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#1 Jan 10 2005 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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We may have lost people to WoW, but I think we are also losing people because someone quits over drama or personal conflict in this game. I have heard too much of the latter recently, and I lost (or close to lose -- and got asked to help in such conflicts) a few people I know just because of that.

It really saddens me some of that can easily be prevent by showing some courtousey and care in the game. A little warm hearted words as a friend can prevent a lot from happening. Sometimes just the showing of good and caring spirit is good enough. Having someone beside can sometimes make a big difference.

Some people thinks drama is a sport and is fun (some is just plain greed). To me, that is some of the reason that leads to people to quit (and they have no friends to fall back to). You can play the game you want, but do not choose people who do not want to play your way to get involved.

I really hate people leaving for being hurt or being screwed. So {Please} {Help me out!}. Show some smile and care, everyone will be happy.

This post is sparked by some events that I know happened recently to people in certain LSs and people on my friends list.

/rant off, steam off.

Another Amanada Rant



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#2 Jan 10 2005 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Tue Jan 11 03:24:34 2005 by Darkdyweller
#3 Jan 11 2005 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I like the silent/quiet method. IMO, unless the arguement is about me, I'm not about to toss in anything that will "add to the flame." I find that the silent/quiet method works well, but nothing is more contagious these days than a plain smile ^_^ ...sorry that was corny, but that's what my friend says all the time.

Off-Topic: Amanada...btw are you male/female IRL? Just wondering...

Edit: i don no engrish.

Edited, Tue Jan 11 00:18:09 2005 by chinqlinq
#4 Jan 11 2005 at 1:21 AM Rating: Default
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CHINQLINQ! how ya been man? >.>

i tend to agree with that amanda... it's amazing how much appreciative people are when you're there for them, whether or not anything get's accomplished.
#5 Jan 11 2005 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I originally thought nobody replied because this is a senesentive topic to talk about. I am glad someone replied.

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Personally, I like the silent/quiet method. IMO, unless the arguement is about me, I'm not about to toss in anything that will "add to the flame."


I agree with you Ching, but I always think that got to be something people can do to reduce drama and troubles. May be talking about it in private or discuss why dramas are no good will be helpful.

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Off-Topic: Amanada...btw are you male/female IRL? Just wondering...


I will soon post a pic of mine in FFXIplayers. I do not think a lot of people know that answer except good friends of mine or people in my LS. ;) Not sure if this the place to tell you, but please send me a /tell in game or await the picture.

One thing I can tell you, I am not married in the game ;)
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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel

Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand

A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
#6 Jan 11 2005 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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One thing I can tell you, I am not married in the game ;)

Well that's an ambiguous answer. LoL. That could mean you're not married because you're a male IRL playing a female character (which is a scary norm lately. LoL {and in no way is that meant to be a gay bashing statement}), or it could mean that you're hinting that you're available and looking to get married in game.

You are one that has me confused too. I used to think you were a female for sure but some of the ways that you phrase things has me wondering. LoL.

One thing to add to this original post, I have noticed too many people that say they have been "screwed over" or lied to. I guess this takes us back to the thing that Enthuz and many others have stated many, many times. Yes this is a digital, or "VR", world but there are emotions and feelings behind those characters that you interact with. Show some compassion and respect to those around you. It goes a LONG way.

I had a run-in of this nature last night. Someone of a pretty good level on a RDM job ready to quit because of such happenings. I'm not giving said person's name because I don't know the story behind it and I fear an all too common flame war.

Irrelevant of the person involved, it's sad to see anyone quitting because people opted to destroy this person's game experience. It's REALLY sad to know how much time people put into building relationships and their character to be more or less pushed out of the game.

Take Amanada's advice and do something to enrich another players experience. Karma is a beautiful thing. I've done as much as I can to help random people and build relationships. It's done me well so far in that quite a few I've helped or just befriended ended up becoming pretty decent friends. It's not so much the level/skill of the player but the comradery and fun times that I can have with these people make me excited to log on every day to my alternate reality. :-b.
#7 Jan 11 2005 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone want to help me get past the Banishing gates


{You can have that.} Find 2 more people and we are set for that. I am close to getting no aggro there (except from slimy frogs), so I can help look for coffer easily.

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it could mean that you're hinting that you're available and looking to get married in game.


Yes that is true. ^^;;;

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You are one that has me confused too. I used to think you were a female for sure but some of the ways that you phrase things has me wondering. LoL.


You said it. This is VR, you don't really know who I am.

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Irrelevant of the person involved, it's sad to see anyone quitting because people opted to destroy this person's game experience. It's REALLY sad to know how much time people put into building relationships and their character to be more or less pushed out of the game


IMO, that happens because of greed and people forget the "true goal" of the game. People got screwed because some other thinks there is gain to that (like an item they want, or gil they want, or just simply ego).

May be what I meant by "True Goal" is different with others, but I think people who play the game for friendship and meeting friends are the stayers.

w If I am really into leveling or being umber and considering how crazy I play, I could have 2 level 75 jobs already.


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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel

Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand

A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
#8 Jan 11 2005 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
I had a friend leave not long ago due to it was just time to go but there was a drama event that took place that made him realize it. Sad but true people hurt other people. As for myself in game I help everyone I can help. Ive helped with quest, given away over 100k to a newer player because he needed it, escorted guys through to Jueno, talked them through quest and the list goes on. One thing I am not very well known for is that I do not get attatched to virtual relationships really. I have guy friends I talk to that are good friends but irl im married and I play to play for my enjoyment not the social aspects although I do enjoy some of the social interaction. I tend to be more militaristic (former US Marine so go figure) and my methods and mentality can turn off some people but hey we are all human some get along better with certain personality types.

For those that find themselfs getting caught up in all the drama let me give you this piece of advice. Yes we all know that this is only a game but remember there are real people on the other end of the controller with real feelings. If you find yourself getting too emotionally attatched to things its time to take a little break. Even though there are real people involved there is no reason to beat yourself up over someone in this game. Life itself is too grand and wonderful to be caught up in this virtual world to the point that it can hurt you.

Quite simply if I come to like someone I keep in touch or help them when I see they need it. If I join a LS its because I like the people in it not a specific person. If I dislike a person because they are a bad person I tell them simply, dont come around me there is no negotiateing that fact so dont /tell me and leave me alone. Maybe my methods are not ones some would recommend because I am by nature logical, calculateing and accept the obvious. Its not that I do not try to "understand" our fellow players and thier culture or "maybe they just dont see it that way" I already understand and know this. One simple fact is I agree to disagree and we can be friends and get along great but you can not change my mind just like I cannot change your mind. So often so much of this drama is caused by people trying to change something about a person because they feel something about that person or for that person. When that time comes maybe this game has become a little too real. When this time comes I think if you can civily talk to the other individual to work out any issues do so and if need be make it public in say your LS. If you cannot then its time to draw the line and move on in the game just like you would in life.

To end my long rambleing and this is funny comeing from me since I am typically the "militaristic one" take into consideration other peoples feeling and that they have them. Everyone has feelings, everyone hurts, crys, lauphs, smiles and frowns. Just try to remember that despite the feelings this is after all a game. If they show you that they dont care about your feelings and continue to be problemmatic simply sever the connection and move on. After all we become what we are by overcomeing our obsticals not becomeing bound by them.
#9 Jan 11 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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{You can have that.} Find 2 more people and we are set for that. I am close to getting no aggro there (except from slimy frogs), so I can help look for coffer easily.

/bow
I've all but given up on that f'n coffer but I think I could find 2 others. Any takers? LoL.

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You said it. This is VR, you don't really know who I am.

In the infamous words of Enthuz... "Bah"

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it could mean that you're hinting that you're available and looking to get married in game.




Yes that is true. ^^;;;


What do I win?? LoL My fiancee has been MIA for a month or so now. *sniff* Now since this is "VR" how do you play this one? Take it like a playa and find a new one, or virtual mourn. LoL. *sigh* too confusing. Oh well. I had 4 requests for wedding dates declined due to an influx of requests on that date. I find that pretty hard to believe considering I was requesting two months out.
#10 Jan 11 2005 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Let's get that release date on Amanada's picture. I'm getting incredibly curious...lol
#11 Jan 11 2005 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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LeetFade wrote:
My fiancee has been MIA for a month or so now. *sniff* Now since this is "VR" how do you play this one? Take it like a playa and find a new one, or virtual mourn.

I had 4 requests for wedding dates declined due to an influx of requests on that date. I find that pretty hard to believe considering I was requesting two months out.


My fiancee is in her third month away from the game, due to circumstances beyond her control. I'm still in mourning as anyone on my LS can attest. ^^

As to wedding dates, each is a lottery, with everyone who has asked for that date — from all servers (there is only one person who performs the weddings) — tossed in together. Reportedly there have never been less that 100 applicants for any lottery, and many times it goes way, way above that.

My wedding plans are on hold since an innactive character cannot win a lottery. /sigh
#12 Jan 11 2005 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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We may have lost people to WoW


Not quite true i'm still around ^^

But as far as this topic goes i'm glad to see something like this. Hopefully it will create a more mature atmosphere in game. Yet then again People tend to forget, that behind the character in the virtual world, there is a real person gazing through the looking glass of a screen manipulating thier character to do what they wish. We as people have every power to either destroy ones enjoyment or prevent it. I choose to prevent it, and offer words of encouragement. Ask my taru taru buddy Sano ^_^ he will tell ya. So many a time he wanted to quit, and out of all those times i was always there to tell him "Dude you worked so hard to come where you are why quit now?" He has told me if it wasn't for me he would have quit a long time ago, and never have reached lvl 75.

Edited, Tue Jan 11 18:41:02 2005 by Raikuken
#13 Jan 12 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Let's get that release date on Amanada's picture. I'm getting incredibly curious...lol

/grin
I know. :-x but I'm not telling. :-b

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My fiancee is in her third month away from the game, due to circumstances beyond her control.


Mine just disappeared and NOONE knows what happened to my knowledge. /sigh "The Runaway Bride" comes to mind. LoL. I really want to see the wedding too.
#14 Jan 12 2005 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
I completely agree with the OP.

However, when everybody on the LS knows that you're a fifteen year old, nobody ever takes you seriously.
#15 Jan 12 2005 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Off-Topic: Amanada...btw are you male/female IRL? Just wondering...
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I do not think a lot of people know that answer except good friends of mine or people in my LS.


i know but i'll never tell....lol
#16 Jan 14 2005 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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This kinda looks like a personal discussion, but anyway i'll post my comment.

My first friend in the game was a mithra mnk in the times when i was an unsubbed War in the Dunes, a month after she disappeared, nobody in her LS knew about her and i never saw her again.

Until this week. I logged to POL at www.playonline.com and i had a message from her, saying that she was back and stuff, so it made me happy to see that after like 4 months she had returned.



Talking about getting married, something not very nice happened to me. I met a girl and made good friends with her. After one month we decided to marry, i wanted to be at least lvl 40, so we could have a better armor, cuz i didn't want to be there on RSE neither her.

I, well a friend, did the request for the wedding, but it was declined, the same with a couple of requests later on. So it was almost december, and i was going on holidays (this is my last week out of FFXI) so we said that it would be at the end of January.

Our relationship was going pretty good, i went to met her irl and everything, but since this year i haven't been able to talk with her on anyway at all, not even by phone or by the internet. It seems i never can't find her. I thought that maybe i was calling at the wrong times, when she was working, or maybe playing and her phones was somewhere else and whatever.

But then i discovered that i could log on to Pol by the website, so i sent her a message and came back the next day, not reply and she was online on my friendlist, not answer, well maybe she left the game on, and forgot to reply to my message. I came the next day, and still no answer from any of my messages. And it has been the same like that until today.

So i'm really annoyed, i think she dummped me for someone else, it's the most obvious thing, but hell, she could say something, if she doesn't wanna answer the phone it's alright but then write me back and tell me to f**k off, but not even that. I don't discard that something really weird has happened but my pride is being affected and i don't like that.

So resuming, i went off FFXI for some weeks, having an in-game gf, that after meeting changed to real life gf, 3 weeks later she forgot about me and went with another DRK, an ******* if you ask me. Well, the story of my life.

At least a friend that wanted to marry me in PSO the last year, but i never played that game, started playing FFXI this month, so maybe i'll marry her instead -_-
#17 Jan 14 2005 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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But then i discovered that i could log on to Pol by the website, so i sent her a message and came back the next day, not reply and she was online on my friendlist, not answer, well maybe she left the game on, and forgot to reply to my message. I came the next day, and still no answer from any of my messages. And it has been the same like that until today


There is a chance her character got sold. That is something I hate too. People should have some class and not to sell their character. If you are going to quit, give the character to your friend, or delete it. Selling is against TOS.

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if she doesn't wanna answer the phone it's alright but then write me back


That is one thing I really do not like, both in things like that or in game when some asked you for help or PT. POL messaging, /away and search comment created for a reason. If you are ignoring a /tell or message intentionally is quite rude. It is ok to say No, but ignoring is rude.

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i know but i'll never tell....lol


Wynn and me go back for a very long time w


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-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel

Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand

A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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