Ok I would like to tell you all about a situation I had last night and ask you where I stand because I feel I was done dirty by a LS Leader last night.
Ok I used to be in a LS named "Pockey Brigade". This LS consisted of one of my RLF's and a lot of really cool peepz. PB recently merged with another LS named "Your Fantasy". YF consisted of a lot of high lvl people who were all for the most very friendly. I finally got a pearl for the newly merged LS and the first thing I do when I get on is ask ne1 if they need to kill the NM Dark Spark for PLD JSE Gloves. I let them know that I would be doing it around 12am and that I had a lvl 75PLD friend taking me to do it and if they needed the help then they could join me in the assult. So when I joined this LS I came to help others right off the start. That is good right? I would think so myself.
Ok last night members of YF who have not been on in a while logged on and one of them happened to be the leader of YF. Her name is Fowler a lvl 75PLD. I noticed that she was discussing how the LS grew so much bigger while she was gone. Point of this is that she should expect and respect that fact that new members of YF from PB would most likely be asking for help.
So here is what happened...
I was hurting for gil so me and my friend camped Leaping Lizzy and got the drop. Leaping Boots run for 500K in Jeuno AH. Since I was really struggling for money I diddnt have the 10.2K on me to even sell the boots nor did my friend at the time. So I ask the LS if ne1 could spot me 8K so I could sell my boots and I would pay them right back. But I dont get a responce from ne1. So I ask again thinking maybe they diddnt see the message. Then Fowler says "I dont even know you person, why would I loan you 8K??" And I say, "Well I am in the LS am I not? That mean some1 here is my friend and trusts me enough to give me a pearl right?" So disreguarding what I just said she informs me again that she wouldnt give me 8K to sell the boots. So I say, "Man.. thats ******." And then starts attacking me say that I am calling everyone in the LS ******************* I say "no no no.. You misunderstood my comment. I meant (man.. thats ******) as in (man.. what a bummer)." And so she disreguards what I say again and proceeds to claim that I am telling her that the people in the LS is ******. Now why would I say that about the people in the LS when infact a small majority of them belonged to PB the former LS I was in? Sadly enough none of the PB members were on at the time.
So while I am trying to clear the misunderstanding up I tell Fowler, "Look, you just misundertood me. Please chill out." And this is what happens next. Fowler said to me, "Word of advice, never tell a lady to chill out!" And poof! She breaks my pearl. After that I send a /tell asking why she diddnt let me fix the problem. She tells me that I have a bad attitude and telling her to chill out is very rude. How is telling some1 to chill out rude? Isnt that the same as saying "calm down"??
So neway she attacks me again in /tell claiming that I called everyone in the LS ****** people. So at this point I lose my cool (finally) and we exchange harsh words. Later after that I realize that she most likely /blisted me so I ask a friend to tell her that I apologize for losing my cool and I would like to speak to her. She denies my offer. I log onto my mule and talk to her letting her know that I am sorry for losing my cool and I should have been the bigger man and kept my words to myself. So we chat for a bit discussing the situation.
This is what I ask her. "you are the leader right?" yes "ok and as the leader of the ls do you care about the integrity of your member's word?" yes "so dont you think that that loaning a member of your LS a measly 8K would be a great way to see if I am a man of my word?" Then she tells me that she doesnt like my attitude and that is why she diddnt want to loan me the gil. But just a second ago she said that the reason was because she diddnt know me. She also said that I need to work on my people skillz. And I tell her maybe she is right. But she could have gone about things this way rather than the way she did in the first place. So I tell her, "instead of saying you are not gonna loan me any gil because you dont know me you could have said, I would like to Split but I would like to get to know you a little better before I take that step." So infact maybe we "both" need to work on our people skills.
So at this point im sure she feels that she is wrong in all this. But instead of accepting my apology and fixing the problem she says, "This conversation is over! Good luck finding another LS." I mean after all I am sure that we all know that we dont like to admit it when we are wrong. And her being a LS leader she has the power to where she can just boot me and have her way with me and I will never get a chance to earn the support by explaining myself to the members that only know me through her side of the story. All I can do is hope that PB members will be on and support me and hopefully see that she is not acting like a leader should and eventually break the merge and get things back the way they used to be.
So I ask all who read this post.. Was I done dirty in this whole childish argument or am I really a jerk and just dont realize it? I put myself in Fowler's shoes but I just cannot see the lack of respect I may have shown her.
With this in mind I would like to join a new LS (accepting the fact that I may not ever see Pockey Brigade again) with hopes to be able to help others and be helped by others. I am pretty high up there now so I am sure I can be a great asset to a LS. But if you are in a LS with people that dont have a sence of humor then it would be a bad idea for me to join because I am always joking around and looking for the next laugh.
Can someone please help me out?
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you said you were in the old LS... I would /tell the LS shell holder him/herself... Fowler needs to have the pearlsack priviledge removed... that is an abuse of power and an attitude of it's own... kinda hypocritical. A LS should be a family... it should never be: "It's this way cause I'm the PS holder... if you don't like, tough luck."
Personally, if a similar scenario were to occur to me, I'd be very upset I was "kicked out of my home", but I wouldn't move back if offered my old bed until the person who kicked me out is dealt with first.
Personally, if a similar scenario were to occur to me, I'd be very upset I was "kicked out of my home", but I wouldn't move back if offered my old bed until the person who kicked me out is dealt with first.
Fowler is the shellholder of YourFantasy. YourFantasy is a fairly prominent mid-level LS. Good luck there.
Anyhow, instead of the ****************** comment that you made earlier, you probably should have taken a short walk to Delkfutt's Tower and started killing some Goblins, or asked someone that you knew personally. I'll tell you, personally, asking people in the LS chat for gil when it's your first week in an LS is a no-no, LS merger or not.
Anyhow, instead of the ****************** comment that you made earlier, you probably should have taken a short walk to Delkfutt's Tower and started killing some Goblins, or asked someone that you knew personally. I'll tell you, personally, asking people in the LS chat for gil when it's your first week in an LS is a no-no, LS merger or not.
I'm sorry about your day Split. Sounds frustrating =(.
For readers, keep in mind there are always 2 sides to the story tho.
I would suggest speaking to the members of PB. Pehapes they will get PB together or resolve the situation.
For readers, keep in mind there are always 2 sides to the story tho.
I would suggest speaking to the members of PB. Pehapes they will get PB together or resolve the situation.
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I'll tell you, personally, asking people in the LS chat for gil when it's your first week in an LS is a no-no, LS merger or not.
Regardless... fact of the matter is LS leader got pissy and removed someone. That's an abusive LS leader... I would honestly be afraid to be in that LS cause I would be under the mind set of: "Gotta kiss Fowler's *** so I can stay in the LS..." If I ever disagreed with something Fowler said, I would have to bite my tongue and resist my 2 gil (which is very hard for me to do).
Personally, I see the asking for gil as an ill thing... However, Fowler's response to it was absured. Whereas a simple: "Please do not ask for gil in the LS" would work, "I dont even know you person, why would I loan you 8K??" was said instead.
One way lays down the rules and guidelines professionally... the other is a stuck up: "Who the hell are you to be asking me for gil" comment and nothing defining the rules of the LS. Then after further dialog was exchanged, the actions got profoundly more immature. Rather than stating: "We ask for no Gil/Gear begging in the LS... PERIOD. If you do not like it, please go elsewhere." or even giving Splitcell a warning, it was an action of: "You're pissing me off, so you're gone." IMO, that's not a leader, that's a dictator.
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I'll tell you, personally, asking people in the LS chat for gil when it's your first week in an LS is a no-no, LS merger or not.
Regardless... fact of the matter is LS leader got pissy and removed someone. That's an abusive LS leader... I would honestly be afraid to be in that LS cause I would be under the mind set of: "Gotta kiss Fowler's *** so I can stay in the LS..." If I ever disagreed with something Fowler said, I would have to bite my tongue and resist my 2 gil (which is very hard for me to do).
Personally, I see the asking for gil as an ill thing... However, Fowler's response to it was absured. Whereas a simple: "Please do not ask for gil in the LS" would work, "I dont even know you person, why would I loan you 8K??" was said instead.
One way lays down the rules and guidelines professionally... the other is a stuck up: "Who the hell are you to be asking me for gil" comment and nothing defining the rules of the LS. Then after further dialog was exchanged, the actions got profoundly more immature. Rather than stating: "We ask for no Gil/Gear begging in the LS... PERIOD. If you do not like it, please go elsewhere." or even giving Splitcell a warning, it was an action of: "You're pissing me off, so you're gone." IMO, that's not a leader, that's a dictator.
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IMO, that's not a leader, that's a dictator.
It's Fowler's LS. No one's gonna tell her what to do with it.
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Regardless... fact of the matter is LS leader got pissy and removed someone. That's an abusive LS leader...
Then what would it matter? You don't want to be in an LS with an abusive leader, she simply broke the pearl before the holder dropped it. It's in every linkshell holder's right to do so.
Arguing after the fact that Fowler is a bad leader because she kicked one person is pointless. In fact, it lessens his chances of getting back together with his old LS. In addition, YF being somewhat of a popular LS on Cerberus, it's unlikely his old LS would decide to cancel the split especially if they reap the benefits that YF offers its members. YF might not be at the level of KoN or NoThnx or PaiMei, but they do some lowbie HNM hunting, and are actually pretty good at it.
In short, this guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place. At least for only a few short days. I'd recommend instead of pressing hisself back into YourFantasy, that Split lays low for a couple of days. Fowler ain't known for her good temper, let her cool off.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 18:37:25 2005 by Jeryhn
While I'm sure the LS owner may have a different recollection of the same conversation, even taking this at face value I'm guessing that there was an unexpected language barrier. What is every day conversation to one is rude to the other. Why? Different areas use words differently. Different countries ... different states ... different cities ... even different neighborhoods. If you have to say, "no, you misunderstood me" after everything, you're simply not communicating on the same basis.
And if a LS owner sees a brand new member asking for gil and being rude right off the bat (from her point of view again) I can certainly understand the conclusion that this person will just not fit in.
I would expect a lot of friction from merging linkshells. That's just asking for trouble.
Edited for a typo. >.<
Edited, Mon Jan 17 18:57:40 2005 by numps
And if a LS owner sees a brand new member asking for gil and being rude right off the bat (from her point of view again) I can certainly understand the conclusion that this person will just not fit in.
I would expect a lot of friction from merging linkshells. That's just asking for trouble.
Edited for a typo. >.<
Edited, Mon Jan 17 18:57:40 2005 by numps
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I was in LS at the time this took place. First off, you asked for gil, no one replied and you said "Man that's ******". I am on rather often and last night was the first time I have seen you on the LS, so I am sure not many of the regulars know who you are. That comment by you is what sparked the whole situation. "Man that's ******" said by someone no one knows can be taken as an insult or an attack to those who were on and to many it was taken just as that. You made this comment before *anyone* replied to your request for gil, it was after that statement that Fowler said she didn't know you.
A few people said they didn't know you and wouldn't loan you the gil. It's not a question of your integrity and whether or not you would pay them back, it's a question of no one has seen you on LS, and you ask for gil, which doesn't look good. You furthered the argument by questioning Fowlers reasoning, which in my opinion was solid. You proceeded to make petty attempts to sway to the argument to your favor, in attempt to get her or us to loan you gil.
You then took the argument to /tell and from what I hear, you weren't very nice in those /tell's. Fowler is not one to lie and tells things how it is, she would have no reason to lie to the linkshell about the comments you made, so she broke your pearl. She even said it was only going to be temporary until things got worked out, then what did you do? You insult her and tell her she will get kicked from LS for her actions, then you asked for another pearl in which she said no, and you said....what was it? "FINE **** YOU"
It was at that point she said she won't have you back in LS. What you should have done instead of trying to prove your integrity and further the argument, you should have accepted the fact you weren't getting gil, taken 30 minutes of your time and farmed the money needed to sell the leaping boots. But you continued to argue and insult her which lead to the events that occurred.
From what I saw, Fowler was not wrong in anyway to do what she did, you added fuel to the fire instead of accepting what was already an answer to your request for gil. I highly doubt PB will break the merge considering *all* of YF has worked hard to get them their limit breaks, AF quests, among numerous other things accmoplished. We have been of much help to the members of PB and we are happy to have them with us. So far, you and this incident is the only problem to have occurred since the merger. You were wrong to press the issue like you did and you were wrong to have made the comments you made. Maybe Fowler will cool off and let you back in, but I highly doubt it.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 19:52:23 2005 by xXDomination
A few people said they didn't know you and wouldn't loan you the gil. It's not a question of your integrity and whether or not you would pay them back, it's a question of no one has seen you on LS, and you ask for gil, which doesn't look good. You furthered the argument by questioning Fowlers reasoning, which in my opinion was solid. You proceeded to make petty attempts to sway to the argument to your favor, in attempt to get her or us to loan you gil.
You then took the argument to /tell and from what I hear, you weren't very nice in those /tell's. Fowler is not one to lie and tells things how it is, she would have no reason to lie to the linkshell about the comments you made, so she broke your pearl. She even said it was only going to be temporary until things got worked out, then what did you do? You insult her and tell her she will get kicked from LS for her actions, then you asked for another pearl in which she said no, and you said....what was it? "FINE **** YOU"
It was at that point she said she won't have you back in LS. What you should have done instead of trying to prove your integrity and further the argument, you should have accepted the fact you weren't getting gil, taken 30 minutes of your time and farmed the money needed to sell the leaping boots. But you continued to argue and insult her which lead to the events that occurred.
From what I saw, Fowler was not wrong in anyway to do what she did, you added fuel to the fire instead of accepting what was already an answer to your request for gil. I highly doubt PB will break the merge considering *all* of YF has worked hard to get them their limit breaks, AF quests, among numerous other things accmoplished. We have been of much help to the members of PB and we are happy to have them with us. So far, you and this incident is the only problem to have occurred since the merger. You were wrong to press the issue like you did and you were wrong to have made the comments you made. Maybe Fowler will cool off and let you back in, but I highly doubt it.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 19:52:23 2005 by xXDomination
Ok I know I was not there, nor do I know any of the parties involved, so I'm offering a purely outside view on things. Honestly, I can see both points.
I'm not a LS holder but I do tend to take the forefront of BladeSingers (yes I'm a big mouth :-b) and honestly don't care for new members to ask for "hand-outs". Now don't misunderstand me, judging solely from your post I think you were sincere with your intent, but just a little poor in the delivery. In this situation I could see it being a little different due to the merger but I probably would have suggested waiting until some of your old LS members were on to ask said question.
The comment "that's sh*tty" could VERY easily be taken wrong. I personally would get defensive if my LS mates were made out to be unhelpful or rude in any way. I can see how you might not have meant it in that way because you just got a big ticket item but can't sell it because of new taxes. That is sh*tty. LoL. But I think the timing of it and with the context of the request it would have definitely come across as an attack to the LS and it's members.
Now in your defense, I know very well how it is to be misunderstood. I too have the problem of overdoing it to try to rectify the communication problem. The one thing I've learned is that 9 times out of 10, if an initial "I'm sorry that came out wrong" or something like that doesn't help, any further attempts will only worsen the problem. I understand you were frustrated about being removed from the LS (most would be a bit peaved) and your desire to correct the misconception, but some times people just need to cool off before rationality sets in.
Now from the LS leader's snap judgement POV (point of view), I've been in this situation and it really really sucks. Prior to this large intake of new members, we had a rather unhealthy altercation between myself and one of the original members. He mistook something I said as stating he was unhelpful or essentially an LS leech, I explained to him that I did not intend it as such but he continued. He got to the point of threatening me personally and I told him that he would no longer be a BladeSinger and broke his pearl.
Now even with a direct threat on me I felt bad about my snap judgement. I pulled together some of head people of BladeSingers as they logged on and we discussed the situation. I was willing to have a conversation in /tell with him and personally offer him a pearl back but I never heard from him. (we had a mediator that is a mutual RL friend of ours.. go figure). So I guess the point is more in defense of Fowler.
As a leader of an LS I personally see you as having an obligation to maintain the integrity of the LS. If there is an individual that you see as creating conflict in the LS, it is your job to remove the conflict, or remove the source. I personally, would run all my possible ejections by Speck and Abancai now (as I feel judgements of said nature should be), but when you're in the heat of the arguement, with someone new to your LS no less, you make instinct calls.
I know some pretty prominent players that claim YF as their LS so I'd imagine it is a rather well organized shell. Some times that can lead to the "I don't have to put up with you" attitude (not saying this is the case here), but judging from Hitokirin's post you upset more members than just Fowler. In this case, Fowler did the right thing. There really wasn't much that could have been done short of waiting to talk to PBs LS leader and discuss the situation. If the PB LS leader and Fowler were to discuss things, it probably would have remained more civil.
Yes it's easier to judge on the outside looking in, but I'm also trying to give advice from personal experience. I think you were genuine in wanting to rectify the situation but let yourself boil over which pretty much justified Fowler's perception of you as a person/player. It sounds like an unforunate incident that just happens some time.
If you are still without a home you're welcome to try the BladeSingers with the understanding that if offered another YF pearl that you would desire to return "home". In retrospect, grats on the boot drop. :-/
I'm not a LS holder but I do tend to take the forefront of BladeSingers (yes I'm a big mouth :-b) and honestly don't care for new members to ask for "hand-outs". Now don't misunderstand me, judging solely from your post I think you were sincere with your intent, but just a little poor in the delivery. In this situation I could see it being a little different due to the merger but I probably would have suggested waiting until some of your old LS members were on to ask said question.
The comment "that's sh*tty" could VERY easily be taken wrong. I personally would get defensive if my LS mates were made out to be unhelpful or rude in any way. I can see how you might not have meant it in that way because you just got a big ticket item but can't sell it because of new taxes. That is sh*tty. LoL. But I think the timing of it and with the context of the request it would have definitely come across as an attack to the LS and it's members.
Now in your defense, I know very well how it is to be misunderstood. I too have the problem of overdoing it to try to rectify the communication problem. The one thing I've learned is that 9 times out of 10, if an initial "I'm sorry that came out wrong" or something like that doesn't help, any further attempts will only worsen the problem. I understand you were frustrated about being removed from the LS (most would be a bit peaved) and your desire to correct the misconception, but some times people just need to cool off before rationality sets in.
Now from the LS leader's snap judgement POV (point of view), I've been in this situation and it really really sucks. Prior to this large intake of new members, we had a rather unhealthy altercation between myself and one of the original members. He mistook something I said as stating he was unhelpful or essentially an LS leech, I explained to him that I did not intend it as such but he continued. He got to the point of threatening me personally and I told him that he would no longer be a BladeSinger and broke his pearl.
Now even with a direct threat on me I felt bad about my snap judgement. I pulled together some of head people of BladeSingers as they logged on and we discussed the situation. I was willing to have a conversation in /tell with him and personally offer him a pearl back but I never heard from him. (we had a mediator that is a mutual RL friend of ours.. go figure). So I guess the point is more in defense of Fowler.
As a leader of an LS I personally see you as having an obligation to maintain the integrity of the LS. If there is an individual that you see as creating conflict in the LS, it is your job to remove the conflict, or remove the source. I personally, would run all my possible ejections by Speck and Abancai now (as I feel judgements of said nature should be), but when you're in the heat of the arguement, with someone new to your LS no less, you make instinct calls.
I know some pretty prominent players that claim YF as their LS so I'd imagine it is a rather well organized shell. Some times that can lead to the "I don't have to put up with you" attitude (not saying this is the case here), but judging from Hitokirin's post you upset more members than just Fowler. In this case, Fowler did the right thing. There really wasn't much that could have been done short of waiting to talk to PBs LS leader and discuss the situation. If the PB LS leader and Fowler were to discuss things, it probably would have remained more civil.
Yes it's easier to judge on the outside looking in, but I'm also trying to give advice from personal experience. I think you were genuine in wanting to rectify the situation but let yourself boil over which pretty much justified Fowler's perception of you as a person/player. It sounds like an unforunate incident that just happens some time.
If you are still without a home you're welcome to try the BladeSingers with the understanding that if offered another YF pearl that you would desire to return "home". In retrospect, grats on the boot drop. :-/
About Fowler, my personal experience with her has been really good. As stated by some posters, it is hard to get people lend you gil if they are not familar with you (I myself do not do that either). Begging, and ranting for people not listening can **** a lot of people off (it is like trying to manipulate people to lend you gil, and an indirect way calling them as unhelpful and bad).
A lot of people including me have been cheated for items and gil before, and that is why people are careful about such things.
The fact you spoke here and some FY people read it is good . That may help you getting pardoned for that. ^^
A lot of people including me have been cheated for items and gil before, and that is why people are careful about such things.
The fact you spoke here and some FY people read it is good . That may help you getting pardoned for that. ^^
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
General Opinion----
Goes back to the old saying of "Count to 10 before you speak." If the other person isn't doing it, you have to do it for them. This means counting to 20.
This particular subject is something I happen to be working on myself. Having been a bartender for 10 years, I have way too many practiced comebacks way too handy. My mouth gets me in trouble A LOT. Lucky for some in this game my little USB keyboard is hard to type on. I find myself calming down before I can type anything correctly....lol. If only I had to type everything in RL.....
.....ok, Nyru. Sit down and shut up. You have said enough already.....
Goes back to the old saying of "Count to 10 before you speak." If the other person isn't doing it, you have to do it for them. This means counting to 20.
This particular subject is something I happen to be working on myself. Having been a bartender for 10 years, I have way too many practiced comebacks way too handy. My mouth gets me in trouble A LOT. Lucky for some in this game my little USB keyboard is hard to type on. I find myself calming down before I can type anything correctly....lol. If only I had to type everything in RL.....
.....ok, Nyru. Sit down and shut up. You have said enough already.....
Well you asked my opinion, so here it is...
Now let's step outside all the background. The merger, your friends, all of that. Let's say you come back to your ls after an extended leave. Now you see this.
<Someone> Can I borrow some gil?
[No answer]
<Someone> Man, that's shi77y.
How would that make you feel?
Looking at that "Man, that's shi77y." comment, it's very hard for anyone to look at that for anything other than an insult or jib. I've never heard of someone using that word in reference to a situation. It's usually used to describe a person or a person's actions (or lack thereof). Whatever you say after the fact doesn't change that. I'm not saying that's how you intended the message to be recieved, just saying that's not how most people, especially in that circumstance, would read it.
Now, that being said. I am of the personal opinion that an ls shouldn't be a monarchy (or "dictatorship" if you want to be more dramatic about it). However that's just my opinion. As a PS holder this Fowler person had the right to kick whomever she wished, for whatever reason. It may have been a bit dramatic, but it is the consequence of you asking for gil and then complaining when you didn't get any. If you want back into this ls (why, I don't know), then I suggest you apologize for your actions to the whole ls and hope they are forgiving people. If they aren't, then I'm of the opinion you'd be better off in another ls.
And maybe next time, you'll be a little bit wiser for the wear. 8k isn't hard to make. As a rule, I would avoid asking people for gil under any circumstance. Good luck! I'm sure it will all work out for the best.
Now let's step outside all the background. The merger, your friends, all of that. Let's say you come back to your ls after an extended leave. Now you see this.
<Someone> Can I borrow some gil?
[No answer]
<Someone> Man, that's shi77y.
How would that make you feel?
Looking at that "Man, that's shi77y." comment, it's very hard for anyone to look at that for anything other than an insult or jib. I've never heard of someone using that word in reference to a situation. It's usually used to describe a person or a person's actions (or lack thereof). Whatever you say after the fact doesn't change that. I'm not saying that's how you intended the message to be recieved, just saying that's not how most people, especially in that circumstance, would read it.
Now, that being said. I am of the personal opinion that an ls shouldn't be a monarchy (or "dictatorship" if you want to be more dramatic about it). However that's just my opinion. As a PS holder this Fowler person had the right to kick whomever she wished, for whatever reason. It may have been a bit dramatic, but it is the consequence of you asking for gil and then complaining when you didn't get any. If you want back into this ls (why, I don't know), then I suggest you apologize for your actions to the whole ls and hope they are forgiving people. If they aren't, then I'm of the opinion you'd be better off in another ls.
And maybe next time, you'll be a little bit wiser for the wear. 8k isn't hard to make. As a rule, I would avoid asking people for gil under any circumstance. Good luck! I'm sure it will all work out for the best.
<--is in YF
<--is a YF sackholder
<--was present in shell during said situation.
<--was in PT with Fowler during said situation.
<--received tells from Splitcell during said situation.
With that as the backdrop, I'll give you my rendition of what happened. Just remember that the merger was agreed upon by both YF and PB. Since the merger, we have been MORE than accomodating in providing help for all those PB members that needed it. Everyone was fairly congratulatory on your leaping boots drop. You say you camped w/ a friend. You guys couldn't come up with 4k each between the both of you...so I guess you come into ls and ask for 8k. Last thing I had remembered was the 'well that's shi**y' comment. Yoink?! No thanks, I'm not gonna fork out 8k to someone that: a) I don't know b) have only seen in shell like once c) whines that nobody in the shell will give him 8k for a half mil drop.
Anyway, we all disagree with each other and put up with each other's whining and what not, but that's from people we recognize. What is not a fact is that Fowler has been away for awhile, so that is a hole in your story. Fact of the matter is you just show up when you want, which is your right, since you held a PB pearl. But asking us to pitch in 8k not knowing a thing about ya, then complaining about it, not the smartest move bud. Cussing her out, and calling her a f'n bi**h is also not wise. Any person would be defensive with that.
So, either you need to talk to Eponine (PB Shellleader) to see if some sort of diplomacy can be restored or ya need to move on. But to be honest, word in the grapevine was that even the PBholders were reluctant to give you a pearl after the merge. So maybe..you should start there before asking Fowler or putting all the blame on us.
Edited, Tue Jan 18 15:40:19 2005 by Thrillagorilla
<--is a YF sackholder
<--was present in shell during said situation.
<--was in PT with Fowler during said situation.
<--received tells from Splitcell during said situation.
With that as the backdrop, I'll give you my rendition of what happened. Just remember that the merger was agreed upon by both YF and PB. Since the merger, we have been MORE than accomodating in providing help for all those PB members that needed it. Everyone was fairly congratulatory on your leaping boots drop. You say you camped w/ a friend. You guys couldn't come up with 4k each between the both of you...so I guess you come into ls and ask for 8k. Last thing I had remembered was the 'well that's shi**y' comment. Yoink?! No thanks, I'm not gonna fork out 8k to someone that: a) I don't know b) have only seen in shell like once c) whines that nobody in the shell will give him 8k for a half mil drop.
Anyway, we all disagree with each other and put up with each other's whining and what not, but that's from people we recognize. What is not a fact is that Fowler has been away for awhile, so that is a hole in your story. Fact of the matter is you just show up when you want, which is your right, since you held a PB pearl. But asking us to pitch in 8k not knowing a thing about ya, then complaining about it, not the smartest move bud. Cussing her out, and calling her a f'n bi**h is also not wise. Any person would be defensive with that.
So, either you need to talk to Eponine (PB Shellleader) to see if some sort of diplomacy can be restored or ya need to move on. But to be honest, word in the grapevine was that even the PBholders were reluctant to give you a pearl after the merge. So maybe..you should start there before asking Fowler or putting all the blame on us.
Edited, Tue Jan 18 15:40:19 2005 by Thrillagorilla
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Thank you all for your opinions. Everyone pretty much sees this situation how I predicted them to. There were a couple things I saw in your posts that I would like to clear up though.
Domination
Actually since you "were" there during this whole conversation if you think back... I told Fowler "chill out" and she then said to me "Word of advice. Never tell a lady to chill out." and then infact that is when she booted me. So therefore that is when I sent her a /tell and tried to resolve the conversation. After she repeatedly denied me a resolve that is when I lost my cool and said the harsh words that I said.
But! I took numerous efforts to apologize to her by asking my friends to /tell her and let her know I wanted to say that I was sorry and yet she denied me the time to do so. So then I took it upon myself to switch to my mule and tell her myself. We had a timid conversation and I suggested the fact that letting me borrow and repay 8K would be a pretty easy way to see if I was a man of my word because if I cant pay someone back for a 8K loan then I am obviously not worth a damn.
As a LS member (at the time) she could have easily realized that since I had a pearl then obvioulsy someone trusted me enough to let me join. And with that in mind she could have used her leadership skills and determined that a small loan would infact be a great way to see what I was all about in terms of integrity. I feel that Fowler saw that my logic was undeniable so therefore she felt the need to end the conversation before she made herself out to be just your average mean person.
Domination
You are absolutely right about this. But there is just one thing that you diddnt know that may help you understand why I diddnt take your aforementioned actions.
Me being the picky and professional FFXI player I have this rule that I made for myself about leveling my jobs. I do not under any circumstance gain my next level until I have all the best gear on hand and ready to equip by that time. So here was the deal and the reason I asked my LS for the small loan.
Leaping Boots sell for 500K in Jeuno AH. If you look at how many sale per day you will realize that it is very possible that they can sell within hours after placing them in the AH. Therefore it was my intent to get the gil needed for the sale as quickly as possible to better my chances of having them sold before I was done for the night. I would rather use my time leveling than waiting around longer than I have to hoping that the Boots sell before it is time for me to log off because I would rather accomplish my goals quickly than to put them off and wait the next day. I try to use all my time sufficently. I am sure you can understand that.
Another more sentimental reason why I chose to ask for a loan rather than farming is this... Believe it or not I have only farmed one time in all my months of playing this game and I have some of the "best" gear you can get for my jobs. I have come this far and only farmed one time ever! So another goal of mine is to keep it that way. Kind of a record type deal with me. Some of my friends find it impressive that I have gone this far doing things the way I do them. Believe me, asking for gil is not something I enjoy doing but it was in my best interests at the time and hey... what is 8K to a level 75PLD named Fowler right? o_O
One more thing, dont even ask me why I diddnt sell some of my gear for the money because I just dont do things that way. My gear are the kinds that you keep forever and ever. And besides, I would have to wait even longer anyway for it to sell in the AH even if I chose to do so.
Krem
Absolutely! One thing that I really dont understand about some LS' is that they require you to do your own research and help yourself to try nearly impossible tasks before they want to help you. I agree that some things are better to find out for yourself such as storylines but to require you to research something like, "Can I solo my magicite in Davoi?" That is a simple yes or no question right? My point is why must I go to Allakhazam.com to find out the exact same thing that someone in my LS could have told me and it take much much less time to do so. Besides, isnt that what a LS is for? To help each other out? I would have given anyone in that LS 8K if they asked me for it reguardless if I knew them or not only for the simple fact that they are in fact in the "family" and it is my job as a member to assist anyone who needs help. Secondly I think it would be a good chance to make a friend.
Jeryhn
No one should ever have to walk on egg shells in fear of losing their pearl to a power tripped out leader. Fowler diddnt even give me a chance to set things right. She booted me because she claims that telling a lady to "chill out" is rude. Sorry but I am 22 years old living in the year 2005. We talk a little slangish and say "chill out" rather than calm down. This isnt a job interview. This is a "G A M E." Thank you...
Jeryhn
You are right. I dont want to be in a LS with an abusive leader. But that doesnt mean I would have dropped the pearl. My friendship with the other people in that LS out weighs Fowler's attitude problem by far. I would rather ignore her and continue to be with my friends. On the other hand after she denied my apology and offer of friendship I would rather not be seen in a LS belonging to her for I fear others who know her bad side may take me as a person similar to her. I can always just /tell a friend when I need them. Your Fantasy? {No thanks.}
GalkaAnimal
I already explained myself about that. But you should realized something. A LS is there for your help and support. That is what I asked for and that is what started me on my journey to "Good luck finding a new LS." Like I said before. If I am good enough to be in the LS then I am good enough to ask for help. Some people are just really spaced out and feene on making arguments and enjoy being rude. All this was a misunderstanding and Fowler could not except the fact that what I said diddnt mean what she took it as. She insisted that it meant I was telling her and the rest of the LS members that they were "Sh*tty People." It is obvious that she would rather take it the wrong way than say, "Oh im sorry, I misunderstood what you said but please make sure to avoid that next time." Thats just the way she is.
Well I think I said enough now. I thank you all again for your support and your criticism. Thank you for listening.
P.S LeetFade
I am more than interested in Bladesingers. Send me a /tell anytime. Thanx! ^_^
Domination
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You then took the argument to /tell and from what I hear, you weren't very nice in those /tell's. Fowler is not one to lie and tells things how it is, she would have no reason to lie to the linkshell about the comments you made, so she broke your pearl.
Actually since you "were" there during this whole conversation if you think back... I told Fowler "chill out" and she then said to me "Word of advice. Never tell a lady to chill out." and then infact that is when she booted me. So therefore that is when I sent her a /tell and tried to resolve the conversation. After she repeatedly denied me a resolve that is when I lost my cool and said the harsh words that I said.
But! I took numerous efforts to apologize to her by asking my friends to /tell her and let her know I wanted to say that I was sorry and yet she denied me the time to do so. So then I took it upon myself to switch to my mule and tell her myself. We had a timid conversation and I suggested the fact that letting me borrow and repay 8K would be a pretty easy way to see if I was a man of my word because if I cant pay someone back for a 8K loan then I am obviously not worth a damn.
As a LS member (at the time) she could have easily realized that since I had a pearl then obvioulsy someone trusted me enough to let me join. And with that in mind she could have used her leadership skills and determined that a small loan would infact be a great way to see what I was all about in terms of integrity. I feel that Fowler saw that my logic was undeniable so therefore she felt the need to end the conversation before she made herself out to be just your average mean person.
Domination
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you should have accepted the fact you weren't getting gil, taken 30 minutes of your time and farmed the money needed to sell the leaping boots.
You are absolutely right about this. But there is just one thing that you diddnt know that may help you understand why I diddnt take your aforementioned actions.
Me being the picky and professional FFXI player I have this rule that I made for myself about leveling my jobs. I do not under any circumstance gain my next level until I have all the best gear on hand and ready to equip by that time. So here was the deal and the reason I asked my LS for the small loan.
Leaping Boots sell for 500K in Jeuno AH. If you look at how many sale per day you will realize that it is very possible that they can sell within hours after placing them in the AH. Therefore it was my intent to get the gil needed for the sale as quickly as possible to better my chances of having them sold before I was done for the night. I would rather use my time leveling than waiting around longer than I have to hoping that the Boots sell before it is time for me to log off because I would rather accomplish my goals quickly than to put them off and wait the next day. I try to use all my time sufficently. I am sure you can understand that.
Another more sentimental reason why I chose to ask for a loan rather than farming is this... Believe it or not I have only farmed one time in all my months of playing this game and I have some of the "best" gear you can get for my jobs. I have come this far and only farmed one time ever! So another goal of mine is to keep it that way. Kind of a record type deal with me. Some of my friends find it impressive that I have gone this far doing things the way I do them. Believe me, asking for gil is not something I enjoy doing but it was in my best interests at the time and hey... what is 8K to a level 75PLD named Fowler right? o_O
One more thing, dont even ask me why I diddnt sell some of my gear for the money because I just dont do things that way. My gear are the kinds that you keep forever and ever. And besides, I would have to wait even longer anyway for it to sell in the AH even if I chose to do so.
Krem
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A LS should be a family... it should never be: "It's this way cause I'm the PS holder... if you don't like, tough luck."
Absolutely! One thing that I really dont understand about some LS' is that they require you to do your own research and help yourself to try nearly impossible tasks before they want to help you. I agree that some things are better to find out for yourself such as storylines but to require you to research something like, "Can I solo my magicite in Davoi?" That is a simple yes or no question right? My point is why must I go to Allakhazam.com to find out the exact same thing that someone in my LS could have told me and it take much much less time to do so. Besides, isnt that what a LS is for? To help each other out? I would have given anyone in that LS 8K if they asked me for it reguardless if I knew them or not only for the simple fact that they are in fact in the "family" and it is my job as a member to assist anyone who needs help. Secondly I think it would be a good chance to make a friend.
Jeryhn
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It's Fowler's LS. No one's gonna tell her what to do with it.
No one should ever have to walk on egg shells in fear of losing their pearl to a power tripped out leader. Fowler diddnt even give me a chance to set things right. She booted me because she claims that telling a lady to "chill out" is rude. Sorry but I am 22 years old living in the year 2005. We talk a little slangish and say "chill out" rather than calm down. This isnt a job interview. This is a "G A M E." Thank you...
Jeryhn
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You don't want to be in an LS with an abusive leader, she simply broke the pearl before the holder dropped it.
You are right. I dont want to be in a LS with an abusive leader. But that doesnt mean I would have dropped the pearl. My friendship with the other people in that LS out weighs Fowler's attitude problem by far. I would rather ignore her and continue to be with my friends. On the other hand after she denied my apology and offer of friendship I would rather not be seen in a LS belonging to her for I fear others who know her bad side may take me as a person similar to her. I can always just /tell a friend when I need them. Your Fantasy? {No thanks.}
GalkaAnimal
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8k isn't hard to make. As a rule, I would avoid asking people for gil under any circumstance.
I already explained myself about that. But you should realized something. A LS is there for your help and support. That is what I asked for and that is what started me on my journey to "Good luck finding a new LS." Like I said before. If I am good enough to be in the LS then I am good enough to ask for help. Some people are just really spaced out and feene on making arguments and enjoy being rude. All this was a misunderstanding and Fowler could not except the fact that what I said diddnt mean what she took it as. She insisted that it meant I was telling her and the rest of the LS members that they were "Sh*tty People." It is obvious that she would rather take it the wrong way than say, "Oh im sorry, I misunderstood what you said but please make sure to avoid that next time." Thats just the way she is.
Well I think I said enough now. I thank you all again for your support and your criticism. Thank you for listening.
P.S LeetFade
I am more than interested in Bladesingers. Send me a /tell anytime. Thanx! ^_^
Heh, I'm a YF member, Been one for over 6 months, back when it was quite young. I will just say that Fowler and Eponine are Great friends, in RL as well, so what you say to Eponine is like telling Fowler at the same time. Fowler is a very empowered Female. TRUST ME. I have been a bit of a rebel here and there over the last year, and from personal experience, you do not WIN with fowler. You either compromise or concede lol. She takes insults as personal as if you were saying them to her RL face, so your odds of getting back in could be quite slim. Fowler and I have been through alot in the last year, and though we have had our differences, she is a great person, alot of fun, and a good leader. Plus, i'm a RL female as well, so we get along extra well,(when i'm not pissing her off +heehee+). Basically, I dont have anything to add this situation that my man thrilla or Hito haven't already said. I just felt the need to explain Fowler from another point of view, show her in a different light. This thread kinda casts a shadow on her and YF, i'm just here to say, i was part of several LS's back in the day before getting a pearl to YF, and I'll never switch. This LS is a blast. In closing Fowler's a great girl, but shes no salvation army, get to know her before you call her dirty. 
{{Love ya Eliminater}}
{{Love ya Eliminater}} WOw... asking for 8K turns into a huge fight
But from what I seen, Fowlers outbreaks are not uncommon at all, I remember doing a Promy raid with her, first time I ever logged out of an alliance and was begged to get back in, sad when a LS member also has to apologize for their leaders actions
But for this whole thing, I can see where asking for 8K was stupid, that's not too hard to farm, but the way fowler went off on you was not called for in any way.
Edited, Tue Jan 18 22:15:05 2005 by Corrderio
But from what I seen, Fowlers outbreaks are not uncommon at all, I remember doing a Promy raid with her, first time I ever logged out of an alliance and was begged to get back in, sad when a LS member also has to apologize for their leaders actions
But for this whole thing, I can see where asking for 8K was stupid, that's not too hard to farm, but the way fowler went off on you was not called for in any way.
Edited, Tue Jan 18 22:15:05 2005 by Corrderio
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Hahaha sorry I had laugh at this whole thread. Man Splitcell you sure are a dramaqueen with a horrible memory. How about we start with a few facts.
1. You were already on thin ice for calling several long time members of YF "Fa* Noobs" among other things. Had we voted you in as we vote all new members in, you would have recieved a no.
I take the blame on that one. I didn't think Eponine would have any people like that in her LS, most of PB seem to be genuinly nice people.
2. I have never had a long period of absense from this game so I have no idea what made you decide to pull that one out of your rear.
3. You come on ls, and attack (yes it was attack, despite how you try to backpeddle and say you didn't mean it) my members for not wanting to lend you gil. As if you expect it.It was pushy and no one likes to be pushed. Dude when I am new in any situation I hang back and see the dynamics of the people before starting s***.
4. Now this "I dont farm" stuff is what really got me laughing! You would rather risk your reputation and beg for gil than break your record of only farming 1x? I really can't tell you much I got a great laugh there. XD But anyway back to the point. If I had known that I would have been even less likely to do you any favors. Why should I part with my hard earned money for someone who is rude and lazy? But ok enough about the gil, that wasn't why you were kicked.
5. If you're not naturally rude or an a** you dont have to "walk on eggshells" for anyone ^.~ Sorry but we take kindly to rude people in YF. Our main goal is for everyone to get along and have fun.
6. I would have gladly taken the time to talk to you about it after you were kicked. However, you kept calling me a "F***ing B****". You also told me you "know people" and would have me kicked out. Once again thank you for the laugh. And if you knew everyone in that LS, you would have known Eponine and I are RL friends. Everyone knows that I think.
7. Which brings me to my last point. I was told you harrassed PB members until they gave you a pearl. That they didn't want to bring you to the merger. So if you are pissing your own friends so much they didn't want you to come, that says a lot to me. =/
And awww cass... yes I can be set in my opinions, but it's not true you "can never win" with me. Thrilla and I have different opinions on a lot of stuff (LS related usually) and he sways me to see things his way quite often actually.
Anyway, have a nice night all and I'm back to my current passion Goldsmithing! Gosh it's addictive lol
1. You were already on thin ice for calling several long time members of YF "Fa* Noobs" among other things. Had we voted you in as we vote all new members in, you would have recieved a no.
I take the blame on that one. I didn't think Eponine would have any people like that in her LS, most of PB seem to be genuinly nice people.
2. I have never had a long period of absense from this game so I have no idea what made you decide to pull that one out of your rear.
3. You come on ls, and attack (yes it was attack, despite how you try to backpeddle and say you didn't mean it) my members for not wanting to lend you gil. As if you expect it.It was pushy and no one likes to be pushed. Dude when I am new in any situation I hang back and see the dynamics of the people before starting s***.
4. Now this "I dont farm" stuff is what really got me laughing! You would rather risk your reputation and beg for gil than break your record of only farming 1x? I really can't tell you much I got a great laugh there. XD But anyway back to the point. If I had known that I would have been even less likely to do you any favors. Why should I part with my hard earned money for someone who is rude and lazy? But ok enough about the gil, that wasn't why you were kicked.
5. If you're not naturally rude or an a** you dont have to "walk on eggshells" for anyone ^.~ Sorry but we take kindly to rude people in YF. Our main goal is for everyone to get along and have fun.
6. I would have gladly taken the time to talk to you about it after you were kicked. However, you kept calling me a "F***ing B****". You also told me you "know people" and would have me kicked out. Once again thank you for the laugh. And if you knew everyone in that LS, you would have known Eponine and I are RL friends. Everyone knows that I think.
7. Which brings me to my last point. I was told you harrassed PB members until they gave you a pearl. That they didn't want to bring you to the merger. So if you are pissing your own friends so much they didn't want you to come, that says a lot to me. =/
And awww cass... yes I can be set in my opinions, but it's not true you "can never win" with me. Thrilla and I have different opinions on a lot of stuff (LS related usually) and he sways me to see things his way quite often actually.
Anyway, have a nice night all and I'm back to my current passion Goldsmithing! Gosh it's addictive lol
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I was thinking whether or not to say anything about this thread or not, but Fowler has been nothing but kind to me in any of our previous collaborative efforts. So Fowler, did you get booted from YF yet? That almost made me fall out of my chair. This post did clear some things up though. I was wondering why YF would merge, but RL friend, awesome. I have RL friends who bought this game for the PS2 HDD to use on socom 2 (new maps just came out that use it btw) but they never gave in to even try the free month >< so awesome you have what I may never have =( that sounded kinda sad, oh well. I woulda bought the leaping lizzy boots for 8k, next time you offer such a deal /tell me please ^^ (I didnt really bother reading the poster's post very well)
Well honestly i wasnt going to say anything to this thread..but when someone is too proud to farm but not beg/ask for gil/loan..something doesn't sound right..and i'm quite too generous in my opinion..but i wouldnt even loan/give anyone money after a comment like that..even if they were a LS member.. And if you are too proud for that..then you should be too proud to seek sympathy in a post like this..
Scholar
33 posts
A foolish man is known by much speaking.
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Shortybus 36rdm/23blm/9bst
Schoolbus 23mnk/14war
edit: input shorty was a 36 mnk ;p
Edited, Wed Jan 19 02:56:50 2005 by instableoxymoron
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Shortybus 36rdm/23blm/9bst
Schoolbus 23mnk/14war
edit: input shorty was a 36 mnk ;p
Edited, Wed Jan 19 02:56:50 2005 by instableoxymoron
Scholar
40 posts
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As a LS member (at the time) she could have easily realized that since I had a pearl then obvioulsy someone trusted me enough to let me join.
From what I hear, it's either what you said, or they got tired of you asking for it and were too nice to tell you no, so they gave you one to shut you up.
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I feel that Fowler saw that my logic was undeniable so therefore she felt the need to end the conversation before she made herself out to be just your average mean person.
If you think Fowler is just an "average mean person" you truly have no idea what you are talking about.
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Me being the picky and professional FFXI player I have this rule that I made for myself about leveling my jobs.
If you're so damn professional you would have never asked for gil in the first place and never would have said what you did that sparked the whole argument. You would have taken the silence as your answer and professionally farmed up 8k to get what you needed done. Asking for gil is about as far from professional as it gets. Making the statement "man that's ******" also is quite a bit from from filling the shoes of the term "Professional"
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what is 8K to a level 75PLD named Fowler right?
Yeah, since all high lvls are absolutely LOADED with cash right?
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All this was a misunderstanding and Fowler could not except the fact that what I said diddnt mean what she took it as.
Either that, or you meant it how you said it and got called on it by someone who's not going to take any **** and then tried to twist it around. The fact is you spoke before thinking, no matter how you meant it, it was percieved as a verbal attack on those who were on at the time. Choose your words a bit more wise next time.
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Oh...my...goodness...
Hello I am Eponine former leader of PockyBrigade and proud member once again of YF. I am shocked and dismayed at what happened the other night! I wasn't logged on (needed sleep) but I heard from several different points of view what went on. Since I was brought into this, I feel I must give my point of view. First of all, I don't know you very well Splitcell. You were a friend of someone who was in my ls and asked to join. I however do know Fowler, quite well in fact seeing as we've been friends in real life for over two years. She's a darling, I love her, and she built YF from the ground up. She does not lie, she is not unreasonable, and all decisions in YF are made as a group. I am so insulted that you harassed my friend for no other reason than the fact that you are lazy! Getting mad because people you don't know won't give you a handout is both childish and... well childish. As you mentioned before, not many former PB members where on when this happened, so I don't know, maybe you could have exercised a little common sense and um, not begged for handouts from people you didn't know well. I take the blame for the situation, seeing as I had a bad feeling the night you were sending me tells practically demanding help for something (af, I think). I even went so far as to make sure you knew that we schedule things that take a group effort (like AF), and that you can't just come in expecting people to drop what they're doing just because you want something. You were unreasonable and rude, and if I would have been on, I would have been the one to break your pearl, not Fowler. Then this posting would probably be about me and how awful I am, which would be better than you insulting a very dear friend of mine. Honestly Splitcell, get off your butt, go farm, and grow up.
Hello I am Eponine former leader of PockyBrigade and proud member once again of YF. I am shocked and dismayed at what happened the other night! I wasn't logged on (needed sleep) but I heard from several different points of view what went on. Since I was brought into this, I feel I must give my point of view. First of all, I don't know you very well Splitcell. You were a friend of someone who was in my ls and asked to join. I however do know Fowler, quite well in fact seeing as we've been friends in real life for over two years. She's a darling, I love her, and she built YF from the ground up. She does not lie, she is not unreasonable, and all decisions in YF are made as a group. I am so insulted that you harassed my friend for no other reason than the fact that you are lazy! Getting mad because people you don't know won't give you a handout is both childish and... well childish. As you mentioned before, not many former PB members where on when this happened, so I don't know, maybe you could have exercised a little common sense and um, not begged for handouts from people you didn't know well. I take the blame for the situation, seeing as I had a bad feeling the night you were sending me tells practically demanding help for something (af, I think). I even went so far as to make sure you knew that we schedule things that take a group effort (like AF), and that you can't just come in expecting people to drop what they're doing just because you want something. You were unreasonable and rude, and if I would have been on, I would have been the one to break your pearl, not Fowler. Then this posting would probably be about me and how awful I am, which would be better than you insulting a very dear friend of mine. Honestly Splitcell, get off your butt, go farm, and grow up.
word up/down/all around.
/closes thread.
/closes thread.
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Wow! Now I am really being attacked. I really see the lack of respect here. Some more things said are wrong. But again, everyone has their own opinions and own PoVs. So thank you for posting. =)
Fowler
As I recall there was an issue I had with a long time ago with one of your LS members. But I am sorry to tell you that me and that LS member easily got over our differences and made it a thing of the past. Sorry we couldnt do the same through my numerous attempts to do so. And besides, this has nothing to do with the situation at hand. And if you were feeling friction from it then you should have talked to me in a private /tell and made sure that it wasnt going to be a problem. Well that is what I would have done as a leader. >_>
Fowler
Well generally I am a "nice" person and there was no problems what so ever until you jumped out at me saying, "I dont know you, why would I give you any gil?" You could have just said, "Sorry Split, but until I get to know you better I am not ready to take that step." See? Maybe we both need to work on how we say things. I am man enough to admit that.
Fowler
Well then I must have heard everyone wrong in the LS at the time you logged in or activated your pearl or whatever. My bad. But this is hardly relevant to the facts of the matter. So once again I apologize to you.
Fowler
Well I see now that you cannot respect the fact that I am trying to keep up my record by not farming. Spitting on my goals really shows me how much of a stand up person you can be. I diddnt "beg" for gil. I dont know why you insist that I was. I simply asked for a loan of 8K and I only asked 2 times. How DARE you call me lazy. You think camping a NM for 5 hours straight is easy? Sorry but I do things differently. Id rather camp a NM for 5 hours and make 500K than to farm for 5 hours and make 200K. Unbelievable you call me lazy for that! Take the time to see things from my PoV before you trash me like that.
Fowler
You know you are right about that. But unfortunately the first words you ever spoke to me show me that you are quite the rude person. So I guess I would have to tip toe around everything I may want to say in fear that you might just boot me from a PT or break my link pearl if I was in a LS with you. >_>
Fowler
That is a lie Fowler. You should remember how you dealt with the situation in the first place before you posted this message. You say you would have gladly taken the time to talk about it after you kicked me but... HELLO!? I was trying to talk to you and fix the problem while I was in the LS but you booted me for telling you to "chill out." Remember? So that tells me that it was never in your intentions to even resolve the problem in the first place. And it was only after all hope I had was lost that I lost my cool and blew up on you. And you couldnt even accept my apology I so humbly offered to you.
You never wanted to talk it over with me. You enjoyed believing that I called you a "S*itty Person" rather than realizing that I was saying that the whole situation was s*itty and not you. Why would you rather take something the wrong way than to just accept the way it was actually meant? What is wrong with you?!?
Fowler
See now this is where things are really just plain stupid. There were no problems before this incident. Eponine is going to tell you one thing and then tell me another. Here is what happened.
PB is down to nearly no one left for all the other members are in YF now. I ask Eponine for a pearl but she is always AFK. So I finally realized that she took her search message off which meant she was not AFK anymore. I ask her for a pearl. She says ok. I come to her zone and I begin to spam /target Eponine in order to find her without me having to invite her to join a PT with me in order to do so. During me spamming the targeting system I said something to her, something like "I am here and I am comming to get it now." So I went to spam the /target again and accidently spammed the message I just wrote to her a second ago. Boy was that a mistake.
She tells me something on the lines of, "Dude calm down! I am goig to give you a pearl!" And I explain to her that it was just a mistake. I diddnt mean to spam that message twice. Then she says ok no problem. So all this harassing you are talking about is just her telling you one thing and telling me another. If she felt that I was harassing her then she should have told me so. But no... None of this is what you thought it was. There are always 2 or more sides to a story but I have just told you exactly what happened. Let no one tell you different.
Beatnik
Lolz!
Domination
I never said that I was professional about how I deal with people. I am professional at how I go about leveling my character and keeping him geared up to his full potential. I easily admit that I need to work on my people skills. Sadly your leader Fowler cannot admit the same. We both went about what we said in the wrong way. I bet that erks you that I can admit when I am wrong because most people cannot. Fowler is a prime example of that. But sorry for your misunderstanding. Glad I could clear that up for you. =)
Domination
Still... What is 8K to anyone with some spare gil? Not like they were not gonna get it back. I think 500K would put me pretty well off for a while dont you think?
Sharis (Eponine)
1) You are only speaking of her positive side. In my case Fowler was very unreasonable and not such a "darling" at all.
2) She booted me with no one else's concent. Yes she had 1 or 2 other good friends of her own disucussing the issue and attacking me but at no point did she ask her friends or my friends if I should be kicked from the LS. Reguardless if everyone would have thought that it was right thing to do (kick me for telling her to "chill out") it would still only make your statement true if it were done in that manner. So no. It was not done as a group. It was a crack decision she made for telling her to "chill out."
Sharis (Eponine)
Again. Dont you even dare call me lazy. Camping NMs are very long and frustrating especially when there is no victory at the end. You are simply attacking me. But I would expect nothing less from you through all that I heard you say behind my back. You know I did not "harass" you. I accidently spammed a message to you twice. I even told you that it was an accident and yet you go behind my back telling members of the LS that I harassed you for a pearl. /sigh
Sharis (Eponine)
YOU ARE A LIAR!!! You know darn well what we talked about after you gave me the pearl. you /tell me, "Dont go on the LS demanding help. Get to know people first. " (Or something close to that). And then I told you, "Oh no no no. I already have a 75PLD taking me to do my AF. I plan to offer my services in the meantime." (Or something close to that as well). Then I logged onto the LS and asked everyone if they need to kill Dark Spark because I was willing to bring other people with me when I was ready to go do it. And then Eliminator (75RDM I think) offered to take me now rather than me wait for my friend later on that night. Other members needed to kill Dark Spark as well so he told me to come along. He chose to bring me. I did not ask for help from anyone. Get your story straight. I ask for people's opinions to be posted here. Not your lies. Stop attacking me.
Sharis (Eponine)
[quote]Honestly Splitcell, get off your butt, go farm, and grow up.[/quote]
Honestly Eponine, respect my goals and practice what you preach. If you cannot do that then maybe you should consider a little "growing up" on your own behalf. Thanks for the insight.
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Thank you all for your posts. I have learned a little about how to deal with situations like this from all your opinions. I am sure Fowler can be a great person when she wants to be. I feel bad that she couldnt accept my friendship but hey, this world is not perfect nor do I expect it to be. I am happy where I am at now and I do not care what they say to me from now on for we all know just how crazy some people can be when it comes to playing a game that involves interactions with others. Take care everyone!
-ODiE
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:03:10 2005 by Splitcell
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:04:36 2005 by Splitcell
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:06:11 2005 by Splitcell
Fowler
Quote:
You were already on thin ice for calling several long time members of YF "Fa* Noobs" among other things.
As I recall there was an issue I had with a long time ago with one of your LS members. But I am sorry to tell you that me and that LS member easily got over our differences and made it a thing of the past. Sorry we couldnt do the same through my numerous attempts to do so. And besides, this has nothing to do with the situation at hand. And if you were feeling friction from it then you should have talked to me in a private /tell and made sure that it wasnt going to be a problem. Well that is what I would have done as a leader. >_>
Fowler
Quote:
I didn't think Eponine would have any people like that in her LS, most of PB seem to be genuinly nice people.
Well generally I am a "nice" person and there was no problems what so ever until you jumped out at me saying, "I dont know you, why would I give you any gil?" You could have just said, "Sorry Split, but until I get to know you better I am not ready to take that step." See? Maybe we both need to work on how we say things. I am man enough to admit that.
Fowler
Quote:
I have never had a long period of absense from this game
Well then I must have heard everyone wrong in the LS at the time you logged in or activated your pearl or whatever. My bad. But this is hardly relevant to the facts of the matter. So once again I apologize to you.
Fowler
Quote:
Now this "I dont farm" stuff is what really got me laughing! You would rather risk your reputation and beg for gil than break your record of only farming 1x? I really can't tell you much I got a great laugh there. XD But anyway back to the point. If I had known that I would have been even less likely to do you any favors. Why should I part with my hard earned money for someone who is rude and lazy?
Well I see now that you cannot respect the fact that I am trying to keep up my record by not farming. Spitting on my goals really shows me how much of a stand up person you can be. I diddnt "beg" for gil. I dont know why you insist that I was. I simply asked for a loan of 8K and I only asked 2 times. How DARE you call me lazy. You think camping a NM for 5 hours straight is easy? Sorry but I do things differently. Id rather camp a NM for 5 hours and make 500K than to farm for 5 hours and make 200K. Unbelievable you call me lazy for that! Take the time to see things from my PoV before you trash me like that.
Fowler
Quote:
If you're not naturally rude or an a** you dont have to "walk on eggshells" for anyone
You know you are right about that. But unfortunately the first words you ever spoke to me show me that you are quite the rude person. So I guess I would have to tip toe around everything I may want to say in fear that you might just boot me from a PT or break my link pearl if I was in a LS with you. >_>
Fowler
Quote:
I would have gladly taken the time to talk to you about it after you were kicked. However, you kept calling me a "F***ing B****".
That is a lie Fowler. You should remember how you dealt with the situation in the first place before you posted this message. You say you would have gladly taken the time to talk about it after you kicked me but... HELLO!? I was trying to talk to you and fix the problem while I was in the LS but you booted me for telling you to "chill out." Remember? So that tells me that it was never in your intentions to even resolve the problem in the first place. And it was only after all hope I had was lost that I lost my cool and blew up on you. And you couldnt even accept my apology I so humbly offered to you.
You never wanted to talk it over with me. You enjoyed believing that I called you a "S*itty Person" rather than realizing that I was saying that the whole situation was s*itty and not you. Why would you rather take something the wrong way than to just accept the way it was actually meant? What is wrong with you?!?
Fowler
Quote:
Which brings me to my last point. I was told you harrassed PB members until they gave you a pearl. That they didn't want to bring you to the merger.
See now this is where things are really just plain stupid. There were no problems before this incident. Eponine is going to tell you one thing and then tell me another. Here is what happened.
PB is down to nearly no one left for all the other members are in YF now. I ask Eponine for a pearl but she is always AFK. So I finally realized that she took her search message off which meant she was not AFK anymore. I ask her for a pearl. She says ok. I come to her zone and I begin to spam /target Eponine in order to find her without me having to invite her to join a PT with me in order to do so. During me spamming the targeting system I said something to her, something like "I am here and I am comming to get it now." So I went to spam the /target again and accidently spammed the message I just wrote to her a second ago. Boy was that a mistake.
She tells me something on the lines of, "Dude calm down! I am goig to give you a pearl!" And I explain to her that it was just a mistake. I diddnt mean to spam that message twice. Then she says ok no problem. So all this harassing you are talking about is just her telling you one thing and telling me another. If she felt that I was harassing her then she should have told me so. But no... None of this is what you thought it was. There are always 2 or more sides to a story but I have just told you exactly what happened. Let no one tell you different.
Beatnik
Quote:
I woulda bought the leaping lizzy boots for 8k
Lolz!
Domination
Quote:
If you're so damn professional you would have never asked for gil in the first place and never would have said what you did that sparked the whole argument.
I never said that I was professional about how I deal with people. I am professional at how I go about leveling my character and keeping him geared up to his full potential. I easily admit that I need to work on my people skills. Sadly your leader Fowler cannot admit the same. We both went about what we said in the wrong way. I bet that erks you that I can admit when I am wrong because most people cannot. Fowler is a prime example of that. But sorry for your misunderstanding. Glad I could clear that up for you. =)
Domination
Quote:
Yeah, since all high lvls are absolutely LOADED with cash right?
Still... What is 8K to anyone with some spare gil? Not like they were not gonna get it back. I think 500K would put me pretty well off for a while dont you think?
Sharis (Eponine)
Quote:
I however do know Fowler, quite well in fact seeing as we've been friends in real life for over two years. She's a darling, I love her, and she built YF from the ground up. She does not lie, she is not unreasonable, and all decisions in YF are made as a group.
1) You are only speaking of her positive side. In my case Fowler was very unreasonable and not such a "darling" at all.
2) She booted me with no one else's concent. Yes she had 1 or 2 other good friends of her own disucussing the issue and attacking me but at no point did she ask her friends or my friends if I should be kicked from the LS. Reguardless if everyone would have thought that it was right thing to do (kick me for telling her to "chill out") it would still only make your statement true if it were done in that manner. So no. It was not done as a group. It was a crack decision she made for telling her to "chill out."
Sharis (Eponine)
Quote:
I am so insulted that you harassed my friend for no other reason than the fact that you are lazy!
Again. Dont you even dare call me lazy. Camping NMs are very long and frustrating especially when there is no victory at the end. You are simply attacking me. But I would expect nothing less from you through all that I heard you say behind my back. You know I did not "harass" you. I accidently spammed a message to you twice. I even told you that it was an accident and yet you go behind my back telling members of the LS that I harassed you for a pearl. /sigh
Sharis (Eponine)
Quote:
I take the blame for the situation, seeing as I had a bad feeling the night you were sending me tells practically demanding help for something (af, I think).
YOU ARE A LIAR!!! You know darn well what we talked about after you gave me the pearl. you /tell me, "Dont go on the LS demanding help. Get to know people first. " (Or something close to that). And then I told you, "Oh no no no. I already have a 75PLD taking me to do my AF. I plan to offer my services in the meantime." (Or something close to that as well). Then I logged onto the LS and asked everyone if they need to kill Dark Spark because I was willing to bring other people with me when I was ready to go do it. And then Eliminator (75RDM I think) offered to take me now rather than me wait for my friend later on that night. Other members needed to kill Dark Spark as well so he told me to come along. He chose to bring me. I did not ask for help from anyone. Get your story straight. I ask for people's opinions to be posted here. Not your lies. Stop attacking me.
Sharis (Eponine)
[quote]Honestly Splitcell, get off your butt, go farm, and grow up.[/quote]
Honestly Eponine, respect my goals and practice what you preach. If you cannot do that then maybe you should consider a little "growing up" on your own behalf. Thanks for the insight.
---
Thank you all for your posts. I have learned a little about how to deal with situations like this from all your opinions. I am sure Fowler can be a great person when she wants to be. I feel bad that she couldnt accept my friendship but hey, this world is not perfect nor do I expect it to be. I am happy where I am at now and I do not care what they say to me from now on for we all know just how crazy some people can be when it comes to playing a game that involves interactions with others. Take care everyone!
-ODiE
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:03:10 2005 by Splitcell
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:04:36 2005 by Splitcell
Edited, Wed Jan 19 07:06:11 2005 by Splitcell
*reads all posts and then counts to 15 for good measure*
Good lord...
*counts to 30*
I have read the posts and have my opinions and in this case
I must side with Fowler and the others of YF.
If you pulled half of what you pulled with YF on my shell
and especialy taking it in here ... I lack to words
to describe my disapointment.
My linkshell like YF is one big family new people come in
are explained the rules and put on a probationary
linkpearl. If someone doesnt work out at first we work
with and try to for lack of a better word 'train'
them on how to be in a family style linkshell.
If all training fails and I do mean all of it,
the person is asked to leave.
Good lord man asking for Gil on your first day in
and from what I can see insulting the founding member!
what were you thinking?
I chose to stop here before I start ripping into you,
already I have deleted things I wanted to say but have not.
In closing I shall address your request for a new linkshell.
After reading the posts and knowing in some cases very well
the people who are on YF and trusting in thier wisdom.
I must assure you the doors of the Draconis linkshell
will forever be closed to you.
I wish you all the luck in finding a new linkshell
perhaps one that is more suited to your attitude.
Good lord...
*counts to 30*
I have read the posts and have my opinions and in this case
I must side with Fowler and the others of YF.
If you pulled half of what you pulled with YF on my shell
and especialy taking it in here ... I lack to words
to describe my disapointment.
My linkshell like YF is one big family new people come in
are explained the rules and put on a probationary
linkpearl. If someone doesnt work out at first we work
with and try to for lack of a better word 'train'
them on how to be in a family style linkshell.
If all training fails and I do mean all of it,
the person is asked to leave.
Good lord man asking for Gil on your first day in
and from what I can see insulting the founding member!
what were you thinking?
I chose to stop here before I start ripping into you,
already I have deleted things I wanted to say but have not.
In closing I shall address your request for a new linkshell.
After reading the posts and knowing in some cases very well
the people who are on YF and trusting in thier wisdom.
I must assure you the doors of the Draconis linkshell
will forever be closed to you.
I wish you all the luck in finding a new linkshell
perhaps one that is more suited to your attitude.
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