) I'm sure he meant that it's not so much the multi-player aspect as much as the required interaction with new people. The building of relationships (ally,enemy, etc) with a REAL person behind a digital representation vs. adhering to a truly fictional character (ie. Cloud Strife, or Yuna). If I know Enthuz like I think I do, I believe this is where he gets his "not just a game" theory. To that sense, I agree. But I still say game +. :-b
This is not about me waiting, it is about others waiting. I hate how I can almost feel thier frustration. Wanting to ease it, is out of my grasp almost everytime...
I can pretty much tell how happy people are in PT's I'm in. Some people leave jobs they love and go 'mage' because they are so very tired of waiting to play, but even that can last for so long til it is'nt any different. It is this aspect of the game that has bothered me for the longest time. My thing is, if level range wasn't so important, none of this would exist.
Frustration like up above.
Edited, Tue Jan 4 12:01:28 2005 by Zaleshea
I can pretty much tell how happy people are in PT's I'm in. Some people leave jobs they love and go 'mage' because they are so very tired of waiting to play, but even that can last for so long til it is'nt any different. It is this aspect of the game that has bothered me for the longest time. My thing is, if level range wasn't so important, none of this would exist.
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Lets face it im level 62 and im 31k to my next level, dont you think that that on its own is enough frigin time to wait? If you level 70+ you have like 40k tnl that could take like 8 hours just to get one damn level. That is enough waiting if you ask me there should be no reason you have to wait 10 hours to get into a party (prey to god the pt last longer then an hour) and then you got to get 31k to get your next level give me a frigin brake. Anyone that thinks that this is not a game and that you should have to wait hours and hours to get a pt invite I only have one thing to say to you people and that is, you all need to get out more!
Frustration like up above.
Edited, Tue Jan 4 12:01:28 2005 by Zaleshea
Morn- beating the game is a personal goal- unique to each person.
To some, getting to lvl 75 is beating the game.
To others gettin all the missions done is.
Some want to max crafts.
But if your talking about how i said you could beat any old ff game averagely in a short time then here is what ya do.
Exp to level 75. Do your promy missions at the apportiate level. Then once your done with those you should be of level to do zilart missions. Along the way you do your rank missions, again as your level permits you to contribute. Get your afs as they come up.
There you go, you've just beat the game on the average path. Doing all sidequests, uber gear, other missions is bonus material- in all other ff's you could be the game without your uber weapon, nor seeing all the little quests/missions.
Your arguement was alil off- i said you can beat it easy without all the extra stuff. You included just about all the extra stuff in the game.
Oh, and leetfade- its Mag, Reg is a good friend of mine.
I dunno, in any online game you can build relationships. Clans in Counterstrike for instance. You work with other people int he game for success just like in this game. However i wouldnt call any online shooter more then a game.
Maybe we just need to agree to disagree here.
To some, getting to lvl 75 is beating the game.
To others gettin all the missions done is.
Some want to max crafts.
But if your talking about how i said you could beat any old ff game averagely in a short time then here is what ya do.
Exp to level 75. Do your promy missions at the apportiate level. Then once your done with those you should be of level to do zilart missions. Along the way you do your rank missions, again as your level permits you to contribute. Get your afs as they come up.
There you go, you've just beat the game on the average path. Doing all sidequests, uber gear, other missions is bonus material- in all other ff's you could be the game without your uber weapon, nor seeing all the little quests/missions.
Your arguement was alil off- i said you can beat it easy without all the extra stuff. You included just about all the extra stuff in the game.
Oh, and leetfade- its Mag, Reg is a good friend of mine.
I dunno, in any online game you can build relationships. Clans in Counterstrike for instance. You work with other people int he game for success just like in this game. However i wouldnt call any online shooter more then a game.
Maybe we just need to agree to disagree here.
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