I bring this topic out because i was called this last night for no reason and a slew of other names such as arrogant RDM, and stupid jerk face all the way down to lewd and very nasty words which are too bad to mention oh and they also said they reported my girlfriend and I to a GM for whatever reason i found that funny cause that is the first time in my GF and I FFXI playing careers that someone has ever called a GM on us.
I will not bring up the person's name nor her party that was involved or will i elaborate the story(I'm avoiding any heat this post may cause). I will say though however that the incident happened in palborough mines, and that I was down there with my GF. We both were helping a friend get his keys to go to khazam.
I dont even consider myself high lvl since im only 62 atm, but i wonder what could have sparked this person to call high lvl people snobs in addition saying that people like us (whatever that meant) ruin the game experience.
Have any of you out there been called a high lvl snob? Or have any idea why people consider high lvl people snobs? Please share you knowledge everyone and discuss thanks!
Edited, Tue Mar 29 16:35:33 2005 by Raikuken
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Not to long ago, maybe a couple weeks, a Blm taru started talking to me about my Blm gear. He was lower lvl than me and had alot of gear questions. After we were done talking I went on about my business in Bastok.
Soon after he sends me a /tell wanting to know what lvl my Whm is. I tell him 40 and he asks will I change jobs and Tele-Vahzl him. I told him I was sorry but my Whm didn't have that teleport. He got so mad at me. He told me I was a snob and no wonder high levels have a bad rep. And that he would never ask for help again. I didn't know what to say. I couldn't teleport him cause I didn't even have the spell.
Soon after he sends me a /tell wanting to know what lvl my Whm is. I tell him 40 and he asks will I change jobs and Tele-Vahzl him. I told him I was sorry but my Whm didn't have that teleport. He got so mad at me. He told me I was a snob and no wonder high levels have a bad rep. And that he would never ask for help again. I didn't know what to say. I couldn't teleport him cause I didn't even have the spell.
What these people should consider is that if they call us such names, or what not. They should think before they speak. I think my GF said it best when one of the people supposedly apologized.
Here is some advice from a "high lvl snob" watch what you say we will remember you, and if anything spread by word of mouth about you. How will this effect you? if you ask for help in anyway WE wont help you and /ignore you.
She meant it in a sarcastic tone, and the person whom she talked to replied. "Is that how it is?" my GF replied sad to say but if you call us names for nothing in return you get nothing.
Here is some advice from a "high lvl snob" watch what you say we will remember you, and if anything spread by word of mouth about you. How will this effect you? if you ask for help in anyway WE wont help you and /ignore you.
She meant it in a sarcastic tone, and the person whom she talked to replied. "Is that how it is?" my GF replied sad to say but if you call us names for nothing in return you get nothing.
it sounds to me like this person was rather new and didn't understand why you were in the mines killing mobs "Too weak to be worthwhile" when he's getting EXP off them... not sure, but that's what it sounds like at least... cause afterall, I remember the first time I was 20-25... lvl 50+ was a "high level" to me...
Also, there have been some individuals (and it's getting more and more worse as time goes on) that believe they're coaching when their text is read out of context and the coachee feels as tho he/she is being told how to play their jobs. Then the: "I'm a lvl 7x (job of coachee), I know what I'm talking about." comes into play and doesn't help add to the situation. Granted the coach tries to explain this as a "Hey! I've been there and done it already... I'm just trying to make it easier on you.", however, the coachee hears it as: "You're dumb, you don't know what you're talking about. You won't know what you're talking about until you're as high a level as me." Considering that, the coach all of a sudden becomes one of these "high level snobs".
I got my taste of one just last week... a lvl 70+ rng that knows how to pull and doesn't need to be told how to do her job... and yada yada yada. Now when I'm in a pt, I don't give a fizznuck if you have 5 lvl 75 jobs... I'll still be speaking freely to keep communication open and avoid any possible mistakes. It's kinda like the old saying: "I'd rather have something and not need it, than I would to need it and not have it." However, everything I said was responded to with such things as: "I know that" or "Yes, I know" or "Duh!" and a variable plethera of such sarcastic or crude shorts... I'm glad said person is confident about themselves, but one person cannot save a PT... and if so... that person should be solo'ing.
Fact is, there's still 4 others that might not know... and for that matter, how am I to know this 70+ rng knows all... In short, the rng was snooty, snobby, demeaning and hypocritical... for a rng that "knows that" and "knows what she's doing", she didn't take MP into consideration for either myself (SMN healing) or the PLD tank. Whereas the PLD asked for 80 MP before pull, player would pull when pld had anywhere from 40-50 mp... Needless to say, this experienced player allowed us to barely get exp chain #2's as we (myself and pld) were never given a chance to fully rest MP except for maybe three occasions... Once out of good will, once due to weakness in the PT and another time while we were waiting for someone to get there from Jeuno.
So, that's the two different types of "high level snobs" I've seen... Personally, I'm the forementioned one... I try to communicate and coach whenever possible, but I also try to make the other person understand I'm only giving tips or advice... not telling them they MUST do it... but I will ask them to try... afterall, they say no and I'm no worse off... they say yes and the PT might be more enjoyable and function better.
Also, there have been some individuals (and it's getting more and more worse as time goes on) that believe they're coaching when their text is read out of context and the coachee feels as tho he/she is being told how to play their jobs. Then the: "I'm a lvl 7x (job of coachee), I know what I'm talking about." comes into play and doesn't help add to the situation. Granted the coach tries to explain this as a "Hey! I've been there and done it already... I'm just trying to make it easier on you.", however, the coachee hears it as: "You're dumb, you don't know what you're talking about. You won't know what you're talking about until you're as high a level as me." Considering that, the coach all of a sudden becomes one of these "high level snobs".
I got my taste of one just last week... a lvl 70+ rng that knows how to pull and doesn't need to be told how to do her job... and yada yada yada. Now when I'm in a pt, I don't give a fizznuck if you have 5 lvl 75 jobs... I'll still be speaking freely to keep communication open and avoid any possible mistakes. It's kinda like the old saying: "I'd rather have something and not need it, than I would to need it and not have it." However, everything I said was responded to with such things as: "I know that" or "Yes, I know" or "Duh!" and a variable plethera of such sarcastic or crude shorts... I'm glad said person is confident about themselves, but one person cannot save a PT... and if so... that person should be solo'ing.
Fact is, there's still 4 others that might not know... and for that matter, how am I to know this 70+ rng knows all... In short, the rng was snooty, snobby, demeaning and hypocritical... for a rng that "knows that" and "knows what she's doing", she didn't take MP into consideration for either myself (SMN healing) or the PLD tank. Whereas the PLD asked for 80 MP before pull, player would pull when pld had anywhere from 40-50 mp... Needless to say, this experienced player allowed us to barely get exp chain #2's as we (myself and pld) were never given a chance to fully rest MP except for maybe three occasions... Once out of good will, once due to weakness in the PT and another time while we were waiting for someone to get there from Jeuno.
So, that's the two different types of "high level snobs" I've seen... Personally, I'm the forementioned one... I try to communicate and coach whenever possible, but I also try to make the other person understand I'm only giving tips or advice... not telling them they MUST do it... but I will ask them to try... afterall, they say no and I'm no worse off... they say yes and the PT might be more enjoyable and function better.
Nymia is cool wouldn't consider her a snob, she D2 me last night out of Delkfutt Tower ^^ I was dreading having to go floor by floor to the lower floor, Btw how did Z-8 end?.
We did very well. And continued on our mission and made it to sky. Where I promptly died. LOL!!
It was a great privilage to meet you last night. Everyone with me agreed you were a great person to come upon and we, tSA, hopes to see you around.
It was a great privilage to meet you last night. Everyone with me agreed you were a great person to come upon and we, tSA, hopes to see you around.
i see your point krem im the first one you mentioned like you i just dont want to see a wasted death from 1hr of exp especially at the higher lvls it hurts to die ><. Well back to the subject I believe her and her party of lvl 23-25 about 5 of them total we were all hunting for the same mobs, and we were all getting about the same amount of mobs kills per pt. What i dont understand is what gave her and her party the right to just straight out call me and my gf snobs...... Odd yes they even got thier keys before us and yet still call us snobs....
just an opinion about why people act this way.
i feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game. that because they are playing the game, the game owes them a living. for example, when some people are camping mobs for XP, they might feel that the XP is their mandated right. with regards to NMs, people complain about people 'stealing' their kill, when in fact it's fair competition (within technical constraints). when people sit around all day and put up their flag, and complain about not ever receiving party invites (again referring only to those who have this mentality), they feel that the invite is owed them for their long hours of sitting around in jeuno.
there really is nothing we can do about this, save to exercise what i believe is everyone's basic right to choose: in this case, we choose to not associate with people who are not like-minded. there is little else a person can do when all their insults and actions just rub off you with no effect (/blist or non).
now, this might be too much a generalization. situations DO differ. however, i don't think i'm too far wrong in saying that a we all do feel that we deserve some recognition for the time commitment on Vanadiel. doesn't mean that just cos we feel it, that we have a right to it though. >.>
i feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game. that because they are playing the game, the game owes them a living. for example, when some people are camping mobs for XP, they might feel that the XP is their mandated right. with regards to NMs, people complain about people 'stealing' their kill, when in fact it's fair competition (within technical constraints). when people sit around all day and put up their flag, and complain about not ever receiving party invites (again referring only to those who have this mentality), they feel that the invite is owed them for their long hours of sitting around in jeuno.
there really is nothing we can do about this, save to exercise what i believe is everyone's basic right to choose: in this case, we choose to not associate with people who are not like-minded. there is little else a person can do when all their insults and actions just rub off you with no effect (/blist or non).
now, this might be too much a generalization. situations DO differ. however, i don't think i'm too far wrong in saying that a we all do feel that we deserve some recognition for the time commitment on Vanadiel. doesn't mean that just cos we feel it, that we have a right to it though. >.>
enthuz i do not mean to insult your post, but it made me laugh when i read this....
So in other words they look at is as a second job? hmmm are they gil sellers too? hehehe... Then i continued down and read the rest, and i was like ohhhhhh i see i see....
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feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game. that because they are playing the game, the game owes them a living.
So in other words they look at is as a second job? hmmm are they gil sellers too? hehehe... Then i continued down and read the rest, and i was like ohhhhhh i see i see....
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enthuz i do not mean to insult your post, but it made me laugh when i read this....
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feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game. that because they are playing the game, the game owes them a living.
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So in other words they look at is as a second job? hmmm are they gil sellers too? hehehe... Then i continued down and read the rest, and i was like ohhhhhh i see i see....
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feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game. that because they are playing the game, the game owes them a living.
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So in other words they look at is as a second job? hmmm are they gil sellers too? hehehe... Then i continued down and read the rest, and i was like ohhhhhh i see i see....
Ermmm... I looked at the statement "feel a lot of players wrongly feel that they own the game." as the same as a jerk driving on the highway... we all know the saying: "You didn't buy the road when you bought the car." or "This guy thinks he owns the road."
Basically same thing... it implies the individual thinks of only themselves in the situation and cannot put themselves in the position of the other(s) being effected. IE: The guy who owns the road will cutoff drivers with no concern to them having to slam on the brakes and risk being rear-ended... or perhaps they maintain current speedily speed until last minute, then they change lanes without signalling. Meanwhile, you're following behind them at the same speed unknowing that the person switched lanes to avoid a parked car 100 ft up... of course, by now it's a lil too late to really do anything but get stuck behind the car or slam into it in general (unless you're just like the guy and do the same thing to the guy behind you).
In short, I was trying to say in my previous post, exactly what Enthuz touched on... they wanted and needed the keys... they see a lvl 50+ person killing the mobs they need for keys and they get in a fluster cause they don't know any better. They assume you have no business killing those mobs and you can go farm off quadavs anywhere other than where the keys drop. Thus you're a snob. Don't think much of it... it's actually rather oxymoronical/hypocritical in a sense... They might not be "snobby" but acting as tho the quadavs are theirs to claim rather than any players that are in the area is rather selfish. I do lol at the fact they called a GM on you... I bet the GM gave them the generic same answer as always: "If the mobs name is white, it is unclaimed and cannot be 'stolen'."
hey krem you know what my answer would have been to the GM if i did get called to jail... I would of told him/her "I swear i was pulling with poison and they have provoke!"
well my opinion on this whole thing. High levels do get a bad rep yes... but then again some of these situations can truly be misunderstandings. I mean a lot of us do help others out constantly when we have time and aren't attending to other matters, yes. others really are pricks and think they "own the game." and wow its funny how many people play this game, only to forget it is infact... a game. But i do admit there are times when people you don't even know ask you for help. Like one time i was getting out of an exp party at like 5:30 am, and some guy i have never even met asks me to do a beadeaux coffer key. I wasn't rude, i just said, "aww i really would help but its 5:30 am and i was gonna go to jeuno and log." Apparently he took it wrongly and got mad about it. Needless to say i helped him out the next day and he felt better, but i believe one can be misunderstood and therefore could be regarded as a "hl snob." lol. sorry just voicing my not so important opinion -.- sorry lol
much love as always cerby :P and hey enthuz :P
=Dez=
much love as always cerby :P and hey enthuz :P
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All the time. I get alot of hate ; ;
btw, Cee is owner ninja ^^/
btw, Cee is owner ninja ^^/
there a lots of lower levels who call ppl high lvl snobs because the high lvl doesn't have time to help them kill ____ NM for _____ quest. Or help them with getting genkai _
I mean do they not have any friends that they can ask? Everyone who is a high lvl didn't always have someone higher lvl'd people to ask for help. Most of the things that they ask for help can be taken care of with a balanced party at their lvl.
Not to long ago, maybe a couple weeks, a Blm taru started talking to me about my Blm gear. He was lower lvl than me and had alot of gear questions. After we were done talking I went on about my business in Bastok.
Soon after he sends me a /tell wanting to know what lvl my Whm is. I tell him 40 and he asks will I change jobs and Tele-Vahzl him. I told him I was sorry but my Whm didn't have that teleport. He got so mad at me. He told me I was a snob and no wonder high levels have a bad rep. And that he would never ask for help again. I didn't know what to say. I couldn't teleport him cause I didn't even have the spell.
Lol whm doesn't know teleport vahzl til 42
I mean do they not have any friends that they can ask? Everyone who is a high lvl didn't always have someone higher lvl'd people to ask for help. Most of the things that they ask for help can be taken care of with a balanced party at their lvl.
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Not to long ago, maybe a couple weeks, a Blm taru started talking to me about my Blm gear. He was lower lvl than me and had alot of gear questions. After we were done talking I went on about my business in Bastok.
Soon after he sends me a /tell wanting to know what lvl my Whm is. I tell him 40 and he asks will I change jobs and Tele-Vahzl him. I told him I was sorry but my Whm didn't have that teleport. He got so mad at me. He told me I was a snob and no wonder high levels have a bad rep. And that he would never ask for help again. I didn't know what to say. I couldn't teleport him cause I didn't even have the spell.
Lol whm doesn't know teleport vahzl til 42
Raikuken Esquire wrote:
I bring this topic out because i was called this last night for no reason and a slew of other names such as arrogant RDM, and stupid jerk face all the way down to lewd and very nasty words which are too bad to mention oh and they also said they reported my girlfriend and I to a GM for whatever reason i found that funny cause that is the first time in my GF and I FFXI playing careers that someone has ever called a GM on us.
I will not bring up the person's name nor her party that was involved or will i elaborate the story(I'm avoiding any heat this post may cause). I will say though however that the incident happened in palborough mines, and that I was down there with my GF. We both were helping a friend get his keys to go to khazam.
I dont even consider myself high lvl since im only 62 atm, but i wonder what could have sparked this person to call high lvl people snobs in addition saying that people like us (whatever that meant) ruin the game experience.
Have any of you out there been called a high lvl snob? Or have any idea why people consider high lvl people snobs? Please share you knowledge everyone and discuss thanks!
Edited, Tue Mar 29 16:35:33 2005 by Raikuken
I will not bring up the person's name nor her party that was involved or will i elaborate the story(I'm avoiding any heat this post may cause). I will say though however that the incident happened in palborough mines, and that I was down there with my GF. We both were helping a friend get his keys to go to khazam.
I dont even consider myself high lvl since im only 62 atm, but i wonder what could have sparked this person to call high lvl people snobs in addition saying that people like us (whatever that meant) ruin the game experience.
Have any of you out there been called a high lvl snob? Or have any idea why people consider high lvl people snobs? Please share you knowledge everyone and discuss thanks!
Edited, Tue Mar 29 16:35:33 2005 by Raikuken
"Heat?"
I waited for this thread.
My anger was justified, you started with one of my LS members. Something about you saying we were 'slow'. If he started with you, this this whole thing can drop, but it sparked a nerve and I was going to do something about it. I was going to finally blow my long dormant fuse.
That is what started that whole ideal. Secondly -no- you were not reported, I told them that wasnt necessary in /p, if that actually happened though I'm sorry. Situation wasnt even remotly drastic enough to need a GM. That is until I blew my top. THEN you should have called EVERY GAME MASTER ASSIGNED TO THE SERVER.
Thirdly, those three who were with me were new to the game, there were three keys I needed to get it seems to me SE gimped the hell out of the drop rate there cause for 5 damn hours no freaking drop and TH was present.
The complete *****you met last night who was me was EXACTLY the same ATTITUDE *alot* of 'HL' players have given me in the past year. You had it coming to you. Hell you couldnt handle your own beat down.
Not even realizing how pissed I was, I caught myself when the bards' attitude changed - asking me how this whole thing started and what you done to me. It was time to leave at that point.
Somethings I like to point out..
My end is drawing close. All I'm doing is helping as many people as I can before I leave, my lvl and power only restricts me to skull hunting and kazham keys. And thats cool, cause many cant seem to get those things, and alot are stuck on rank 2. I see problems in the game that people are blind to. I can careless if I'm blisted off the face of the earth on cerberus. I have many people who understand where I'm coming from and they are just as bitter as me.
Sonjiro was blisted by a guy because he was shouting in Jeuno for help with his AF. WTF?! Speaking of blists, I didnt do that as I said I did. And that is what I meant when I told you I am now speaking against it. No longer will I keep my mouth shut while players go about pissing people off cause 'it makes them feel good'.
I noted your name that night. I was REALLY hoping that was not 'you' on this forum. Considering you had given me words of confidence in a previous thread I made. I am kind to heart and I have an incredibly strong sense of justice. Get on my bad side and will make stories of Necrid, Lordandrew and anyone else seem like a kidnergarden class.
Note my name and spread it, I'll make it easy for you -Elathia - hume female lv50WHM'watch out for her'. Obliverate my reputation which is nil. Hell I am a GOT DAMN shadow in this server. I can walk vana diel and not a single soul will notice I run by. Friendlist? Lmao, 1 guy talks to me and the other two are japanese. Each and every person I add to it, just gets eventually removed for not talking to me, or just using me for my job.
That is the end of this, you'll see me no more in this part of the forum, and we -wont- cross paths in the game ever again, if we do, please just keep right on going about your business and dont say nothing to me.
lol so true lelo. tele v is 42 lmao.
woa. Elathia sound very.. gloomy =S chill out =) this is just a game ^^;
saying high levels do not help is kina... unfair. they do help, i mean, if ur in their ls they usually try to help you. If you are friends with them they do help. If they are free some of them do help. of course there are some "high lvl snobs" out there that all they care about is their hgih lvl stuff and kina forget that they were once at low level, they were once needed help like us lower lvls do ^^;
i had a hard time trying to find help on AF hunt, and i totally understand what you mean but i do know that some do try to help ^^;
but one thing is. As i'm getting a little bit higher and strong enough to participate helping others, i realised something: the same old problem - people do not research on what they are after. I helped someone earlier in the week where they know the name of the place where they need to go, but has no idea how to get there, and once we got there, had no idea where is the spawn point @_@; which really got me annoyed how it seens that he/she is relying on helpers to do everything for them. And afterwards, not even a "thank you". which really makes me not want to help someone that i dunno.
i'm not a high lvl and luckily, i've never been called a high lvl snob ^^;
but. Raikuken i know(and railin for that matter ), if rai = high lvl snob, i'll be ROFL!!!
saying high levels do not help is kina... unfair. they do help, i mean, if ur in their ls they usually try to help you. If you are friends with them they do help. If they are free some of them do help. of course there are some "high lvl snobs" out there that all they care about is their hgih lvl stuff and kina forget that they were once at low level, they were once needed help like us lower lvls do ^^;
i had a hard time trying to find help on AF hunt, and i totally understand what you mean but i do know that some do try to help ^^;
but one thing is. As i'm getting a little bit higher and strong enough to participate helping others, i realised something: the same old problem - people do not research on what they are after. I helped someone earlier in the week where they know the name of the place where they need to go, but has no idea how to get there, and once we got there, had no idea where is the spawn point @_@; which really got me annoyed how it seens that he/she is relying on helpers to do everything for them. And afterwards, not even a "thank you". which really makes me not want to help someone that i dunno.
i'm not a high lvl and luckily, i've never been called a high lvl snob ^^;
but. Raikuken i know(and railin for that matter ), if rai = high lvl snob, i'll be ROFL!!!
Zaleshea wrote:
"Heat?"
I waited for this thread.
My anger was justified, you started with one of my LS members. Something about you saying we were 'slow'. If he started with you, this this whole thing can drop, but it sparked a nerve and I was going to do something about it. I was going to finally blow my long dormant fuse.
That is what started that whole ideal. Secondly -no- you were not reported, I told them that wasnt necessary in /p, if that actually happened though I'm sorry. Situation wasnt even remotly drastic enough to need a GM. That is until I blew my top. THEN you should have called EVERY GAME MASTER ASSIGNED TO THE SERVER.
Thirdly, those three who were with me were new to the game, there were three keys I needed to get it seems to me SE gimped the hell out of the drop rate there cause for 5 damn hours no freaking drop and TH was present.
The complete *****you met last night who was me was EXACTLY the same ATTITUDE *alot* of 'HL' players have given me in the past year. You had it coming to you. Hell you couldnt handle your own beat down.
Not even realizing how pissed I was, I caught myself when the bards' attitude changed - asking me how this whole thing started and what you done to me. It was time to leave at that point.
Somethings I like to point out..
My end is drawing close. All I'm doing is helping as many people as I can before I leave, my lvl and power only restricts me to skull hunting and kazham keys. And thats cool, cause many cant seem to get those things, and alot are stuck on rank 2. I see problems in the game that people are blind to. I can careless if I'm blisted off the face of the earth on cerberus. I have many people who understand where I'm coming from and they are just as bitter as me.
Sonjiro was blisted by a guy because he was shouting in Jeuno for help with his AF. WTF?! Speaking of blists, I didnt do that as I said I did. And that is what I meant when I told you I am now speaking against it. No longer will I keep my mouth shut while players go about pissing people off cause 'it makes them feel good'.
I noted your name that night. I was REALLY hoping that was not 'you' on this forum. Considering you had given me words of confidence in a previous thread I made. I am kind to heart and I have an incredibly strong sense of justice. Get on my bad side and will make stories of Necrid, Lordandrew and anyone else seem like a kidnergarden class.
Note my name and spread it, I'll make it easy for you -Elathia - hume female lv50WHM'watch out for her'. Obliverate my reputation which is nil. Hell I am a GOT DAMN shadow in this server. I can walk vana diel and not a single soul will notice I run by. Friendlist? Lmao, 1 guy talks to me and the other two are japanese. Each and every person I add to it, just gets eventually removed for not talking to me, or just using me for my job.
That is the end of this, you'll see me no more in this part of the forum, and we -wont- cross paths in the game ever again, if we do, please just keep right on going about your business and dont say nothing to me.
I waited for this thread.
My anger was justified, you started with one of my LS members. Something about you saying we were 'slow'. If he started with you, this this whole thing can drop, but it sparked a nerve and I was going to do something about it. I was going to finally blow my long dormant fuse.
That is what started that whole ideal. Secondly -no- you were not reported, I told them that wasnt necessary in /p, if that actually happened though I'm sorry. Situation wasnt even remotly drastic enough to need a GM. That is until I blew my top. THEN you should have called EVERY GAME MASTER ASSIGNED TO THE SERVER.
Thirdly, those three who were with me were new to the game, there were three keys I needed to get it seems to me SE gimped the hell out of the drop rate there cause for 5 damn hours no freaking drop and TH was present.
The complete *****you met last night who was me was EXACTLY the same ATTITUDE *alot* of 'HL' players have given me in the past year. You had it coming to you. Hell you couldnt handle your own beat down.
Not even realizing how pissed I was, I caught myself when the bards' attitude changed - asking me how this whole thing started and what you done to me. It was time to leave at that point.
Somethings I like to point out..
My end is drawing close. All I'm doing is helping as many people as I can before I leave, my lvl and power only restricts me to skull hunting and kazham keys. And thats cool, cause many cant seem to get those things, and alot are stuck on rank 2. I see problems in the game that people are blind to. I can careless if I'm blisted off the face of the earth on cerberus. I have many people who understand where I'm coming from and they are just as bitter as me.
Sonjiro was blisted by a guy because he was shouting in Jeuno for help with his AF. WTF?! Speaking of blists, I didnt do that as I said I did. And that is what I meant when I told you I am now speaking against it. No longer will I keep my mouth shut while players go about pissing people off cause 'it makes them feel good'.
I noted your name that night. I was REALLY hoping that was not 'you' on this forum. Considering you had given me words of confidence in a previous thread I made. I am kind to heart and I have an incredibly strong sense of justice. Get on my bad side and will make stories of Necrid, Lordandrew and anyone else seem like a kidnergarden class.
Note my name and spread it, I'll make it easy for you -Elathia - hume female lv50WHM'watch out for her'. Obliverate my reputation which is nil. Hell I am a GOT DAMN shadow in this server. I can walk vana diel and not a single soul will notice I run by. Friendlist? Lmao, 1 guy talks to me and the other two are japanese. Each and every person I add to it, just gets eventually removed for not talking to me, or just using me for my job.
That is the end of this, you'll see me no more in this part of the forum, and we -wont- cross paths in the game ever again, if we do, please just keep right on going about your business and dont say nothing to me.
oh.
... well, not knowing the whole deal, i think i'll refrain from saying much. but knowing elathia's character, it must be something rather big for her to be this enraged.
then again, i recall she's also a little too extreme at times. >.>
didn't know you were thinking of quiting the game *again*. hit me up some time before you leave, ya?
I'm not entirely surprised by Elathia's post there. She jumped to conclusions about my own motives(assuming I was pissed at her for some unknown reason) over in the whm forums in a "whm/blm or whm/smn?" thread when I gave a detailed listing of everything /blm gives to a whm, including what's useless(and stating why it's useless, at least in my opinion). She assumed I was a /blm hater.
As for whether or not she was at all justified for her actions in-game, I dunno.
However, I can say that there are a lot of "high level snobs" out there and a lot of them seem to be rank 5. >_> (though some are higher).
Now, obviously different people have differing opinions on what's "high level," but I personally think the term "high level snob" can apply to anyone who thinks they're superior purely because they have a job that's a good deal higher than the level of the person they're being a snob to.
One such experience I've had was a guy in Yuhtunga who left my party before the first fight because no one was higher than rank 3 except for him who was rank 5+(I forget his exact rank). I replaced him and we had a very good party that raked in a lot of exp. After a little while, he /telled me to gloat about getting into a party where everyone was rank 5 or higher. Admittedly, I was happy to see him die several times in that party.
Now, I can sorta understand, if you're the party leader, choosing someone who is higher rank over a lower rank person of the same job/party-position; but joining a party then deciding it sucked(before even fighting a mob) and leaving just because everyone was below rank 3?
THe only time I, personally, have been called anything akin to a 'high level snob' was by the ls(BlueRequiem) I just got kicked out of. I was the second or third highest member(highest was 67 pld friend I brought to the ls, and there was a thf who was same level last I saw, but dunno if he passed me up). Most of the ls was lv41 or lower, with 3 or 4 others around lv50.
I'm one of those who plans to level every job to lv75 eventually and wants to be the best she can be at each job. I've read up on most of the details about each job and studied how they work in a party and how the general game mechanics work. I'm also good at retaining knowledge and so I either remember most of it or know exactly where to look(plus I have 2 PCs so I can look stuff up while I'm in-game).
On top of that, I love to help people. If someone has a question and I know the answer or can find the answer, I'll give them answer. I have been known to babble on occasion and give more information than they really need or wanted, but I'm trying to just be helpful.
I'll also help any of my friends(and occasionally random people) with things like getting kazham keys, coffer keys, subjob quest items, other quest items, etc. As a whm, there's not as much I can do as some jobs, but I do what I can. (a few days ago, I helped a friend kill the bomb and tree for sam quest and with the help of a lv50 paladin friend of mine who was on and bored at the time, managed to help him get nin too)
Now, I fully admit that at times I get a bit impatient with lower levelled/less experienced people and that can often cause misunderstandings which lead to arguments and both people getting a bit pissed. (Especially when a lv40 warrior tries to tell me, a lv52 whm at the time, what I can or cannot solo. -_- (and his whm is like still pre-10))
And my freely offering any help I can give got taken by the ls as "showing off." Apparently knowing a lot about the game and being willing to share it freely makes one a "know-it-all" and "arrogant." And a tendency towards a bit of impatience is apparently a "volitile nature." (the only person I ever really had any sort of major arguments with in the ls was this "retired" lv50 rdm who was a major snob(when I offered to help my aforementioned friend with nin quest, but said we might need one more person to help, the "retired" rdm(who's been leveling a new rdm char, same race as the old o.O) decided she'd just solo it for my friend. He refused, since I'd already agreed a few hours earlier to help him when my static got done leveling for the day. Also, this rdm constantly whines and complains about how no one ever helps her with anything and how she has to solo everything she needs(i.e., kazham keys, RSE quest, G1) yet instantly refuses help if anyone offers to help her; and also complains because "everyone's always asking her for help, but always refuse to help her."))
Then again, the ls has a strange leader. I helped my lv50 blm friend(was also in the ls) get his G1 items and starseeds for one of the AF quests. The ls leader accused my blm friend of "using" my "higher level" to advance him in the game, as if a 54 whm is capable of soloing EM-T mobs that easily link and a Water Elemental in Crawler's Nest. What I actually did was use my own resources(friendship with people who aren't from the ls) to coordinate an effort to get my friend those items so he wouldn't have to rely on random G1 parties(which seem to be rare lately) that often suck and don't get anything for anyone. (he'd already been in one that got him killed almost as soon as they entered Eldieme.) Another lv50 blm in the ls has spent at least 2 weeks at lv50 because he can't even find a G1 party. (Only reason I hadn't helped him get his items yet is because he's never on when my friends who could help are on and I just couldn't get anything coordinated.) (This ls leader is the same person who tried to tell me what a lv52 whm could solo when his highest job is lv41 and his whm is pre-10. -_-; )
As for whether or not she was at all justified for her actions in-game, I dunno.
However, I can say that there are a lot of "high level snobs" out there and a lot of them seem to be rank 5. >_> (though some are higher).
Now, obviously different people have differing opinions on what's "high level," but I personally think the term "high level snob" can apply to anyone who thinks they're superior purely because they have a job that's a good deal higher than the level of the person they're being a snob to.
One such experience I've had was a guy in Yuhtunga who left my party before the first fight because no one was higher than rank 3 except for him who was rank 5+(I forget his exact rank). I replaced him and we had a very good party that raked in a lot of exp. After a little while, he /telled me to gloat about getting into a party where everyone was rank 5 or higher. Admittedly, I was happy to see him die several times in that party.
Now, I can sorta understand, if you're the party leader, choosing someone who is higher rank over a lower rank person of the same job/party-position; but joining a party then deciding it sucked(before even fighting a mob) and leaving just because everyone was below rank 3?
THe only time I, personally, have been called anything akin to a 'high level snob' was by the ls(BlueRequiem) I just got kicked out of. I was the second or third highest member(highest was 67 pld friend I brought to the ls, and there was a thf who was same level last I saw, but dunno if he passed me up). Most of the ls was lv41 or lower, with 3 or 4 others around lv50.
I'm one of those who plans to level every job to lv75 eventually and wants to be the best she can be at each job. I've read up on most of the details about each job and studied how they work in a party and how the general game mechanics work. I'm also good at retaining knowledge and so I either remember most of it or know exactly where to look(plus I have 2 PCs so I can look stuff up while I'm in-game).
On top of that, I love to help people. If someone has a question and I know the answer or can find the answer, I'll give them answer. I have been known to babble on occasion and give more information than they really need or wanted, but I'm trying to just be helpful.
I'll also help any of my friends(and occasionally random people) with things like getting kazham keys, coffer keys, subjob quest items, other quest items, etc. As a whm, there's not as much I can do as some jobs, but I do what I can. (a few days ago, I helped a friend kill the bomb and tree for sam quest and with the help of a lv50 paladin friend of mine who was on and bored at the time, managed to help him get nin too)
Now, I fully admit that at times I get a bit impatient with lower levelled/less experienced people and that can often cause misunderstandings which lead to arguments and both people getting a bit pissed. (Especially when a lv40 warrior tries to tell me, a lv52 whm at the time, what I can or cannot solo. -_- (and his whm is like still pre-10))
And my freely offering any help I can give got taken by the ls as "showing off." Apparently knowing a lot about the game and being willing to share it freely makes one a "know-it-all" and "arrogant." And a tendency towards a bit of impatience is apparently a "volitile nature." (the only person I ever really had any sort of major arguments with in the ls was this "retired" lv50 rdm who was a major snob(when I offered to help my aforementioned friend with nin quest, but said we might need one more person to help, the "retired" rdm(who's been leveling a new rdm char, same race as the old o.O) decided she'd just solo it for my friend. He refused, since I'd already agreed a few hours earlier to help him when my static got done leveling for the day. Also, this rdm constantly whines and complains about how no one ever helps her with anything and how she has to solo everything she needs(i.e., kazham keys, RSE quest, G1) yet instantly refuses help if anyone offers to help her; and also complains because "everyone's always asking her for help, but always refuse to help her."))
Then again, the ls has a strange leader. I helped my lv50 blm friend(was also in the ls) get his G1 items and starseeds for one of the AF quests. The ls leader accused my blm friend of "using" my "higher level" to advance him in the game, as if a 54 whm is capable of soloing EM-T mobs that easily link and a Water Elemental in Crawler's Nest. What I actually did was use my own resources(friendship with people who aren't from the ls) to coordinate an effort to get my friend those items so he wouldn't have to rely on random G1 parties(which seem to be rare lately) that often suck and don't get anything for anyone. (he'd already been in one that got him killed almost as soon as they entered Eldieme.) Another lv50 blm in the ls has spent at least 2 weeks at lv50 because he can't even find a G1 party. (Only reason I hadn't helped him get his items yet is because he's never on when my friends who could help are on and I just couldn't get anything coordinated.) (This ls leader is the same person who tried to tell me what a lv52 whm could solo when his highest job is lv41 and his whm is pre-10. -_-; )
NinjaKitten wrote:
I'm not entirely surprised by Elathia's post there. She jumped to conclusions about my own motives(assuming I was pissed at her for some unknown reason) over in the whm forums in a "whm/blm or whm/smn?" thread when I gave a detailed listing of everything /blm gives to a whm, including what's useless(and stating why it's useless, at least in my opinion). She assumed I was a /blm hater.
lol, that's why i said she's a bit extreme sometimes. :) but that gal's got *****. ^^ and she's rather good at what she does, from what extended discussion i've had with her. a little set in her ways once she's decided on something, but i'm sure it's just too many hours in jeuno sitting around and doing little.
I'm a high lvl snob
/bow
so is bani muhahahhaha
/bow
so is bani muhahahhaha
Never had a problem with El before... but in all honesty... Why'd she have to spout off in retalliation? She was never attacked, her name was never mentioned... she took it upon her own free will to point out it was her that included in the other group. Her name, fame and credibility was never compromised... at least not until she did it herself. /sigh (all this over some stoopid Kazham keys... or a matter of impatience... or both)
wow... i actually do understand what elathias going thru at the moment... there was a time in my rdm career that a similar feeling happened to me. except i actually started a thread about it, and made it as a request of opinions on what kind of attitudes people see out of HL's. the main reason for my pain during that time was the fact i spent 2 months helping people with AF, and exp'ing during that time, and when it came time for me to ask for help... well, 1/200+ people returned the favor. I was a tad pissed. I hope that she can learn that sometimes things just don't turn out for you, but eventually they do turn around. lv50-60 are the hardest for everyone their first time throught it because of all the work you have to do for your AF, and you start getting picky on your choices for gear. (mages 'need' AF, and melee's 'need' haub, etc. )
Zaleshea wrote:
This is what i wanted to avoid. Out of RESPECT i didnt mention your name nor your party in the forum, out of RESPECT when that situation happened i never said any lewd or nasty languages to you or your party out of RESPECT when one of your members said they had thier keys and was just there for moral support i congratulated him with a good job and even mentioned that khazam is a new hell hole. You wanna know how it started? It started with a /slap from your party member. Which lead me to say "hey its not my fault you are slow" but did my kill justify your pt member to slap me? When we where all pulling and killing about the same percentage of mobs, and you stating that you all had your keys already?
Zaleshea wrote:
I dont remember a beat down all i remember was a lot of people being hot headed and swearing while i just chilled and let said person express thier anger, and opinions. I figured you guys where down there for a long time because right when you all where about to leave, BAM all the exclusive heated words came out...Even when i said none. Oh btw remember this
Elathia: I dont know why RDMs have to make enemies with WHMs
Raikuken: Eh?
Elathia: It's High lvl people like you that ruin the in game experience thinking you are all elite.
and this?
Raikuken: You know after we are done we would of helped you look for the keys.
Elathia: We dont need your help! from high lvl snobs like you.
Raikuken: now who is acting elitest lol...
Elathia: Arrogant RDM
Now let me elaborate.
You initiated the conversation you stated at first why rdms have to make enemies of whms. I was confused cause i really didnt know what i did to get a remark like that. Then it went all down hill from there...In other words YOU attacked ME first.
In short you want an apology for actions that i didnt start? sure i apologize. in no way did i mean to get you or your party mad over some quadav and stupid khazam keys. In no way did i mean to come off as a high lvl snob (even though i still think im not high lvl)
/em hands Zaleshea a
I'd give waffles, but they dont have any available like the cookie ^_^
One more thing i forgot to mention
You also mentioned something about you only having friends in your ls. Truly i felt bad for you hence i put {That's to bad}
Honestly its nice to have friends in your ls, but in your time in vanadiel it's always nice to make new friends outside of your LS as well.
Edited, Wed Mar 30 15:13:06 2005 by Raikuken
Quote:
If he started with you, this this whole thing can drop
This is what i wanted to avoid. Out of RESPECT i didnt mention your name nor your party in the forum, out of RESPECT when that situation happened i never said any lewd or nasty languages to you or your party out of RESPECT when one of your members said they had thier keys and was just there for moral support i congratulated him with a good job and even mentioned that khazam is a new hell hole. You wanna know how it started? It started with a /slap from your party member. Which lead me to say "hey its not my fault you are slow" but did my kill justify your pt member to slap me? When we where all pulling and killing about the same percentage of mobs, and you stating that you all had your keys already?
Zaleshea wrote:
Quote:
You had it coming to you. Hell you couldnt handle your own beat down.
I dont remember a beat down all i remember was a lot of people being hot headed and swearing while i just chilled and let said person express thier anger, and opinions. I figured you guys where down there for a long time because right when you all where about to leave, BAM all the exclusive heated words came out...Even when i said none. Oh btw remember this
Elathia: I dont know why RDMs have to make enemies with WHMs
Raikuken: Eh?
Elathia: It's High lvl people like you that ruin the in game experience thinking you are all elite.
and this?
Raikuken: You know after we are done we would of helped you look for the keys.
Elathia: We dont need your help! from high lvl snobs like you.
Raikuken: now who is acting elitest lol...
Elathia: Arrogant RDM
Now let me elaborate.
You initiated the conversation you stated at first why rdms have to make enemies of whms. I was confused cause i really didnt know what i did to get a remark like that. Then it went all down hill from there...In other words YOU attacked ME first.
In short you want an apology for actions that i didnt start? sure i apologize. in no way did i mean to get you or your party mad over some quadav and stupid khazam keys. In no way did i mean to come off as a high lvl snob (even though i still think im not high lvl)
/em hands Zaleshea a
I'd give waffles, but they dont have any available like the cookie ^_^
One more thing i forgot to mention
You also mentioned something about you only having friends in your ls. Truly i felt bad for you hence i put {That's to bad}
Honestly its nice to have friends in your ls, but in your time in vanadiel it's always nice to make new friends outside of your LS as well.
Edited, Wed Mar 30 15:13:06 2005 by Raikuken
Five more levels and I can be a high level snob..That means no more helping random strangers with G1. =(
anyone else get a craving for pancakes? I know i know, waffles seem to reign supreme here. But those ihop commercials are starting to get to me><. So next time you get bored of waffles, dont forget how good pancakes are too.
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