I almost didn't beleive that this had happened and had I not been at a friend's house with him watching I would not have believed it.
It was an afternoon like any other for me and I had just gotten a party in the dunes, layout of the party was two nin/war (I was one of them)a jp smn/whm, two thf, and a mnk. At the level of my main (56drk) this probably would not have worked but in the dunes it can. Upon reaching this party we saw that there was a high level smn/whm in the area (50+ named Rectiene if anyone knows her) and she was nice enough to power level us for a while. Obviously myself and the other Nin were tanking unless the PL took aggro at which point she could keep it, so the party goes for a while and then eventually the pt leader (the mnk) has to leave. So to replace him we find a 15 blm with no sub whose name I will not mention. So we are fighting and the blm is casting fire like crazy on the pugs we were pulling, the other nin and I lost aggro to the blm once but we quickly pulled it off after one hit and the battle proceeded smoothly.
Anyway as we're progressing the blm starts to complain that the power leveler won't cast protect on her so the other Nin/war and I both say that it is not the the PL's responsibility to cast protect on you. Honestly if your going to blame anyone for taking a hit then it should be the tanks who are supposed to be holding aggro, so after two more battles the Blm says that since the PL won't cast protect she's leaving. Now I ask you, why would you turn down a free power level when your not really running the risk of dying and even if you do die you will probably get double the experience you would have had?
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being a 15 BLM with no sub who is nuking like crazy, he is better off without a PL... he may have to die a few times before he realizes not to nuke so hard in the early going.
Yeah I don't think anyone without a sub job should even know what a power level is. I'm not trying to discriminate, but they really need to learn their job first. All it does is teach them bad habits and then we are left with more bad players. The thing is, we can't really blame them then. They need to be molded on their way up. ;-b
I turn down free powerlevels all the time... Why?
Because more often than not, the parties end up being slower xp due to some of the members wanting to take on the hardest IT mobs which no one can hit or damage just so they can get 200 exp a pop.
When in the dunes, I'll settle for 80+ exp per kill if its a 30-40 second battle. I can't stand fighting something for 10 minutes to get 200 exp.
If everyone can band together, hopefully have a decent level range (2-3 levels, tank and melees should be a higher level than mages), figure out the strengths and weaknesses of the party, and know which monsters to fight, you don't need a powerleveler. Even if the party doesn't have the best equipment (needless to say, lets hope their tank isn't wearing level 1 equipment), it is still possible to get decent exp in a party if it is well rounded and you aren't taking on IT++++++ mobs.
I know it is sometimes impossible to put together a decent party in the dunes, but I have turned down invites or left parties because they were badly formed parties (typically causing extremely slow exp gain, and more often deaths). I'm not in a rush to get exp, but if I am getting exp, I'd like to do it at a steady pace and more often when I wait, or put together my own party, it is decent and does well.
As Robification stated, if there are people in the party who don't have subjobs, it definately would be to their advantage -not- having a powerlevler as they won't learn their jobs, or how to control their abilities so their tanks don't lose hate.
Sure powerlevelers make it easy to get through some of the earlier stages of the game, and really there are few who enjoy the dunes, but if you want a powerlevel, you could do it solo with you and the powerleveler and kill {Tough} monsters (they give 120+ exp per kill solo, some even 200) if you're a melee class, and probably {Decent Challenge} or {Even Match} if you're a mage class.
I'm sure others share my views, and would decline an invite to a powerleveled party for such reasons. That BLM in your party, DrkMateo, was just being a bit rediculous, if not newbish (protect isn't that big of a deal to a mage class, especially when you have a powerleveler, is it?).
Because more often than not, the parties end up being slower xp due to some of the members wanting to take on the hardest IT mobs which no one can hit or damage just so they can get 200 exp a pop.
When in the dunes, I'll settle for 80+ exp per kill if its a 30-40 second battle. I can't stand fighting something for 10 minutes to get 200 exp.
If everyone can band together, hopefully have a decent level range (2-3 levels, tank and melees should be a higher level than mages), figure out the strengths and weaknesses of the party, and know which monsters to fight, you don't need a powerleveler. Even if the party doesn't have the best equipment (needless to say, lets hope their tank isn't wearing level 1 equipment), it is still possible to get decent exp in a party if it is well rounded and you aren't taking on IT++++++ mobs.
I know it is sometimes impossible to put together a decent party in the dunes, but I have turned down invites or left parties because they were badly formed parties (typically causing extremely slow exp gain, and more often deaths). I'm not in a rush to get exp, but if I am getting exp, I'd like to do it at a steady pace and more often when I wait, or put together my own party, it is decent and does well.
As Robification stated, if there are people in the party who don't have subjobs, it definately would be to their advantage -not- having a powerlevler as they won't learn their jobs, or how to control their abilities so their tanks don't lose hate.
Sure powerlevelers make it easy to get through some of the earlier stages of the game, and really there are few who enjoy the dunes, but if you want a powerlevel, you could do it solo with you and the powerleveler and kill {Tough} monsters (they give 120+ exp per kill solo, some even 200) if you're a melee class, and probably {Decent Challenge} or {Even Match} if you're a mage class.
I'm sure others share my views, and would decline an invite to a powerleveled party for such reasons. That BLM in your party, DrkMateo, was just being a bit rediculous, if not newbish (protect isn't that big of a deal to a mage class, especially when you have a powerleveler, is it?).
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In my book... "Powerlevel" is a bad word.
If anyone has been to the Dunes or Qufim lately (I just got THF to 18 recently), there is a troubling trend forming. Players who have been powerleveled their entire careers think that a party can not function without a powerleveler. I've seen people LEAVE a party because there is no PL.
While leveling my THF, I got invited to more parties with PLs than without them. I turned each one of them down.
That BLM is a classic example of the new breed of Powerleveled newbies. Because someone else didn't want to take the time and effort to properly level their subjob or whatever, they had a friend come along to PL their party. Almost understandable. But what about the other members of that party? Especially the newer players? They get a free ride, also. They end up like the BLM in the story... not knowing how to do their job properly and depending on the PL to bail their party out of the mess they created. Sure, the Dunes "suck" to some people. I rather enjoy leveling there sometimes. I take satisfaction out of teaching newer players things.
Powerleveling only accomplishes one thing: Making high-level noobs. (And that is not a term I use often). Congratulations! You got your THF sub through the Dunes in record time! Oh... but look... that WAR that was in your PLed party still doesn't know what he's doing because you neveer gave him a chance to learn. And now, he's your tank in Yhoator. Now it's going to be slower leveling for everyone in a much more difficult place. The exp you're going to lose will be much more than what you would have lost in the Dunes. Sure, you could leave the party, and maybe get a better one. However, odds are that the same situation will arise in your next party, and your next one. Maybe the THF can't pull, or the WHM can't heal. Different problem, same reason.
The new breed of "Powerleveled Noobs" is taking over.
And we have noone to blame but ourselves.
Edit: Wow... upon a second reading, that turned into a bit more of a rant than I had intended... built-up frustration, I guess.
Edited, Fri Jan 7 15:11:35 2005 by Ralken
If anyone has been to the Dunes or Qufim lately (I just got THF to 18 recently), there is a troubling trend forming. Players who have been powerleveled their entire careers think that a party can not function without a powerleveler. I've seen people LEAVE a party because there is no PL.
While leveling my THF, I got invited to more parties with PLs than without them. I turned each one of them down.
That BLM is a classic example of the new breed of Powerleveled newbies. Because someone else didn't want to take the time and effort to properly level their subjob or whatever, they had a friend come along to PL their party. Almost understandable. But what about the other members of that party? Especially the newer players? They get a free ride, also. They end up like the BLM in the story... not knowing how to do their job properly and depending on the PL to bail their party out of the mess they created. Sure, the Dunes "suck" to some people. I rather enjoy leveling there sometimes. I take satisfaction out of teaching newer players things.
Powerleveling only accomplishes one thing: Making high-level noobs. (And that is not a term I use often). Congratulations! You got your THF sub through the Dunes in record time! Oh... but look... that WAR that was in your PLed party still doesn't know what he's doing because you neveer gave him a chance to learn. And now, he's your tank in Yhoator. Now it's going to be slower leveling for everyone in a much more difficult place. The exp you're going to lose will be much more than what you would have lost in the Dunes. Sure, you could leave the party, and maybe get a better one. However, odds are that the same situation will arise in your next party, and your next one. Maybe the THF can't pull, or the WHM can't heal. Different problem, same reason.
The new breed of "Powerleveled Noobs" is taking over.
And we have noone to blame but ourselves.
Edit: Wow... upon a second reading, that turned into a bit more of a rant than I had intended... built-up frustration, I guess.
Edited, Fri Jan 7 15:11:35 2005 by Ralken
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Officially, I had never gotten a "Power Level". And I made it to lv 68 on my main, lv37 on my sub, and mulitple mid teen's jobs.
Not only that I don't really want a PL, but I will rather not give one neither. The only time is that there is a WHM who beg me to help him get 300 xp to get his level back after he was KO and deleveled.
In my experience, PL party not necessary out-xp a good xp party. Also, IMHO, PL is what makes bad players...
Not only that I don't really want a PL, but I will rather not give one neither. The only time is that there is a WHM who beg me to help him get 300 xp to get his level back after he was KO and deleveled.
In my experience, PL party not necessary out-xp a good xp party. Also, IMHO, PL is what makes bad players...
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In my experience, PL party not necessary out-xp a good xp party.
I agree with this. I've had good parties with a PL, but every truly great party I've had has been without one.
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