A plea for helpFollow

This will be my last post because again I do not care for anyone else's opinions on this matter, I only care that Ali come back to the game. She is a dear friend.

Enthuz, none of my comments were directed at u, so I am unsure why u directed yours at me except that my post was directly under yours. It was not a response to your comments, it was a response to Ali's initial posting. I did not post my comment to be judged by anyone and if you want to play that game, have fun. You'll be playing it alone. I handle things as we all do, the best to our abilities.

I don't tolerate pieces of **** (and yes, I'm calling him name which I feel is an accurate description so if ur offended, go watch the Disney Channel) messing with my friends IRL and I'm certainly not gonna tolerate it in a video game, so any opportunity I see to have Arconis banned from this game, I will take action on and smile while doing it. If that's 'holier than thou' mentality, then so be it. Don't be so naive to think that your 'ideals' apply to everyone in every situation.

Edited, Thu Mar 3 15:31:35 2005 by Kaerith

Edited, Thu Mar 3 16:04:48 2005 by Kaerith

[/quote=ElvaanKrem]about picking sides, i've already picked one. it's the one that sympathizes with alethea's plight, and that she should approach SE, and not just the GMs, with evidence that arconis is indeed causing her much discomfiture in game. till she tries that, i don't think she has done the max that she can do in order to free herself from the trauma of having a stalker.

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This is helpful and this is all that needed to be said on this matter, aside from comfort and sympathy.

*double post* deleted it

Edited, Thu Mar 3 16:32:26 2005 by aletheamonk

i'm not judging you. i merely voiced my disapproval, thinking that it is inappropriate to take matters into your own hands, especially when there are more appropriate avenues for seeking redress. if you intend to treat it as a 'judgement' as opposed to an opinion, or constructive criticism, that's really your prerogative. if anything, you're playing a game with yourself.



true. it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. i merely suggested that alethea use a channel that has already been set in place--one that i believe she has yet to use. as opposed to the gung ho notion of playing the hero yourself. fact remains, law is law. if you get caught committing an MPK on arconis, you're as guilty as he is. an MPK is an MPK, just like harrassment is harrassment, and murder in RL is just that, murder.

see here that this is spawned from concern for friends, and the better of the people involved, not some 'naiveite' as you seem to imply. i'm not going to name call you, cos seriously, you've earned my respect. and to date, i still respect you for being quite a powerhouse in game, with great ideals, and aspirations. regardless of how naive i might be, i don't think i deserved that.

Welcome back.

Let's hope this whole issue will be resolved soon. If something happened again, just press on the GM again. I think if GM said something would be done, it may just mean a warning was given (not immediate banning or send player to GM jail). That is why you should GM call again if something happened again.

Sometimes I wonder how often GM call in the event of harressment or MPK or illegimate NM camping. I myself GM called against improper holding the Morion Worm in the past, and have a short discussion why GM cannot really do anything. But now, SE actually taken care of that problem. The fact 800 accounts have been deleted, and certain well known MPKers/MPKing LSs and harressers are still around Cerberus may indiciate not enough pressure was put on the GM to take solid action.

my turn to clarify:

i've partied with arconis before on some occasions, and also have had more than one chance to converse with him in private on different issues. i believe that he is one hot headed person, and from what i gather of him, he'll only turn to drastic measures if he's pissed off about something.

while i do believe that he has been commiting the alleged acts as previously mentioned, i do not believe that misreporting the true nature of it under the guise of simply sexual harrassment is warranted, nor enough. i'm even more abhorrent of the fact that players cease being players, thinking that it is their sole right to be above the written law. i admit that there's no such perfect law, that everyone remains happy. but in this i remain somewhat functionalist. i appreciate the conflict point of view, where power is stratified, and must be fought for, but where ffxi is concerned, is this lust for power really necessary? so much so that people would willingly break the law to exact revenge, while expecting their 'righteous' cause to negate the crime?

if arconis were really drawn to alethea sexually, then i wouldn't have said a word about misreporting. but fact remains i've seen arconis sit around a lot with Usababe in game, and doesn't seem the leery sex maniac type in his speech. given also that i had prior knowledge that there had been bad blood between alethea and arconis (about denied access to LS, among other things), it really isn't hard for me to see that arconis is using sexual harrassment as nothing more than a tool. so why make a big deal about one tool when you could have already done so with attempted MPK and other similar acts? why hide the fact that the real reason behind all this is that arconis wants revenge, and only directed at alethea, not other females in vanadiel?

/sigh, i ramble. i apologize. it's just that the more i think about it, the more pissed i am. i've never been sexually harrassed, but i've been subject to bully tactics. i've experienced first hand whatever alethea has gone through (maybe not as acute because of the sexual connotations, but no less painful, i can assure you), and can't believe i have to go to such extent to even explain myself.



no, 2 times is not enough. think about how many other similar incidents might be going on in vanadiel? how many of them are fake? this is one isolated incident, but in a population of about 2000 (and probably more) with an approximate 3/4 male, and 1/2 of that horny adolescents, how many more reports of sexual harrassment do you think there are? this among the other bannable crimes like MPK and item monopoly, including glitch reports, and other things that GMs have to attend to, it kinda pales in comparison no? victims always feel it the hardest, but when you think macro-scale, it's really not the same.

now, i'm not saying that the GMs are right in not responding. but maybe they did, and just like another bureaucracy, the paperwork got lost in the process. or maybe they didn't bother at all. so what do we do in this case? shouldn't the GM be fired? and who should be approached?



you know, after all this, if you so much as DARE leave the game again, i'd be extremely disappointed. we may not even know each other, but i definitely do NOT like any victim of bully-tactics calling it quits, especially when there are loving friends like that around you to support you all the way.

yes, i'm done. and since i already exploded WrynOhmsford's mine, i guess i have to lay another one...

First, I dont think harassment of any kind should be tolerated... playing on online game and getting harassed is akin to getting prank harassing phone calls.. you dont know the person at the other end of the line, but it is still illegal.

Second, Im a female gamer and proud of it.. Im NOT going to tell someone I'm a guy just to get them off my back. People need to have a little respect in this game. MOST people respect female gamers.. but like most everything else its still concidered a 'Mans (boys) world'.

Third, I think asking others to lookout for such behavior is a good idea. Instead of just hiding in a hole and waiting for it to go away. Whether it is Arconis or someone else.. people need to be warned that this behavior IS happening and it IS wrong.

Good Luck if it has happened to you.. and with enough mail to SE and calls to GM's maybe they will develop a strong policy to deal with this behavior.

And, In addition (edit here) I'd like to say that I am upset that a topic as important as harassment has turned into a flaming match between a few people. YES, people have diffences of opinion. YES, not everyone agrees. BUT, that DOES NOT mean they are wrong. Arguing your opinion is one thing... totally flaming someone for their opinion is utter nonsense. This topic of discussion got way out of hand.

Edited, Sun Mar 6 17:46:40 2005 by TauriTensor

for those that don't think enough has been said yet.

I find it saddening that such occurances are so common that they "should be expected". In all reality though, harrassment of that nature is almost to the point where it should be expected... though it most definitely does not make it right. I find it to be a grotesque show of inability to use self-control. Chivalry is not a cherished trait anymore in today's society. I /slap people that emote or say something sexual to random females around them.

Once, in Garlaige, Joeyabs (sp?) emoted "webbing up the inside" of some female character's mouth. I gave him the standard /slap, and when he sent me a /tell with "wtf", I told him he should be more polite. It's horrible that people are so inconsiderate...

It sucks that the GM didn't do anything, and if other people sent /tells thinking you put out, that's a blight on your reputation... and that affects you both "in letters" and in real life, since it will affect the amount of enjoyment you get in-game. Such crap should not be tolerated.

subject is from march... thanks for the revival and the continuing misinterpretation which I had to re-clearify multiple times.

:) kitty is my buddy. All your base are belong to him.

Edited, Wed Jul 27 21:35:40 2005 by ElvaanKrem