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#1 Feb 26 2005 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
i just want to say something on raising prices. i mean when i started game emp pin 200k now close to a million and demons arrows 4k now 17k. this is crazy ppl. ppl say it is gil sellers. i think they r partly to blame. Square-enix is to and ppl as well. Square charging ungodly taxes on sells then affects all of van. then ppl thinking like this well if i sell for a few extra 100 or 1000 gil it not going to hurt. then other ppl think the same and so forth. then prices go up. i mean like shihie 4to5k to make it sells for 8k to 10k.
i heard of rumors that is SE is thinking of taking over AH and limit the prices on stuff and getting rid of NM. this r rumors of ppl talking nothing more. something needs to be done all i am saying. poor little noobs be buying leather armor for 10k by summer time:/. i like to hear your suggestion on what SE needs to do or comment on this matter.

Edited, Sat Feb 26 07:14:20 2005 by amecaurine
#2 Feb 26 2005 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Abolishing the AH would be one thing they could do. However low level players would have a hard time affording those 20K low level equip that is like 2k in AH.
#3 Feb 26 2005 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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When i go to the AH to sell something and there are some of the same item selling already i'd put a slightly lower price to the item.

If there are none selling they i'd rise the price considerably (say if there's something that sold for 85k last time i'd put it for 100k), i want to make money on those kind of items, and most of the ppl does the same.

Though i'm not talking about heavyly camped NM's items, but about everyday items.
#4 Feb 26 2005 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
Hello guys,
Im new here, but I wanted to buy myself some Leaping Boots when I saw the price for them...650k and Im a level 10 Warrior Mithra so I cant afford the money for them. It will be a hard time for me but I have to go through it, huh?
Emperor Hairpin 1 mil????
That sounds bad because I wanted to become a Ninja and as far as I know from the Ninja Forums the Emperor Hairpin is a must have for Ninjas.
Anyway, thank you for listening to me,...
Miau~~
#5 Feb 26 2005 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent

Well if you are a level 10, I would say you should take your chances at camping the leaping boots. 650k is not easily made if this is your first job. The leaping lizzy is a relatively painless camp seeing as the timer is very short regarding pop times and also provides an excellent challenge. You may have alot of competition, but the key thing to remember is, be persistent.

The drop rate is also fairly good on the boots. It really is one of those lower level camps that anyone can do and in my opinion is good training for your patience for future NM hunts.
#6 Feb 26 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
Am I able to kill Leaping Lizzy at my level?
Thank you for your advice
#7 Feb 26 2005 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Kacy i doubt you can kill it at your lvl wait atleast a few more lvls just to be safe... but maybe i just have horrible luck cuz im 0/17 on Leaping Lizzy :/
#8 Feb 26 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
There are two core elements causing this problem.

1. The AH - As the OP said, people put it up for just a little more and prices skyrocket.

2. Mobs that drop gil - Notice that ONLY beastmen actually drop gil, and not a whole lot of it.

If the AH were to be abolished and all mobs were to drop gil, prices would change because they would be strictly through bazaars. It would end up being like Everquest.
#9 Feb 26 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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The mining/logging/harvesting nerfs also have affected the price for some stuff, but sadly, not affecting the price of the synths

Edited, Sat Feb 26 13:24:31 2005 by Corrderio
#10 Feb 26 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Like the price of Utsusemi? 2 or 3 days ago I looked at it... it was around 300k.... yesterday, it was nearly 450k. It's sad, I know.

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#11 Feb 26 2005 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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I also heard Utsumei: Ichi is now higher in price than Utsumei: Ni
#12 Feb 26 2005 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
Im getting more and more frustracting because of the prices of Utsusemi. 450k only for a scroll.~~
Even Tonko:Ichi I hope that I ve spelled it right, costs around 90k. Thats disgusting. how should I be able to get so much moeny??? As far as Ive heard its not that easy to obtain gil in the game, so what to do?
Any suggestions?
Thank you for your advice guys.
Miau~~
#13 Feb 26 2005 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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As boring as it is, kill worms in Dangruff Wadi for zinc ore and start doing that quest over and over again. Once you are of level to use Utsesumi you will have traded enough to quest for it, the Ichi quest itself is simple and will save you quite a bit of gil.
#14 Feb 26 2005 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not gil sellers or alignment of certain planets driving up the prices. When SE implemented the new AH fee system, they figured that people would be compelled to lower their prices, in order to take a bit of the bite out of the fees.

However, being the geniuses that most of them are, they decided "Hey! I'll just sell it for twice the price! That way the end result makes up for the exorbitant fee!"

SE: 0 Greedy Players: 7,920




Edit: Hey, the Jujitsu Gi fell 100k... maybe people are catching on...

Edited, Sat Feb 26 20:50:55 2005 by Anfini
#15 Feb 27 2005 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
Well gilsellers dissapeared for a month during chinese new year. During this time prices just raised even more. Why?
Cause of lack of items. Some items gil farmers have had own monopoly on and now that they are gone some NMs where hardly hunted at all (even some HNMs where up unhunted) Lack of items with high demand gives high prices. thats one reason.
#16 Feb 28 2005 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
You may have heard in the media businessmen and political rulers referring to "labour costs" being too high. They become concerned when their attempts to maintain a "productive" and "flexible" labour force are resisted in some way. They happily admit that one of their roles is to manage the economy. And the most important component of the economy is you.

You may feel powerlessness, but this feeling is in itself powerful. As something for sale on the labour market, you are an absolutely essential component of the power and wealth of your employers and political rulers. Only as long as you accept this inequality (which has so many destructive consequences) can it remain.
From www.worldsocialism.org

I suggest creating your own economy within your Linkshell! I can talk about the economy and politics all day... but the people must bring change. Socialism does not work in RL... would it work in VR?

Just my 2 gil for the day :p

Edited, Mon Feb 28 02:44:44 2005 by abancai
#17 Feb 28 2005 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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The solution to this problem at least in my mind, would be to alter the AH tax system so that the more a player tries to charge over the market price of an item, the higher the tax. SE should take an average of the cost of items on all servers and form a baseline for taxes off that.
#18 Feb 28 2005 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Nice thought, won't happen. Too much work for them.
#19 Feb 28 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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well myself I raise the price because of AH fees. I'm not gonna loose on sumin I paid more for. This week I sold alot of equip I wasn't using any more. haubergeon, lord's cuirses, espadon +1 , vigor rings. I just watched till none was in stock and I did go up in price. mainly to cover the tax. just on haubergeon alone the tax was 78K gills.

I really don't think the gill sellers are making the prices go up.
there not the ones farming crystals and crafting supplies. personally If i could make all the crafters raise the hell out of their prices I would. If anyone has tried to craft lately you would know it's all a big loss. mainly because of ingredient cost.

Im not even gonna try to come up with the golden plan for everyone to have leaping boots and a hairpin. but these are high-end items . Ones not ment for everyone to have. so I don't expect the price to get to the same as lizard boots or chainmail.
#20 Feb 28 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I had an LS member looking for a Haub Algar. :-/

Which reminds me, can anyone craft one?
#21 Feb 28 2005 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Prices rise because of supply and demand... the gil sellers provided a steady supply of items and therefore the price stayed steady. People only complain about the cost of items at the AH when they are buying. Who complains when the item they are selling has gone up in price? Eventually, we all sell and all have to buy.

I tend to put things up at the AH in cities other then Jeuno. The lower going price off sets the cost of the tax in Jeuno. Sure it takes a little longer to sell, but I still make out even if not gain a profit by avoiding the 14% (I believe) tax in Jeuno.

And, as far as I'm concerned if I am synthing, I figure the cost of the items I have made and mark up a reasonable profit to sell. For instance, Chocobo Fletchings sell for 1k a stack but only cost 360g-445g a stack to make if I buy the crystals and not farm them. I always put them up on auction for the same price regardless of the going price.

Also, its a good idea to check out the vendors for armor and weapons and synthing supplies. Some one mentioned leather armor cost at the AH... but, the whole leather gear set up can be purchased at a vendor in Sandy for less the 4k.

For the most part, people are lazy and would rather do the easy thing and buy from the convience of the AH then spend the time looking around or looking up quests that give items and doing them. And, in being lazy, are lining the pockets of those that put the item on AH at a slightly higher price.

Anyway... thats my thoughts... Greedy and Laziness rule Vana'diel!
#22 Feb 28 2005 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
The solution is this,


Put emp pin on AH, SE makes the price automatically for 300K

but you can choose a buyout price for say : 400K

but you have to put it up for 300K no matter what. u dig??



SE really needs to fix the amount of gil that comes off mobs and specialty items that come off mobs. its not fun killing crawlers all day that only drop one thing. SILK.

why not jazz it up a bit and every once in a while have the mobs drop a nice item which isnt an nm

Foret kills the carnivorous crawler
Foret obtains an earth crystal
Foret obtains a silk thread
Foret obtains a scroll of teleport Holla

u dig??

this would pretty much make the money flow much better in respect to noobs and mid level.
SE please make this game less of a headache and more fun. for I may leave soon due to too many migranes ><
#23 Feb 28 2005 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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You know what I find funny, the Auction House has no auctions. o.O
Adding to what Foret said (or maybe just elaborating) If they have a standard base price, with a standard base time on AH, but you have the option to set a "Buy it now" price or just up the current bid, ala eBay, maybe this would help.

I think it would also be more fun. You'd have people convert to day traders. LoL. Just a thought stemming from Foret's post.
#24 Feb 28 2005 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
yes leet.,

I do like the ebay idea .

dont you think most things would be solved with that plan??

I do

Ill tell you one thing. I have a large friends list which i talk to many people every day.,

do you know how many people have resorted to buying gill online??

the answer is many. i know about 12 people personally who have purchased gil online.

do i look down on them?? no i dont, u know why, because when they have gil they are happy and fun to talk with. one of my good friends Ba___an /tell me the other day.
"Ok dude i just got 2 scorpion rings!!!! and a plutos staff!!" he was so happy. now there is no way he could have gotten these the traditional way without farming for hours on end.

So basically what im saying is, there are so many people out there buying gil, u all have no idea. if 1/3 of my friendslist is buying gil, i would have to say about 1/4 of cerberus has boughten gil. this is due to SE crappy Ah system and lack of rewarding us with daily fights.

c'mon when you party for 4 hours and only have 2 stacks of earth crystals to show for it as a reward, thats not right!
#25 Mar 01 2005 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the real problem is players in general (average one) is getting rich. Inflation is a response to supply and demand, and also a response on how much money out there.

A few likely reason why people are rich:

1) Fish botting: I hope it is fixed now. In the past, it was really bad and introduce huge amount of new money into the server.

2) Gil sellers: Gil sellers that are after beastmen, and sell stuff to vendors create a large amount of money in the game.

3) Profitable repeatable quests: Hell, I can go kill all 6 avatar primes everyday and make 60k (from NPC) everyday.

4) Monopoly of high level crafters: Leveling up craft is not cheap, and once you get up there, you do not want new competition (i.e. no other new high level crafter), and are able to monopolize certain items (especially if you have a HNMLS behind you to farm the items).

5) Some LS and players are insanely rich, and are willing to pay the steeper price. LSs like HighPower, KoN or PunishmentofAsia has... probably few hundred million. May be Bani can tell us the answer ;p
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