I start off saying this,
"This game was designed for people of many cultures to interact with one another, build a friendship and share an excitement for the world of Vana'diel. Throughout this game experience we have many emotions and sometimes plain out adrenaline running through us. This game, for me, is a stress reliever. I look forward to being online and for a brief time just really relax & indulge my senses." (As we all know, it is a very powerful place!)
Now, the "Not really a rant" rant-less questions.
I have been in this one LS for quite awhile. Last night was the breaking point. I left the LS. We did a garrison and well, we didn't get along. It's bad enough when the people start calling each other the "F"'er word and gripe about not getting anything.
So, I sit here and ponder. I enjoy the world of Vana'diel throughly yet I cannot seem to find LS that really suits me. I absolutely adored my LS before but really the leveling grind is killing my gameplay. Is it so much to ask to do stuff with your LS? After all, what do you have, if you have no friends to share your gaming experience with?
I tried to convey my opinions in a proper way and hoped it wouldn't be taken lightly. The response back was basically, get your level up high enough then the real fun begins. We can do stuff then as a LS to make gil.
It started a huge fight in the LS. Some of the higher level players said they are tired of being asked to help do stuff. (AF, genkai, etc.)
I say this, how can I possibly get my level high when I cannot find people to help me? I am not going to level without proper gear. (AF to be exact). I know it can be frustrating, being asked to do things, I want not to take from others gaming time, yet I do feel that as a LS member, no- scratch that, A GOOD, HONEST, LOYAL LS MEMBER, that help should not be so hard to come by.
I am not asking anyone to hold my hand. I don't expect that. I have dropped stuff I was going to do to help with genkai, etc. Yet at my level (53 bard) there is only so much I can do. Plus, my job, let's face it, I'm not the strongest.
I have never been a "LS hopper" and I am very disheartened by the way some of my former LS members have percieved my asking for help with my AF gear. Not only mine, but others as well. We have lost good people due to the arrogance and mannerisms of some of the higher level players.
Is it selfsish to ask for help? I state, "I do not need it right away, but can I get help with it sometime this week or maybe next?" Should I sit around Jueno and wait? How have the ones who started out done this. A former LS member stated, "I never got help, so don't complain."
Is it complaining? To me, no it isn't. Should I just continue to level without my AF? I feel I shouldn't but really, I need help. Believe me, if I could do it alone, I would.
Surly, with all the people on the Cerebus server there has to be a LS with fun, honest, willing to help (Within reason).
"You scratch my back, I scratch yours." I would definitely help others as much as they help me. Thanks for reading, have a great day.
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how can I possibly get my level high when I cannot find people to help me? I am not going to level without proper gear. (AF to be exact).
Being a form LS leader, pearl sack holder and one who tries to see things from both POV's... think of it like a whm giving teleports. To the person being teleported, it's no BFD... 500 gil. However, after 20 people/teleports, the whm has gathered quite a bit of gil.
What's my relevance... just that things seem small on an atm basis. However, if you broaden the picture a little bit, you'll see that you're just a small slice of the big pie. It's hard for anyone to drop what they're doing to do something else, for someone else, at the drop of a dime. It can also be very frustrating when they do help others only to be asked 2 days later to do it again. If they'd really do it once a week, they could bring 3 or 4 people along and get it done with at once. Unfortunately, they don't want to disappoint their fellow player and/or get chewed out... so they help the INDIVIDUAL.
My point, this game requires lots of patience... with farming, gardening, fishing, mining, crafting, leveling, nm camping, questing... ANYTHING. If you absolutely can't wait (don't want to wait), your best bet is to ask if someone could schedule a time to help. I find more people are apt to jump in and say: "I can help you (whenever they're free) if you can wait.". However, if you just ask: "So anyone wanna help me find my pappy?", most will just stay silent rather than replying negatively. Reason being is one suggests now, or asap, and that can sit uncomfortably with some. However, the other suggests you're willing to wait till the other player's convenience. Afterall, they are helping you... the least you can do is show the courtesy of patiently waiting... the trick is expressing you're willingness to wait.
Well, I'm in an LS that helps people all the time. I've been a member of Bladesingers for a few weeks now, and I have to say it kicks ***. On a nightly basis, the LS goes out of it's way to help members fight NM's, get AF's, or even get genkai items. The great thing is it's never a chore. Every time I've gone out on a quest with the Bladesingers, its been a riot. FFXI has been more fun for me over the last few weeks than it ever was before. I know what its like to be in an LS that doesn't really go the extra mile for it's members. It's no way to play.
If you really need help with something you should plan it out. Ask those a week in advance to see if they'll be free on ____ day at ____ time to help you out with ______
That way it's all set and you don't have to worry about always asking the LS for help every day you're on, you won't have to worry about interrupting other ls members to help you, you can go do other stuff instead of always remaining free so that when/if an ls member is free you can do it. Your ls members can do what ever else just like normal and just be ready to help you when you set it. ^^
That way it's all set and you don't have to worry about always asking the LS for help every day you're on, you won't have to worry about interrupting other ls members to help you, you can go do other stuff instead of always remaining free so that when/if an ls member is free you can do it. Your ls members can do what ever else just like normal and just be ready to help you when you set it. ^^
FFXI is like RL there is drama every where you go. But I would say if you want a good LS you just got to find one that you have fun in. Its that simple they dont have to be a kon nothx PM sakura and i relized that when i joined a LS called TheLionWar a bunch of good people in there that like to have fun ^^. Bottom line good people over **** suckers that think they have to have the best **** in the game to have fun.
we're small. but we get our **** done...
everyone is mature, except for the occasional late night... delirious goof offs by me.. but all in all..
good LS
i've been inspired by what ease i had in this game getting help with my low level **** from the JP... and so i help out people whenever i can... no questions asked... of cousre some people do annoy me when i help them. but. i still do it anyway..
i'd give you a pearl if you'd be intersted.
everyone is mature, except for the occasional late night... delirious goof offs by me.. but all in all..
good LS
i've been inspired by what ease i had in this game getting help with my low level **** from the JP... and so i help out people whenever i can... no questions asked... of cousre some people do annoy me when i help them. but. i still do it anyway..
i'd give you a pearl if you'd be intersted.
Yea come on over to the Untouchables (LS tartaros is talking about) - we're always looking for a few good men.. women too :)
we help eachother a lot, and have a lot of fun at the same time.
we help eachother a lot, and have a lot of fun at the same time.
I too am lucky enough to hold a pearl to the untouchables. They were nice enough to help me try and get a coffer key in eld. nec. when i first joined. though the i didnt get it, the point is they all spent a couple hours trying for someone they barely knew. Everyone in there is good people and very helpfull. I am also in a very small linkshell called zodiacknights. it is made up of people who are all about team work. farming together, questing together overall working together. Not everyone is high lvl, but everyone is very good people.
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Hey Mlynn!
It seems like almost all of our new recruits to BladeSingers have had the same problem. Bad/Unhelpful LS's. That's no way to spend your time in Vana. You are welcome to try out BladeSingers if you like.
We are currently getting everyone that has CoP through Promyvion missions and will be doing our first Neked Scavenger Hunt soon. :-b. I personally try to make sure everyone gets help with what they need. We do try to plan things out to assure adequate help is available but it's generally less than a week to get something organized.
My suggestion to you, try out both Untouchables and BladeSingers. It sounds like they have a good shell too and I would definitely say they have higher levels (he's rank 10 in 2/3 nations o.O) but we do manage to get the harder stuff done. I would say about 50% of our shell has a 50+ job and quite a few are close.
Basically it will come down to where you feel more at "home". If you want to check the LS out, just send me a /tell.
It seems like almost all of our new recruits to BladeSingers have had the same problem. Bad/Unhelpful LS's. That's no way to spend your time in Vana. You are welcome to try out BladeSingers if you like.
We are currently getting everyone that has CoP through Promyvion missions and will be doing our first Neked Scavenger Hunt soon. :-b. I personally try to make sure everyone gets help with what they need. We do try to plan things out to assure adequate help is available but it's generally less than a week to get something organized.
My suggestion to you, try out both Untouchables and BladeSingers. It sounds like they have a good shell too and I would definitely say they have higher levels (he's rank 10 in 2/3 nations o.O) but we do manage to get the harder stuff done. I would say about 50% of our shell has a 50+ job and quite a few are close.
Basically it will come down to where you feel more at "home". If you want to check the LS out, just send me a /tell.
I made an LS recently for this exact same reason, i was fed up of begging for help all the time and trying to arrange help, and trust me I got alot of begging to do at this stage of the game.
SMN AF, RNG AF, Genkai I would love a Shikaree aketon and my chiroptera knife, CoP missions u name it I need help with it.
Thats what makes it so fustrating, in this game you cant do anything on your own.
The LS was designed to be a place where lower to high level players can all receive the help they need, but after a week or two i realised this aint gonna work.
No one wants to join an LS with maybe 1 or 2 players on at any time and most people already have loyalties elsewere
SMN AF, RNG AF, Genkai I would love a Shikaree aketon and my chiroptera knife, CoP missions u name it I need help with it.
Thats what makes it so fustrating, in this game you cant do anything on your own.
The LS was designed to be a place where lower to high level players can all receive the help they need, but after a week or two i realised this aint gonna work.
No one wants to join an LS with maybe 1 or 2 players on at any time and most people already have loyalties elsewere
As far as helping, Sakura (the LS I'm in) has helped me get everything I really neeeded in the game. However, our LS leader (Triumph) spent months at 66 because of helping people out. He got seriously burnt out doing them, and so do a lot of higher level people. Theres really not that much benefit, unless you're skilling up. I'll help people when I have time to, but I have my own goals (personally, I'm sick of being lvl 72 and hearing that I'm too low for stuff. @5900 to 73, and I'm still being told I'm too low... ) So understand that even though AF is a huge deal to you (and rightly so), that high lvls have lots of other stuff to do, and to help out with.
On a side note: the most annoying thing with helping is when you get to an area that the person you're helping needs sneak or invis, I can't cast it, and they don't have oils or powders. Please do your research, and prepare accordingly.
On a side note: the most annoying thing with helping is when you get to an area that the person you're helping needs sneak or invis, I can't cast it, and they don't have oils or powders. Please do your research, and prepare accordingly.
My LS -- KosenTekiOrder -- is very helpful too. We tend to organize things ahead, but sometimes people will help if they are free right at the moment.
They are also some good LS I have heard of out there. IMO it is usually the mid-size mid-high level LS that are easiest to seek help. LS that are too large, it is easier forgotten and a little more harder to organize. You will have to talk to individuals directly rather doing /l Can you help me with this). Small LS, you will have problem finding enough people.
Step back a little bit. The people that helps themselves and not asking to hold their hands are easier to find to help. Refusal to bring potions or do research ahead really annoys helpers. And people will not want to help you in the future.
Sometime it is easier to forget who have helped you, and easier to remember when people are not helping you. To get level 53, you probably have been helped for a few times. Bard AF is not the easiest. (Not as bad as RDM, SMN, or SAM, those are notorious -- yay to Temple, Castle Oz, Miser Murphy fun). It takes patientce and organization to get help.
I was stuck at level 30 for over a month, before I take off with my former SP. You can always ask me for help if you can catch me (I am trying to be on vacation, but you can catch me in the weekend likely ;))
They are also some good LS I have heard of out there. IMO it is usually the mid-size mid-high level LS that are easiest to seek help. LS that are too large, it is easier forgotten and a little more harder to organize. You will have to talk to individuals directly rather doing /l Can you help me with this). Small LS, you will have problem finding enough people.
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On a side note: the most annoying thing with helping is when you get to an area that the person you're helping needs sneak or invis, I can't cast it, and they don't have oils or powders. Please do your research, and prepare accordingly.
Step back a little bit. The people that helps themselves and not asking to hold their hands are easier to find to help. Refusal to bring potions or do research ahead really annoys helpers. And people will not want to help you in the future.
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A former LS member stated, "I never got help, so don't complain."
Sometime it is easier to forget who have helped you, and easier to remember when people are not helping you. To get level 53, you probably have been helped for a few times. Bard AF is not the easiest. (Not as bad as RDM, SMN, or SAM, those are notorious -- yay to Temple, Castle Oz, Miser Murphy fun). It takes patientce and organization to get help.
I was stuck at level 30 for over a month, before I take off with my former SP. You can always ask me for help if you can catch me (I am trying to be on vacation, but you can catch me in the weekend likely ;))
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
My LS -- KosenTekiOrder -- is very helpful too. We tend to organize things ahead, but sometimes people will help if they are free right at the moment.
They are also some good LS I have heard of out there. IMO it is usually the mid-size mid-high level LS that are easiest to seek help. LS that are too large, it is easier forgotten and a little more harder to organize. You will have to talk to individuals directly rather doing /l Can you help me with this). Small LS, you will have problem finding enough people.
Step back a little bit. The people that helps themselves and not asking to hold their hands are easier to find to help. Refusal to bring potions or do research ahead really annoys helpers. And people will not want to help you in the future.
Sometime it is easier to forget who have helped you, and easier to remember when people are not helping you. To get level 53, you probably have been helped for a few times. Bard AF is not the easiest. (Not as bad as RDM, SMN, or SAM, those are notorious -- yay to Temple, Castle Oz, Miser Murphy fun). It takes patientce and organization to get help.
I was stuck at level 30 for over a month, before I take off with my former SP. You can always ask me for help if you can catch me (I am trying to be on vacation, but you can catch me in the weekend likely ;))
They are also some good LS I have heard of out there. IMO it is usually the mid-size mid-high level LS that are easiest to seek help. LS that are too large, it is easier forgotten and a little more harder to organize. You will have to talk to individuals directly rather doing /l Can you help me with this). Small LS, you will have problem finding enough people.
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On a side note: the most annoying thing with helping is when you get to an area that the person you're helping needs sneak or invis, I can't cast it, and they don't have oils or powders. Please do your research, and prepare accordingly.
Step back a little bit. The people that helps themselves and not asking to hold their hands are easier to find to help. Refusal to bring potions or do research ahead really annoys helpers. And people will not want to help you in the future.
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A former LS member stated, "I never got help, so don't complain."
Sometime it is easier to forget who have helped you, and easier to remember when people are not helping you. To get level 53, you probably have been helped for a few times. Bard AF is not the easiest. (Not as bad as RDM, SMN, or SAM, those are notorious -- yay to Temple, Castle Oz, Miser Murphy fun). It takes patientce and organization to get help.
I was stuck at level 30 for over a month, before I take off with my former SP. You can always ask me for help if you can catch me (I am trying to be on vacation, but you can catch me in the weekend likely ;))
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Sorry Triple Post ><
Edited, Wed Jan 26 10:19:03 2005 by scchan
Edited, Wed Jan 26 10:19:03 2005 by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>< Triple post
Edited, Wed Jan 26 10:17:56 2005 by scchan
Edited, Wed Jan 26 10:17:56 2005 by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
10 posts
Yes, this game resorts to needing help from other players so it requires you to learn how to socialize. Saying that you cannot find any help is really a weak excuse since there are so many people on this game. I think the real problem is that people tend to get frustrated quickly. When this happens it sounds like ******** and moaning. I once heard from someone I was in an LS with that "If I complain enough, people will get sick of hearing me talk about it and will help me." Anything in this game takes time, if you got everything you wanted the second you did, would it be any fun?
I'm addressing this point only because this post is made 12348792349263412 times a week it seems. I think the thing people do not realize is that this game teaches you more than just social skills, it also forces you to develop leadership qualities. If you need something and you cannot lead the group you have to help you, it doesnt matter how many lvl 75's you have, if it gets done, it will have been a pain to do in the process. If it was a pain, who would want to follow you're lead again? Now if you lead your group well, got people excited, made it fun, I bet you'll get all the help you'll ever need. If you really can't lead well, the help you need is to find a leader to lead the group for you, but leadershp is the key to getting the help you need.
It is no fun for anyone when if you take the fun away from the game by talking about how YOU never get help. It sounds pretty selfish as well. Now the original poster was talking from the perspective of his LS. Is this LS actually fun then? and how is the leadership? The two questions to ask of any LS.
I'm addressing this point only because this post is made 12348792349263412 times a week it seems. I think the thing people do not realize is that this game teaches you more than just social skills, it also forces you to develop leadership qualities. If you need something and you cannot lead the group you have to help you, it doesnt matter how many lvl 75's you have, if it gets done, it will have been a pain to do in the process. If it was a pain, who would want to follow you're lead again? Now if you lead your group well, got people excited, made it fun, I bet you'll get all the help you'll ever need. If you really can't lead well, the help you need is to find a leader to lead the group for you, but leadershp is the key to getting the help you need.
It is no fun for anyone when if you take the fun away from the game by talking about how YOU never get help. It sounds pretty selfish as well. Now the original poster was talking from the perspective of his LS. Is this LS actually fun then? and how is the leadership? The two questions to ask of any LS.
what beatnik and dammer mean is if u need any help spam them in the game and they will help probally will give out gil also
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Obviousaly, I am getting misunderstood by some people. I know full and well how to socialize
The bottom line is, I have yet to find a LS that I really feel apart of. I am not going to ask anymore for help from people I have already asked, offered to set a time @ least 2 weeks in advance and when that day comes, they forget they had stuff to do.
That is the only line of frustration I have gotten. Why say you will help and then not?
On this point in case that you have observed, I would say you are 30/70 on this one. Most people whine and complain in threads like this, yes.
But I am not everyone. I simply had a issue, I am gonna post it on my server forums. I am not going to stand in Jueno shouting for a LS. I will come to a forum and see if anyone is recruiting.
I am serious about this "game". I don't mess around. I fully expect someone to help me just as much as I help them. AND yes, patience is a must. AM I saying NOW? No, I am not.
I do have friends in the game and they have been gracious enough to let me have a "trial" period in thier own LS's but as I said before, I really didn't fit in.
/sigh
I know I will find a LS that is right for me, I just gotta be patient. After all, there is always fishing ^^
The bottom line is, I have yet to find a LS that I really feel apart of. I am not going to ask anymore for help from people I have already asked, offered to set a time @ least 2 weeks in advance and when that day comes, they forget they had stuff to do.
That is the only line of frustration I have gotten. Why say you will help and then not?
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I'm addressing this point only because this post is made 12348792349263412 times a week it seems. I think the thing people do not realize is that this game teaches you more than just social skills, it also forces you to develop leadership qualities.
On this point in case that you have observed, I would say you are 30/70 on this one. Most people whine and complain in threads like this, yes.
But I am not everyone. I simply had a issue, I am gonna post it on my server forums. I am not going to stand in Jueno shouting for a LS. I will come to a forum and see if anyone is recruiting.
I am serious about this "game". I don't mess around. I fully expect someone to help me just as much as I help them. AND yes, patience is a must. AM I saying NOW? No, I am not.
I do have friends in the game and they have been gracious enough to let me have a "trial" period in thier own LS's but as I said before, I really didn't fit in.
/sigh
I know I will find a LS that is right for me, I just gotta be patient. After all, there is always fishing ^^
49 posts
Actually I think this game was designed so SE could make money (but that's just me).
Ok but seriously, if you do for yourself, it's far easier to get the help when you really need it. I mean, do you REALLY need high lvl help for coffer keys? No. My AF I just others my level who also needed help together and made alliances to go get our keys. I'm not saying I never had help. I abosultely did. But I didn't ask for help every single time. I tried to do as much on my own as possible so that when I really needed favors for things like AF3 NM or whatever it woudln't be like pulling teeth to get the help. On that note Castle Zavahl Bailies was STILL a b**** and took me 2 days begging everyone I knew ; ; so i feel your pain. But as an LS leader I also know when you have 43986456982435 wanting/needing your help it does burn you out. When I see people not organizing thier own stuff and just whining I tend to start ignoring them (not the best approach but just being honest lol). When I see people putting the effort into getting thier own stuff and not expecting the lvl 75's to babysit, man that makes me want to help! So anyway, do your research, try not to ask for help with everything and I'll bet you get the help when you really need it ^.~
Ok but seriously, if you do for yourself, it's far easier to get the help when you really need it. I mean, do you REALLY need high lvl help for coffer keys? No. My AF I just others my level who also needed help together and made alliances to go get our keys. I'm not saying I never had help. I abosultely did. But I didn't ask for help every single time. I tried to do as much on my own as possible so that when I really needed favors for things like AF3 NM or whatever it woudln't be like pulling teeth to get the help. On that note Castle Zavahl Bailies was STILL a b**** and took me 2 days begging everyone I knew ; ; so i feel your pain. But as an LS leader I also know when you have 43986456982435 wanting/needing your help it does burn you out. When I see people not organizing thier own stuff and just whining I tend to start ignoring them (not the best approach but just being honest lol). When I see people putting the effort into getting thier own stuff and not expecting the lvl 75's to babysit, man that makes me want to help! So anyway, do your research, try not to ask for help with everything and I'll bet you get the help when you really need it ^.~
You know, I am not disagreeing. And I will continue to do my research. ~.^
fowler i remember getting urs and okuhs AF and genkie haha
24 posts
I am lucky enough to be in a real great helpful linkshell.
RESOVIORDOGS. members are very helpful. we have a thing called mission sunday where we get together and do missions and other things.. a few weeks ago we even got together and had a firework show in sandy. i have been in some real bad linkshells before and it is truly an honer to be able to be part of the DOGS^^
RESOVIORDOGS. members are very helpful. we have a thing called mission sunday where we get together and do missions and other things.. a few weeks ago we even got together and had a firework show in sandy. i have been in some real bad linkshells before and it is truly an honer to be able to be part of the DOGS^^
13 posts
Dude... You are a 53 bard and leveling is a grind?
You could probably level in a bronze subligar and an onion knife and still get invites faster than most people dream of gettin invites. As far as help , it is the wrong reason to join a linkshell. I consider AF a kind of journey for each player, it is not designed to be easy.
My LS is YourFantasy and i LOVE it.
RDM > brd
You could probably level in a bronze subligar and an onion knife and still get invites faster than most people dream of gettin invites. As far as help , it is the wrong reason to join a linkshell. I consider AF a kind of journey for each player, it is not designed to be easy.
My LS is YourFantasy and i LOVE it.
RDM > brd
10 posts
Ask not what your linkshell can do for you, but what you can do for your linkshell!
just wanted to clarify that my post wasnt so much for the author of this thread than just a general observation. Altough the last lines were as far as the questions to ask yourself about a linkshell when you are deciding to join it. I am considered a leader of PaiMei, but it was the leadership of Confucion that convinced me to join it when it first started. Dude is never afraid to die for any cause regardless if we have a Raise 3 or not. When your LS leader is willing to die just for the adventure of it, it makes it a lot more fun. Maybe level 75's shouldnt die as much as we do, but not caring about losing xp takes away a lot of stress from the game. In fact he had to HP the other day from a rushed attempt at charybis and didnt complain once, just HP'd. Off topic kinda, just stating what I like about a linkshell.
On a side note, for AF I have to thank Shane and Deklyn, both my level at the time of AF missions, we just picked up a couple others that may have needed a key and went and did it without high level help. I'm sure Eleyne will never forget castle zvahl for that coffer key for cup and I. But it was so fun without high level help. We were wiped out a few times, had to have someone search area for potential raisers and translate our location, but it was fun as hell. I wouldnt have had those memories if I had high level help for keys, though I wouldnt mind helping with more keys now, I need skill up ;p
just wanted to clarify that my post wasnt so much for the author of this thread than just a general observation. Altough the last lines were as far as the questions to ask yourself about a linkshell when you are deciding to join it. I am considered a leader of PaiMei, but it was the leadership of Confucion that convinced me to join it when it first started. Dude is never afraid to die for any cause regardless if we have a Raise 3 or not. When your LS leader is willing to die just for the adventure of it, it makes it a lot more fun. Maybe level 75's shouldnt die as much as we do, but not caring about losing xp takes away a lot of stress from the game. In fact he had to HP the other day from a rushed attempt at charybis and didnt complain once, just HP'd. Off topic kinda, just stating what I like about a linkshell.
On a side note, for AF I have to thank Shane and Deklyn, both my level at the time of AF missions, we just picked up a couple others that may have needed a key and went and did it without high level help. I'm sure Eleyne will never forget castle zvahl for that coffer key for cup and I. But it was so fun without high level help. We were wiped out a few times, had to have someone search area for potential raisers and translate our location, but it was fun as hell. I wouldnt have had those memories if I had high level help for keys, though I wouldnt mind helping with more keys now, I need skill up ;p
one of my ls-members got surpremely pissed off with my ls recently. i asked her why, in private, and she simply said, "i'm being ignored." on further investigation, i realized that it's a lot to do with the fact that she's not being addressed in ls when she needs some assistance.
to go into a bit of background, she's a very committed member, in that she doesn't shell-hop. she doesn't believe in ls-s, till she joined mine (on my invite), and she has gone out on a limb to help others more than once. she's not a high lvl (by high lvl, i mean 60 and above) but she is getting there. she has pretty much given up on chatting in ls, mostly cos she's busy pursuing her lvl or engaged in some intensive activity. the day that she got really pissed off with the ls was when she died, and she asked in ls whether there was a raise nearby and no one answered. after 8 mins, she just shut up and became very sour.
her feelings paraphrased, "i've helped quite a few people on the ls, so why can't i get help in return? a simple response of 'no' would have sufficed, but i got nothing." and to crown the moment, she asked me a question that totally confounded me at first: "what's the point of an ls anyway, aside from help?"
i knew the answer, but couldn't phrase it at that point. it wasn't until i discussed the matter with another ls member that i got the answer put in words. to make it short (i'm late for a homework help session >.>), the ls is about being friends for some, and politics/manipulations to others.
if you're friends first, i don't think help is ever going to be a problem. then again, if you're the politic-ing type, i'm sure there are ls-s who would be perfect roving grounds for you too.
-.-" i apologize, i think i lost my own argument in the typing. hope everyone got my point somehow.
to go into a bit of background, she's a very committed member, in that she doesn't shell-hop. she doesn't believe in ls-s, till she joined mine (on my invite), and she has gone out on a limb to help others more than once. she's not a high lvl (by high lvl, i mean 60 and above) but she is getting there. she has pretty much given up on chatting in ls, mostly cos she's busy pursuing her lvl or engaged in some intensive activity. the day that she got really pissed off with the ls was when she died, and she asked in ls whether there was a raise nearby and no one answered. after 8 mins, she just shut up and became very sour.
her feelings paraphrased, "i've helped quite a few people on the ls, so why can't i get help in return? a simple response of 'no' would have sufficed, but i got nothing." and to crown the moment, she asked me a question that totally confounded me at first: "what's the point of an ls anyway, aside from help?"
i knew the answer, but couldn't phrase it at that point. it wasn't until i discussed the matter with another ls member that i got the answer put in words. to make it short (i'm late for a homework help session >.>), the ls is about being friends for some, and politics/manipulations to others.
if you're friends first, i don't think help is ever going to be a problem. then again, if you're the politic-ing type, i'm sure there are ls-s who would be perfect roving grounds for you too.
-.-" i apologize, i think i lost my own argument in the typing. hope everyone got my point somehow.
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Mlynn, I once had the same problem. When I first started the game and not fully understanding what a linkshell was, I joined a linkshell called LuckysCullers. Not believing in shell-hopping from the start, I spent all my time in that LS, helping where I could, and taking part in the typical banter that goes on. I really enjoyed it... for a while.
Then, on an ever increasing basis (and while I still helped others daily), I was turned down for any help that I needed, and I became frustrated, just like you. I eventually tired of it and quit the LS. I tried out a few other linkshells (one at a time), trying to find one where my ideals about the game matched those of my shell-mates, but I never could find just the right one. What did I do? I had a few friends in the game whose basic ideals matched my own and we formed a linkshell together.
We started off small, and, to be quite honest, still pretty much are, but in the end I wouldn't trade the experience of gathering together some of the truly nicest people on Cerberus for anything. It wasn't an easy road. We all had to work hard to get ourselves into the higher levels - we didn't have anyone to hold our hands through it all - and help was hard to come by, but here we are now, one big, happy family, and my FFXI experience is better for it.
There will always be linkshells where people only think about themselves, and I guess for some people, that works for them. My suggestion to you is to look around, and find a linkshell that fits both your personality and your game ideals. If you can't find one that matches both, form your own. It's a bit of a rough road, but in the end I'm sure it will pay off. If you're the type of person you claim to be, there are quite a few linkshells on Cerberus that would be glad to have you.
And just as an added note, for my linkshell, it's never been a "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" thing. It's all about being good to each other, being good friends, and helping each other out. Sometimes you just have to realize that some people will never be able to pay back all the kindness you've done for them - at least not directly. But if each and every person that gets help from you, in turn makes an equal effort to help others, well... Cerberus would be a much nicer place to be.
Good luck.
Then, on an ever increasing basis (and while I still helped others daily), I was turned down for any help that I needed, and I became frustrated, just like you. I eventually tired of it and quit the LS. I tried out a few other linkshells (one at a time), trying to find one where my ideals about the game matched those of my shell-mates, but I never could find just the right one. What did I do? I had a few friends in the game whose basic ideals matched my own and we formed a linkshell together.
We started off small, and, to be quite honest, still pretty much are, but in the end I wouldn't trade the experience of gathering together some of the truly nicest people on Cerberus for anything. It wasn't an easy road. We all had to work hard to get ourselves into the higher levels - we didn't have anyone to hold our hands through it all - and help was hard to come by, but here we are now, one big, happy family, and my FFXI experience is better for it.
There will always be linkshells where people only think about themselves, and I guess for some people, that works for them. My suggestion to you is to look around, and find a linkshell that fits both your personality and your game ideals. If you can't find one that matches both, form your own. It's a bit of a rough road, but in the end I'm sure it will pay off. If you're the type of person you claim to be, there are quite a few linkshells on Cerberus that would be glad to have you.
And just as an added note, for my linkshell, it's never been a "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" thing. It's all about being good to each other, being good friends, and helping each other out. Sometimes you just have to realize that some people will never be able to pay back all the kindness you've done for them - at least not directly. But if each and every person that gets help from you, in turn makes an equal effort to help others, well... Cerberus would be a much nicer place to be.
Good luck.
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