Peace out messageboarders... it's apparent to me that there's more cliques here than I care to deal with. I was able to tolerate it up until now. However, there is one major click here with normally, rational thinking, and I have no problems with them... until now I guess. Errr rather, they have a problem with me.
In another thread, a poster decided to name a player that was harrassing her rather than post a story about how she had been harrassed. This was not a story detailing the incidents or giving step by step in the scenario... instead it was a summarized: "This player sexually harrassed me and a GM wouldn't do anything about it."
Knowing mentioned player, I found it hard to believe the story could be as bad as poster made it out to be. The fact the GM did nothing only supports this belief as well. However, this is not my issue, or their issue with me rather. No, the issue is I said "players who play female characters should more or less expect to be harrassed at one point or another." and added that one should not make too big of a deal out of it as it is all text. I guess that some people just can't distinguish game from reality and assume that any actions on said player's character is not an action on the character, but inturn an action on the player him/herself. Sorry, but until there's a way to see who or what (gender) is controlling a character in game, there's no way to see what gender said player is.
Because of this, when people hit on or harrass Krem or Nebz, I lol and brush it off as some lonely individual in his mom's basement trying to score with pixilated ****. I don't know why blist wasn't an option... however, I voiced my opinion nonetheless. My opinion was misconstrued and delivered incorrectly... people flammed up and talked down to me. I began taking rate downs as well.
I can take rate downs if you disagree with something I said in one of my posts... and in that case, only that post should be rated down. However, noticing ALL my posts being rated down, I decided to test the class of this elitist clique by posting links to other posts I had made which were completely irrelevant to the topic at hand... sadly, as I expected, those were trolled to hell..
Therefore, I've lost my faith here, no longer feel welcome here and only see depictive, demeaning groups and cliques. This used to be a site where I could meet some cool people, but apparently by voicing my opinion to ONE person, I go to battle with that person's entire clique... and I don't need it.
Troll this thread, then go troll your life. For those that get bent up by stating the fact that women are more likely to be hit on and/or harrassed than males... don't take things soo seriously... for those that can't deal with a player ingame by simply blisting them... don't make the game your life...
I'm done here, and maybe done on FFXI as well, time will tell that one tho. For those that I leave behind here, I'll miss you... for those whom pushed me into my descision...
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You giving up now....... gonna let some 24/7 forum's trolls' rates down make you stop, if you do and thats the reason behind it, you my friend are a quitter.
I remember one thread that I opened a while ago, where I depicted an issue with a player that mpk'd me, how my ratings went from 3.95 to default only because some peeps didn't agree with what actually happened, eventhough time proved me right on what I posted and that such palyer indeed Mpk'ed THE MIGHTY DARKVLADE on one of his lower jobs incarnations lol.
That didn't stopped me from posting here, to the contrary I kept posting, whenever I saw something that might help another player looking for info or to clarify another's post, since no matter how many peeps wants to rate you down, there's always that one anonymous person that "X" post made a difference on it and appreciated that you did post it and thats the one that you doing it for.
So stop saying that you will not post, take a break if needed and comeback, there are a lot of positive and cool peeps still in this forums and the others.
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I remember one thread that I opened a while ago, where I depicted an issue with a player that mpk'd me, how my ratings went from 3.95 to default only because some peeps didn't agree with what actually happened, eventhough time proved me right on what I posted and that such palyer indeed Mpk'ed THE MIGHTY DARKVLADE on one of his lower jobs incarnations lol.
That didn't stopped me from posting here, to the contrary I kept posting, whenever I saw something that might help another player looking for info or to clarify another's post, since no matter how many peeps wants to rate you down, there's always that one anonymous person that "X" post made a difference on it and appreciated that you did post it and thats the one that you doing it for.
So stop saying that you will not post, take a break if needed and comeback, there are a lot of positive and cool peeps still in this forums and the others.
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I was just thinking of that post DV, We duked it out for about a week and as i turned out, i was wrong. But for the record, i never rated you down because im an idiot and just learned about 2 weeks ago how to do it. ><
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Troll this thread, then go troll your life.
from someone who has 3287 posts..
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Knowing mentioned player, I found it hard to believe the story could be as bad as poster made it out to be.
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harrassment, in any form is wrong, never justifiable, and should never be taken lightly. It is not a clique issue, nor is it a group issue... what happened was wrong. plain and simple.
The problem with the post was your tact. You basically said that it should be expected that female charaters/players will be harassed, and that if a GM can't do anything about it, they should live with it, and brush it aside as if it means nothing.
Unfortunately, your opinion seems to be very unpopular, even with your own "clique". Then again, your use of the word "clique" is erroneous: You seem to be the only one to disagree with everyone else.
For the record, I was the only one to rate down posts in about half of those threads you posted, just to prove a point: If you're gonna act like flamebait, you're gonna get burned.
Now leave.
Unfortunately, your opinion seems to be very unpopular, even with your own "clique". Then again, your use of the word "clique" is erroneous: You seem to be the only one to disagree with everyone else.
For the record, I was the only one to rate down posts in about half of those threads you posted, just to prove a point: If you're gonna act like flamebait, you're gonna get burned.
Now leave.
Krem,
I knew you in the game and you have been nothing but nice to me. You were considerate enough to go Aketon hunting for me, I didn't rate you down and would never, you helped me greatly. I hope you consider keeping an eye on these boards and chiming in from time to time. All you did was stick up for your friend, nothing wrong with that, have him log in here and defend himself, that usually helps alot and gets people talking in a more civil manner. Just a thought.
I knew you in the game and you have been nothing but nice to me. You were considerate enough to go Aketon hunting for me, I didn't rate you down and would never, you helped me greatly. I hope you consider keeping an eye on these boards and chiming in from time to time. All you did was stick up for your friend, nothing wrong with that, have him log in here and defend himself, that usually helps alot and gets people talking in a more civil manner. Just a thought.
Actually, Dahlgren, that will more than likely escalate the issue. The delivery of what he was trying to say was poor. He realized that and tried to correct himself. It's best just to be left alone for now and let everyone cool down.
Krem, a word of advice. (I KNOW Im not known for my tact, so please bear with me)
If you want to take a break from these boards, go for it. I've done it a few times myself. Sometimes its just a bit too much with the seemingly random trolling that goes on.
But.. If you are thinking of quitting the game over the same or similar things going on in the game. My advice is to not delete anything!!! Not even mules. lol
Force yourself to take a long break, like weeks or something. Do not play for a week, no matter how badly you want to. No matter what the ls had planned, or what you wanted to lvl (char, craft, etc.) Do this for a week or so and then come back.
If it still feels all wrong, then go ahead and delete. But odds are you might find it a bit refreshing to forcibly withdraw for a few days.
idk, just a thought.
If you want to take a break from these boards, go for it. I've done it a few times myself. Sometimes its just a bit too much with the seemingly random trolling that goes on.
But.. If you are thinking of quitting the game over the same or similar things going on in the game. My advice is to not delete anything!!! Not even mules. lol
Force yourself to take a long break, like weeks or something. Do not play for a week, no matter how badly you want to. No matter what the ls had planned, or what you wanted to lvl (char, craft, etc.) Do this for a week or so and then come back.
If it still feels all wrong, then go ahead and delete. But odds are you might find it a bit refreshing to forcibly withdraw for a few days.
idk, just a thought.
i must be missing something. i don't remember any thread about a sexual harrassment. o.O
Edit: nvm, found it. ><
Edited, Tue Mar 1 17:17:03 2005 by Enthuz
Edit: nvm, found it. ><
Edited, Tue Mar 1 17:17:03 2005 by Enthuz
I don't know what has been said in this other thread, so I'm probably only getting half the story here. Something you said that others didn't like (If you are a female player you should expect to be harrassed) I myself didn't make my mithra toon and anticipate to be hit on. I guess there are quite a few hentai fans out there. >.>
You do have these girls on our server who act over-sexed however. Might be feeding these kids libidos. So that being said, these kids might get the wrong impression that its okay to harass other femal charicters.
So I can see how could say "Expect to be harrassed". Its like almost confessing that some guys are pigs and they dont know how to keep there mouths shut. I can read that statement in many ways.
You do have these girls on our server who act over-sexed however. Might be feeding these kids libidos. So that being said, these kids might get the wrong impression that its okay to harass other femal charicters.
So I can see how could say "Expect to be harrassed". Its like almost confessing that some guys are pigs and they dont know how to keep there mouths shut. I can read that statement in many ways.
it's an alternate thread to which I didn't mention any names.
Leet, I thank you for remaining rational and viewing the bigger picture rather than picking apart my misdelivered statements.
For those that think I shouldn't leave cause of this, sorry, but I think it's for the best... I've been making very little, if any, progress over the last 4 months and now with this, I would anticipate less friendly of reception when I log into Cerberus and inturn, less enjoyable atmosphere. Personally, I don't need that frustration when I'm looking for entertainment... so I'll go find something where only the computer can harass me or **** me off.
Marzi, don't worry about, it's in another thread and it's all been said already. That isn't the way I intended to make my point either... my point was more of
"You don't buy a car without checking it over for leaks and diagnosing it to ensure it runs safe..."
"You don't buy a house without checking the foundation, the ceiling/roof and/or the neighborhood."
"You don't cross the street without looking both ways cause you know there's cars out there."
Soooo... when it comes to MMO's, why would it be any different? You have a group of people all playing under anonymity. A male player can use a male or female character... same applies for a female. SE didn't lock you into using your own gender for your character, so you'd think that'd help reduce harrassment. However, rather than reducing harrassment, it just increases it slightly because the same amount of females that would be harrassed still are harrassed, but now there's a handfull of males also being harrassed by other males. When you sign on, and you do a /sea all... anywhere from 2000-4500 people could be online at that given time. To trust that all 2000-4500 people are considerate players goes beyond saying... they're not all considerate. Some will try to rob you, some will try to MPK you and others will harass opposite gender characters in hopes that they can finally find some action in their empty lives.
That is why I said "more or less expect"... to state that none of those 2000-4500 people will harrass you is rediculous. That was my point and nothing more... I don't know who made it seem like I was making my point: "Deal with it or quit".. because that was not it.
Anywho, it's over, it's done... and Jerhyn, you trolling ****... I'm gone. Just a shame my allakhazam account is paid for the next 9 months ; ;.
Edited, Tue Mar 1 17:32:04 2005 by ElvaanKrem
Leet, I thank you for remaining rational and viewing the bigger picture rather than picking apart my misdelivered statements.
For those that think I shouldn't leave cause of this, sorry, but I think it's for the best... I've been making very little, if any, progress over the last 4 months and now with this, I would anticipate less friendly of reception when I log into Cerberus and inturn, less enjoyable atmosphere. Personally, I don't need that frustration when I'm looking for entertainment... so I'll go find something where only the computer can harass me or **** me off.
Marzi, don't worry about, it's in another thread and it's all been said already. That isn't the way I intended to make my point either... my point was more of
"You don't buy a car without checking it over for leaks and diagnosing it to ensure it runs safe..."
"You don't buy a house without checking the foundation, the ceiling/roof and/or the neighborhood."
"You don't cross the street without looking both ways cause you know there's cars out there."
Soooo... when it comes to MMO's, why would it be any different? You have a group of people all playing under anonymity. A male player can use a male or female character... same applies for a female. SE didn't lock you into using your own gender for your character, so you'd think that'd help reduce harrassment. However, rather than reducing harrassment, it just increases it slightly because the same amount of females that would be harrassed still are harrassed, but now there's a handfull of males also being harrassed by other males. When you sign on, and you do a /sea all... anywhere from 2000-4500 people could be online at that given time. To trust that all 2000-4500 people are considerate players goes beyond saying... they're not all considerate. Some will try to rob you, some will try to MPK you and others will harass opposite gender characters in hopes that they can finally find some action in their empty lives.
That is why I said "more or less expect"... to state that none of those 2000-4500 people will harrass you is rediculous. That was my point and nothing more... I don't know who made it seem like I was making my point: "Deal with it or quit".. because that was not it.
Anywho, it's over, it's done... and Jerhyn, you trolling ****... I'm gone. Just a shame my allakhazam account is paid for the next 9 months ; ;.
Edited, Tue Mar 1 17:32:04 2005 by ElvaanKrem
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and Jerhyn, you trolling ****... I'm gone. Just a shame my allakhazam account is paid for the next 9 months ; ;.
Glad to hear it, you sexist ***.
Now, to work on your FFXI account.
Yep, I think that 'expect to harrassed' thing was taken out of context. I don't see Krem codoning this guys (alleged) behavior. Merly saying that you are probably going to run into some weird horny little boys during your time playing the mmorpg.
Personally, Its not as bad as PSO where kids would run around, spaming the lobbys saying "LOL! IMMA HUMP U'RE BUTT" or some crap like that. ._.
Personally, Its not as bad as PSO where kids would run around, spaming the lobbys saying "LOL! IMMA HUMP U'RE BUTT" or some crap like that. ._.
Fristly, I would be lying if I said I wasnt already biased in this. I wasnt there for what was mentioned in the other thread but I did create a rant once explaining my only negative experience in the game with another player. I didnt even realize you posted in that thread till I read through the harassment thread. Almost immediately after I created the original from a month or two ago I felt silly for posting it. Not because I was wrong with what I said, but because I never normally vent in the way I did. But thinking back on it, Im still shocked by the events of that night. I wasnt lying about what I had said and I wasnt alone when it happened. Many others happened by and witnessed the events unfold as I had stated them. People who werent offiliated with our shell were there. So when you stated its a clique issue your wrong.
Ive always appreciated your point of view when your posts are on the opposite spectrum of others. Normally it livens the debate or discussion at hand. But in this instance I disagree with how you handled it. Even if your a friend of the person named, its best to take things of this nature with more caution. Ive come to believe that no matter how much you may know someone to be good, they can be completely opposite to others and almost lead a double life. Thats not something I would just associate with FFXI, its like that n the real world. Ive seen very rational people do very irrational things. And Ive seen people who are generally good lash out at someone for a difference in oppinion.
Nebz, I know you dont remember me at all in game. But I remember almost every contact I have had with others. My first with you was memorable. I was new to the game, didnt have a shell and died more times than I could count. I was in Fort Gelsba and you were helping one of your friends with their WHM. You were kind enough to let me tag along. I pt'd with your WHM friend for a good 4 hours before it was late and you guys had to head back. I hadnt forgotten how nice you were to me and your first impression was so good I havent ever forgotten your nick. That and you were the first tarutaru Ive met ingame. Many many many months later I was jugner forest and you were being chased by a walking tree. It unclaimed when you were running so I flashed/voked and thomped the mob for you. You were gracious and bowed, I reminded you that you had helped me many months earlier. It felt nice to be able to do the same for you then.
Anyways, I rarely post in farewell threads. And although I completely disagree with your oppinion I would think you leaving over this...just isnt right. I dont rate down posts when I disagree with others but I do openly state when I think its poor taste. This is the first time I can honestly say what you said was in poor taste. Whether or not you believe the op in a thread, you have to show more respect to the particular situation. Dont feel as if your being flamed when people are sensitive to something like this. Just realize what it is...and think how people would react if it werent a game. Other than that, I have one question for you or maybe a statement..(Im writing and thinking about way too many things). If a GM does nothing about a particular situation does that mean it didnt happen? Obviously you took the approach of "if the GM doesnt act...it likely didnt happen." I just wanted to remind you that GM's ignore MANY things ingame even when there's something obviously wrong.
Anywho, take the advice of Deathbywhm....cooler heads prevail in almost any situation. Disagreeing with the majority doesnt make you "the bad guy". I just hate to see you taking it so personally. Let people rate you down...who cares about that. People are upset, its human to be upset. Dont let this one situation take away from other things. And no, I wont "avoid" you as you stated in the other thread. Im not that kind of person, and I wont do so just because we have differing oppinions on the character of one individual.
I hope you dont think poorly of me as I dont think poorly of you. I do however, dont agree with your position in this matter. That doesnt mean Im going to villify you. We just dont agree.....and we dont always have to.
Ive always appreciated your point of view when your posts are on the opposite spectrum of others. Normally it livens the debate or discussion at hand. But in this instance I disagree with how you handled it. Even if your a friend of the person named, its best to take things of this nature with more caution. Ive come to believe that no matter how much you may know someone to be good, they can be completely opposite to others and almost lead a double life. Thats not something I would just associate with FFXI, its like that n the real world. Ive seen very rational people do very irrational things. And Ive seen people who are generally good lash out at someone for a difference in oppinion.
Nebz, I know you dont remember me at all in game. But I remember almost every contact I have had with others. My first with you was memorable. I was new to the game, didnt have a shell and died more times than I could count. I was in Fort Gelsba and you were helping one of your friends with their WHM. You were kind enough to let me tag along. I pt'd with your WHM friend for a good 4 hours before it was late and you guys had to head back. I hadnt forgotten how nice you were to me and your first impression was so good I havent ever forgotten your nick. That and you were the first tarutaru Ive met ingame. Many many many months later I was jugner forest and you were being chased by a walking tree. It unclaimed when you were running so I flashed/voked and thomped the mob for you. You were gracious and bowed, I reminded you that you had helped me many months earlier. It felt nice to be able to do the same for you then.
Anyways, I rarely post in farewell threads. And although I completely disagree with your oppinion I would think you leaving over this...just isnt right. I dont rate down posts when I disagree with others but I do openly state when I think its poor taste. This is the first time I can honestly say what you said was in poor taste. Whether or not you believe the op in a thread, you have to show more respect to the particular situation. Dont feel as if your being flamed when people are sensitive to something like this. Just realize what it is...and think how people would react if it werent a game. Other than that, I have one question for you or maybe a statement..(Im writing and thinking about way too many things). If a GM does nothing about a particular situation does that mean it didnt happen? Obviously you took the approach of "if the GM doesnt act...it likely didnt happen." I just wanted to remind you that GM's ignore MANY things ingame even when there's something obviously wrong.
Anywho, take the advice of Deathbywhm....cooler heads prevail in almost any situation. Disagreeing with the majority doesnt make you "the bad guy". I just hate to see you taking it so personally. Let people rate you down...who cares about that. People are upset, its human to be upset. Dont let this one situation take away from other things. And no, I wont "avoid" you as you stated in the other thread. Im not that kind of person, and I wont do so just because we have differing oppinions on the character of one individual.
I hope you dont think poorly of me as I dont think poorly of you. I do however, dont agree with your position in this matter. That doesnt mean Im going to villify you. We just dont agree.....and we dont always have to.
My boyfriends char. was molested 2 nights ago from an elvaan M. Hobbes is a guy Taru too! wtf? o.O
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Personally, Its not as bad as PSO where kids would run around, spaming the lobbys saying "LOL! IMMA HUMP U'RE BUTT" or some crap like that. ._.
I'm so very glad I didn't take that game online.
i just read the thread. i have a few thoughts:
1) FFXI is played by numerous adolescents who have not or will not grow up. in context, Krem is right: you CAN expect to be harrassed if you were playing a mithra or any female character. you CANNOT expect teens aged 13-20 (some older, and to be specific, i refer to the male gaming community) to be mature. However, you are NOT EXPECTED to put up with it.
2) how real one wants to make this game is solely decided by that one player, and nobody else. if anyone here is an avid sociology fan, i refer to how Symbolic Interaction is the fundamental concept of how the individual perceives reality.
Krem: it's really not about whether you're right to call it a game in this context, cos as much as it is a game to you, it isn't a game to alethea. you may think some gamers are stupid to attach so much meaning to pixels and text, but it really is their choice. on this note, i'd like to add that you're attaching quite a lot of meaning to text and pixels too. else why'd you get so frustrated with a forum? sounds to me you're committing the very crime you feel alethea shouldn't.
3) alethea is right to call for a GM if she felt uncomfortable with the 'attention'. whether or not the GM does anything is moot, for that is up to the higher authorities to decide. But i'm surprised that the GM did NOT do anything, since unwanted attention of this sort goes against all the violations i can think of in the terms of agreement. but that's another story for another thread.
3) i stand by my belief that it is not up to the players themselves to take matters into their own hands. i'll choose to see alethea's message as a plea to others to persuade Arconis to quit his attentiveness, and nothing more. although my cynic side must agree with Krem that it seems there's more than meets the eye in that one plea.
4) leet and jeryhn are seemingly biased in their argument. possibly from having personal experience with Arconis or Alethea, or both. while i don't begrudge what has been said, i'd like to add that jerhyn is painting a rather bad picture of himself with threats of MPK, among others. maybe it didn't need to go so far? Krem was sticking up for his belief in someone, and that's admirable. all he seemed to say was that alethea seemed to be giving summaries while not reporting actual incidences. in the absence of specific evidence, i feel inclined to believe that maybe alethea should elaborate and give examples if she really felt the need to attain assistance. Stick up for your beliefs in alethea, and respect that the audience is intelligent enough to draw the conclusions.
edit: i owe leet an apology. after re-reading his posts, i realized that he was actually being rather objective with his posts. so in this case, i think i only refer to jerhyn.
5) i never believed in ratings. i still don't. i don't see why people intentional rate others up or down. i feel ratings discourages discussion, cos any idea raised that is non-conforming with the norms will instantly be rated down. just like if i post something like
"i firmly believe that i must buy out items on AH and resell them at higher prices so that i can monopolize any one item. this is the only way i can get more gil out of my already overwhelming capital, so that i can get more of the gucci items i need to lvl since the current elitism is making harder and harder for ill-equipped players to find parties."
i'll be instantly shot down even though i highlight the fact that elitism is a point to be discussed. and so is the ethics behind monopolization of items at AH. or that it even happens at all (to the less knowing newbies). while i can see why this rating system seems necessary, i've accepted it but still disagree with the necessity for it.
6) Krem, we are not in cliques. everyone here posts individually. just cos the posts second the same idea does not mean the people are in cahoots. in this case, maybe there is some light in what the various people are saying?
Edited, Wed Mar 2 20:32:47 2005 by Enthuz
1) FFXI is played by numerous adolescents who have not or will not grow up. in context, Krem is right: you CAN expect to be harrassed if you were playing a mithra or any female character. you CANNOT expect teens aged 13-20 (some older, and to be specific, i refer to the male gaming community) to be mature. However, you are NOT EXPECTED to put up with it.
2) how real one wants to make this game is solely decided by that one player, and nobody else. if anyone here is an avid sociology fan, i refer to how Symbolic Interaction is the fundamental concept of how the individual perceives reality.
Krem: it's really not about whether you're right to call it a game in this context, cos as much as it is a game to you, it isn't a game to alethea. you may think some gamers are stupid to attach so much meaning to pixels and text, but it really is their choice. on this note, i'd like to add that you're attaching quite a lot of meaning to text and pixels too. else why'd you get so frustrated with a forum? sounds to me you're committing the very crime you feel alethea shouldn't.
3) alethea is right to call for a GM if she felt uncomfortable with the 'attention'. whether or not the GM does anything is moot, for that is up to the higher authorities to decide. But i'm surprised that the GM did NOT do anything, since unwanted attention of this sort goes against all the violations i can think of in the terms of agreement. but that's another story for another thread.
3) i stand by my belief that it is not up to the players themselves to take matters into their own hands. i'll choose to see alethea's message as a plea to others to persuade Arconis to quit his attentiveness, and nothing more. although my cynic side must agree with Krem that it seems there's more than meets the eye in that one plea.
4) leet and jeryhn are seemingly biased in their argument. possibly from having personal experience with Arconis or Alethea, or both. while i don't begrudge what has been said, i'd like to add that jerhyn is painting a rather bad picture of himself with threats of MPK, among others. maybe it didn't need to go so far? Krem was sticking up for his belief in someone, and that's admirable. all he seemed to say was that alethea seemed to be giving summaries while not reporting actual incidences. in the absence of specific evidence, i feel inclined to believe that maybe alethea should elaborate and give examples if she really felt the need to attain assistance. Stick up for your beliefs in alethea, and respect that the audience is intelligent enough to draw the conclusions.
edit: i owe leet an apology. after re-reading his posts, i realized that he was actually being rather objective with his posts. so in this case, i think i only refer to jerhyn.
5) i never believed in ratings. i still don't. i don't see why people intentional rate others up or down. i feel ratings discourages discussion, cos any idea raised that is non-conforming with the norms will instantly be rated down. just like if i post something like
"i firmly believe that i must buy out items on AH and resell them at higher prices so that i can monopolize any one item. this is the only way i can get more gil out of my already overwhelming capital, so that i can get more of the gucci items i need to lvl since the current elitism is making harder and harder for ill-equipped players to find parties."
i'll be instantly shot down even though i highlight the fact that elitism is a point to be discussed. and so is the ethics behind monopolization of items at AH. or that it even happens at all (to the less knowing newbies). while i can see why this rating system seems necessary, i've accepted it but still disagree with the necessity for it.
6) Krem, we are not in cliques. everyone here posts individually. just cos the posts second the same idea does not mean the people are in cahoots. in this case, maybe there is some light in what the various people are saying?
Edited, Wed Mar 2 20:32:47 2005 by Enthuz
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we are not in cliques. everyone here posts individually. just cos the posts second the same idea does not mean the people are in cahoots. in this case, maybe there is some light in what the various people are saying?
Crazy talk.
Awesome post Enthuz! (^^)b
gahhhhh double post ><.
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Demmit double post! ><
Edited, Tue Mar 1 19:21:58 2005 by Raikuken
Edited, Tue Mar 1 19:21:58 2005 by Raikuken
im so sorry this is totally OOT but i just found this classic
Enthuz wrote:
for some odd reason i thought the choice would have been louis vuitton lol.
Now on topic.
Seriously guys calm down it’s a friggin game. Krem I didn’t expect you to be this weak as well >< I thought you would be higher then this. Who cares if Alethea says Arconis is a bad person because she got harassed by him. I will not pass judgment on this person unless I see him in person or have personal experience with Arconis(and neither should any of you). Honestly I can see where Krem is coming from it is possible that it was not the original Arconis behind those controls, and could have been the original Arconis's younger sibling, or (insert member type here). Granted sexual harassment should never be tolerated under ANY circumstances, I see a loop hole in this statement especially when it applies to final fantasy xi. It's only a videogame that can be turned off with a flick of the switch.
Enthuz wrote:
Quote:
the gucci items i need to lvl since the current elitism is making harder and harder for ill-equipped players to find parties
for some odd reason i thought the choice would have been louis vuitton lol.
Now on topic.
Seriously guys calm down it’s a friggin game. Krem I didn’t expect you to be this weak as well >< I thought you would be higher then this. Who cares if Alethea says Arconis is a bad person because she got harassed by him. I will not pass judgment on this person unless I see him in person or have personal experience with Arconis(and neither should any of you). Honestly I can see where Krem is coming from it is possible that it was not the original Arconis behind those controls, and could have been the original Arconis's younger sibling, or (insert member type here). Granted sexual harassment should never be tolerated under ANY circumstances, I see a loop hole in this statement especially when it applies to final fantasy xi. It's only a videogame that can be turned off with a flick of the switch.
Everybody quits eventually Krem.
Sad to see it is this way, but maybe for the best if you're not gonna enjoy it anymore. Hope you enjoy life, and repeatedly kick its *** for many years to come! XD
Sad to see it is this way, but maybe for the best if you're not gonna enjoy it anymore. Hope you enjoy life, and repeatedly kick its *** for many years to come! XD
Nebz all i can say is if i ever log on again i hope your playing. You would be sorely missed.
um nebz didn't say he was quitting >.> he just said he wasn't gonna post anymore.
I'll see you in game ^^
btw...apparetly not all opinions should be expressed so i keep my mouth/fingers from doing too much or touchy issues. Especially those bashing other ppl, cuz i want no part in that.
I'll see you in game ^^
btw...apparetly not all opinions should be expressed so i keep my mouth/fingers from doing too much or touchy issues. Especially those bashing other ppl, cuz i want no part in that.
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