apparently I am a moron (how to **** off an entire LS)Follow

Well last night i was in a party consisting of pld rng rng brd rdm and me as the blm lvls 53-55 fighting in King Ranperies (sp?) Tomb. It was a good pt, we had some problems finding a tank but eventually got the party going, and the xp was great before a member hit 56 and the kills were very quick. The other 5 members were all in the same linkshell, Darknemesis, but said they were not in a static party. The problem i had was that in my opinion the brd was horrible. Keep in mind that this was my my point of view (as a blm at the time).

First off, he didnt give hunters (or was it archers?) prelude to one of the rngs, and the rng had to ask for it many times before he got it.
The first time time there was a link he ran to the zone instead of even trying to sleep the bats, resulting on them attacking me because i was resting and i died.
Not once did he use a Threondy (sp?) on the bats, even though i thought it was obvious i was having resists.
I never had Learned Etude (for +int) used on me, and i never saw him use Vivacious Etude (or whatever the +vit songs are) on the pld.
After the second link, the puller died after he was back at camp, waiting for the link to be slept, which we all had assumed the brd would do(bats are weak to light, and a brd's Lullaby is light element if i remeber correctly). Unfortunately the brd (who was moving around and kinda looked like he wanted to zone, so I assumed he wasn't afk) didn't attempt to sleep the bat that linked untill after the rdm had done an Elemental Seal + Sleep II, which he managed to stick on the bats . I have no idea why he would wait to use Lullaby untill after the link was slept and the puller dead and the pld voked the other and engaged.
Also, the brd seemed to not use the pt positioning of mages in the back, melee in the front to cast approperate songs. althought i enjoy the +acc song as much as any person, i would stillprefer if he went a little bit in front of the melees and casted it so i could keep my ballad on.

I never mentioned anything to him, since as everybody knows half the time when you try to give a helpfull suggestion you get someone saying "stfu its my job and I'll play it how i want".

So eventually one of the members had to go, and since it was midnight we decided to just disband. Now i gave everyone a warp II except for the brd, because i thought his performance was bad during the party. Well of course the brd send me a /tell after I had warped everyone else then warped myself. the brd asked why I hadn't warped him, and i explained my reasons that I was unsatisfied with his performance. I didn't feel too bad because we had walked in there, and he had whm sub so he could walk right out.
Now a min or so later, i get a /tell from one of the pt members asking why I didnt warp the brd. I explain my reasons to him and then he tells me that his entire LS (Darknemesis) has blisted me. Well since i hold this linshell in high regards since they have invited me to dynamisis (sp?) and last weekend we went to go play with Tiamat, and i got some great screenshots of 40 people being eaten by a huge hungry dragon.
I wanted a fair chance to explain my reasons to them, so i asked for a pearl so i could explain myself to them and hopefully avoid having an entire HNM LS blist me. They gave me a pearl and I started explainging my reasons, and of course they dont agree with me and say i should have given him a warp, and were a little hostile with me, which i fully expected. about halfway through my explanation they break my pearl. Only one person from their LS sent me a /tell agreeing with my decisions.

During this entire incident i did not use any bad language or try to yell at anyone, i just wanted to state my reasons and hopefully they could see my side of things.

Bottom line is i guess it is expected of a blm to give everyone a warp II at the end of the party, no matter how bad i thought they were. from my experiences in the past it wasn't uncommon from a blm to not warp a pt member they didn't like.

Sorry for any spelling and grammer errors, and thanks for reading this post.

/goodbye to my nuetral 3.00 karma.

I'm a very old former member of what used to be Divine Hearts. Back when I had my mithra. Fateholder always came off like a cocky little know it all, I didn't really like him.. True what is said about Meeb, aside from the drg comment. Don't remember why I left that LS, but it led to the creation of my first LS a year ago.

Are they an HNM ls now? Hmmm, have to find out more about that. But on the subject at hand, it wasn't "wrong" of you not to d2 him exactly. But wouldn't you have saved yourself a lot of drama by just going ahead and being a nice guy and doing it? Unless you like drama that is, in which case you're on the track ^.~

Warping everyone in your party except for 1 person because you didn't like his performance is not kosher. If he was being a jerk I can understand.
So the guys sucks at his job, maybe even the game.. but that means you should punish him by singling him out and have him take 15 mins out of his time to trot back to sandy...
Ya, i would say thats messed up. lol

What i dont understand about your story zokiki is how the hell did that ls members of darknemesis who were in that pt not even notice how badly the bard was playing? Granted i would have probably done the same thing and just left um without a D2. IMO if you dont pull your weight in a pt what does it justify the people in pt have to do things for you afterwards?

Ok ok i come from Darknemesis.... (DON'T KILL ME) I have to admit Fateholder can be harsh sometimes, but that is his job in our last ls (Divine Hearts or whatever i don't remember, there was a bunch of bad people in it and Fate got tired of this and made an ls and only let the good people from the previous ls to join.)

You gotta agree with Fateholder you don't want a bunch of asswipes on your ls that do nothing to contribute to our ls. Yes Darknemesis is turning into a HNMls but not completely i mean in this ls we got a like 2 people under 45, BUT! this ls has something called "LS help day on friday" which means all the high levels will be willing to help you on whatever Missions,AF,Quest, etc.... Fate created this, he likes every member of our ls so he's showing that love by making this, so please don't misunderstand Fateholder. And Grandtarupimp i mean your nice and all but when you were in the ls you made a bunch of the members mad we had no choice but to kick you out for the benefit of our ls. Im sorry whatever bad experience you had with a member of our ls but we all have our bad days in parties but calm down the BRD you partied with probably already learned his mistake. So in the end we have to give each other another chance because im sure there were bad days when you performed badly in a party (I know i have).


Edited, Thu Feb 24 19:50:26 2005 by Rockyroad

LOL Enik you silly person.

Oh boy.. I fell the need to chime in again. ;-b

I think the improper thing about what you did is to D2 everyone BUT him. That's just a direct slap in the face. If someone PTed poorly, try to suggest things during a pt. Yes I've been met with hostility before, but more and more people will try it. The trick is to make sure you don't come across as if you know more about their job than they.

I agree everyone at this level should have preperations for their own safe return, but it's easy to forget. After I got my Rep. Army Mantle (24k cp ><) I was quite strapped for CP for a while. Couldn't afford to get a scroll. :-/

I think it is seen as common courtesy for a BLM with D2 to warp the other players out safely. You are by no means required to do so, but to warp all but one is just screaming for confrontation.

You probably would have been better off just saying "oops I hit the wrong macro" or something like that. In my experience it is EXTREMLY difficult to get bards to listen to anything you have to say that may make your party better. Even I on occasion have been stubborn, but everyone learns at some point or other. But just because you are a bard, doesn't mean you can suck and get away with it, thats for dragoons (just kidding). I've had many occasions where I'd try to give lower level bards some advice and gotten snapped at. I was like "umm...I'm lvl 75, here's some good advice" and gotten "#%#$%# you" and even one guy who was like "omg ur not 75 u lyyyyyeee!" and crap like that, bards can be annoying as hell, especially when they have to announce every song they play (with exception of lullaby, thats only one that should have /p in macro (imo)) Luckily the majority of bards are quite skilled and many i've befriended over the course of time, giving advice and helping and stuff. But, back to OP, I would have d2'd his *** and gotten a RDM. When I was lvling WHM with my BLM friend, he'd d2 crappy whm all the time for me to join party lol.

Get it right, it was a sword and sheild and i was war/whm

heh, your spell, your choice. also, your consequences.

i don't think what you did is wrong. no-one in pt should ever expect a blm to D2 them just cos they have the spell. just like i always pack an instant warp handy, or just bloodwarp.

frankly, in your shoes, i'd have done the same (if ever i get to that stage... takes a lot to **** me off than just bad playing skills; bad playing skills i can live with, but snobby attitude i can't really...). just that i probably would have gone "oops, wrong macro. >.>"

note that you could have voiced opinion during the pt, but didn't. if the brd had already known that your opinion of him/her, i'd put in the full hoe-down after deliberately not D2-ing. in this case though, since there is no suggestion of prior conflict (and it seems you don't even want to bother), then it's best to skirt the issue while inconveniencing the fella. :)

as for the ls /blisting you, meh, never had a good impression of supposed HNM LS-es. elitism at the core of it all. *BWahAAhaAhaHa~~!*

ok anyway.

I've learned that your gonna run into ****** peeps from time to time. Sometimes these people are just having a bad day. The best thing to do is just leave or log out or whatever to avoid a conflict.
I had this horrible red mage in a pt the other night. I would go up to 3 fights without refresh. the whm kept sending our rng. which was in my ls tells not to pull fats casue she never had refresh. I was leader of this exp pt. 4/6 people sent me tells complaining. But, I asked all of them not to say anything and just sit back and enjoy getting any exp we can. well we got like 2.5K an hour for 2 hours. When the pt was done we all said our (see you agains) (nice to meet you) and whatevers.
well a few days later I was camping a NM with LS. this RDM was in another party camping that NM. She spoke to me and actually took a link or two once. She also told me thanks for not booting her the other night cause she knew she did a horrible job. was on pain pills for a tooth ache or sumin.
so yea i think you should just D2 the bard and dropped it. I know ive went off on a few people before, had good reasons to, but nothing positive ever came out of it. so if someone pisses you off or is doing a bad job just leave or avoid them. If they do sumin bad enough report em to GM. you will come out ahead in the long run like this.

Or you could stalk them, MPK the whole LS , and them shout

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Speaking from a bard, I know what it is like to feel pressure. This bard in no way threatened you. Sure, they weren't up to par and it is frustrating. We all from time to time, have not performed to our standards in a "exp" party.

You made a lot of people angry with your actions of not D2. Is it your responsibility to warp anyone? No. It is your spell. Just like a WHM has Raise. You cast it on who you see fit. Do you think that maybe instead of acting childish that talking to the bard and letting them know the situation would of helped?

What if you pulled too much hate and the PLD did not voke and you died. And you asked the PLD, "Why didn't you voke?" and the response was, "Cause I didn't like your performance with pulling too much hate, etc."

It would **** ya off huh? Maybe not the same situation, they are different but the underlining affect is the same. Communication.

You have shown crass. Try not to lower your levels and act sheeplishly. It will get you nowhere but blisted.