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Only problem with this would then be the monsters that drop this item will camped constantly.
Then there is the the time for the next ??? to pop, even then each person in the alliance could easily have the item needed to pop it, so the entire LS could be in there for the whole day.
Then there is the the time for the next ??? to pop, even then each person in the alliance could easily have the item needed to pop it, so the entire LS could be in there for the whole day.
Because online petitions always work.
corrdy , you better sign that thing, when you want your M.abj body and start caping these you will see why you need to sign it. so go now. do think go go go sign it now. go .
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Only problem with this would then be the monsters that drop this item will camped constantly.
Then there is the the time for the next ??? to pop, even then each person in the alliance could easily have the item needed to pop it, so the entire LS could be in there for the whole day.
Then there is the the time for the next ??? to pop, even then each person in the alliance could easily have the item needed to pop it, so the entire LS could be in there for the whole day.
Have you done sky events? This is a great idea imo. It would work great. Kirin, Genbu, Suzaku, Seiryu, Byakko can all be popped multiple times within a short amount of time. The ??? repops soon after the mob is defeated.
The pop mobs are general mobs that would normally be killed anyways like Aura Pots for the water to pop OG. I don't see any issue with it.
Even though this has no impact on me at all at current time, I signed it because it may at sometime. I have no desire at current time to join a drama club, errrr.... I mean HNMLS, who knows what the future may hold. Anyway, it has my electronic signature for whatever it's worth, good luck to you all.
Dahlgren.
Dahlgren.
Hmm Great...more mobs for WW to bot >.>
LOL Bani, why would you bot "exp" mobs >.>
It would be funny if this happened w/o their knowledge, or whoevers knowledge that hacks the .dat files to removed the darters in Dragon's Aery LOL.
The only issue would be the dishonesty of people for stealing a mob when a LS pops it. I have yet to see that happen, but it wouldn't suprise me if it did.
It would be funny if this happened w/o their knowledge, or whoevers knowledge that hacks the .dat files to removed the darters in Dragon's Aery LOL.
The only issue would be the dishonesty of people for stealing a mob when a LS pops it. I have yet to see that happen, but it wouldn't suprise me if it did.
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Hmm Great...more mobs for WW to bot >.>
Bani, the petition would stop the botting and basically make the three king HNM on the ground similar to gods in Sky. (need items to pop them etc) So less mobs for WW to bot. =P
I am smelling drama between certain LSs here....... Let's leave this place peaceful. /point KI forums
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corrdy , you better sign that thing, when you want your M.abj body and start caping these you will see why you need to sign it. so go now. do think go go go sign it now. go .
Why would I need the ultimate gear for? People tanked fine without it before, why would it make a difference for me?
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Have you done sky events? This is a great idea imo. It would work great. Kirin, Genbu, Suzaku, Seiryu, Byakko can all be popped multiple times within a short amount of time. The ??? repops soon after the mob is defeated.
No, but I read about them, when the NM golem that drops one of the seals is about to pop, it's HNM Hunters VS EXP PTs, so the same thing would happen for other mobs.
Just remember, it's a game, camping 3 hours for a mob to pop and loosing it, yeah it does suck, but no reason for people to start flame wars between people/linkshells
well corrdy if you dont like it dont sign it, who gives a **** . its a good idea dont bash it if ya dont know wtf is going on. so negative geeesh. I want a full koenig but there is no point in if people have removed .dat files for darters or bot the damn thing. I think the force pop on the ground gods is a great idea and would maybe relive some tension between the thing, ill sign it.
Edited, Thu Apr 14 00:49:28 2005 by algarofcerebus
Edited, Thu Apr 14 00:49:28 2005 by algarofcerebus
I'm not trying to bash it, this won't help with the Monopolization issue, since it's a force spawn, 2 or more people could have a bot to automaticly trade the item after the ??? repops, and since HNMs can take up to 2.5 hours, the same LS could pretty much live in there for the day, and come back the day after to do it again.
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You need to petition SE to change the drop rate on Abjuration. on Cerberus, Fafnir is botted. KB and all of em are. Everybody knows this. Well on cerberus at least.
Anyways, Why is Fafnir and all those HNMs notted. The Drop rates on Fafnir are HORRIBLE!!!
or so i'm told at least 1/16 Nighogg's drop the Martial Abjuration. PLD. I trust demetrios when he says this.
Pettion SE to change the drop rates, and i can garauntee that people won't want to come out to Fafnir 365 days a year, just to bot it.
We have an infamous botter, who can voke it before it even appears -_- on our server. He wants the M Abjuration that bad. But GM's don't care. It's okay though cuz we pay either way to go to do things other then wait for an HNM to pop.
Personally they should make fafnir, like tiamatm Vrtra, and Jourmongod, somebody suggest good idea. Then you can't do the 30 minutes, window by 3 hour wait :D
anyways just my thoughts, i didn't sign the petition.
Anyways, Why is Fafnir and all those HNMs notted. The Drop rates on Fafnir are HORRIBLE!!!
or so i'm told at least 1/16 Nighogg's drop the Martial Abjuration. PLD. I trust demetrios when he says this.
Pettion SE to change the drop rates, and i can garauntee that people won't want to come out to Fafnir 365 days a year, just to bot it.
We have an infamous botter, who can voke it before it even appears -_- on our server. He wants the M Abjuration that bad. But GM's don't care. It's okay though cuz we pay either way to go to do things other then wait for an HNM to pop.
Personally they should make fafnir, like tiamatm Vrtra, and Jourmongod, somebody suggest good idea. Then you can't do the 30 minutes, window by 3 hour wait :D
anyways just my thoughts, i didn't sign the petition.
Sometimes it is hard to proof if someone is really botting. It has been known before mobs can be claimed sometimes before poping in screen or changing color in the screen (when someone loss aggro) without the use of bots due to a various of lag issues with graphics card or internet lag.
I don't mean people do not bot... there are some really infamous suspected botters (so is gil sellers). But if no 100% proof of break of TOS, action cannot be taken -- this is the spirit of the Rule of Law. And rules are not neccessary complete and fair all the time -- there are gap holes etc.
If someone is so obessed with a certain item that he/she will bot for it... I pity for him/her. Too much one desire, the more stress one should have (people will flame me for this). May be I just have a different mind set.
I don't mean people do not bot... there are some really infamous suspected botters (so is gil sellers). But if no 100% proof of break of TOS, action cannot be taken -- this is the spirit of the Rule of Law. And rules are not neccessary complete and fair all the time -- there are gap holes etc.
If someone is so obessed with a certain item that he/she will bot for it... I pity for him/her. Too much one desire, the more stress one should have (people will flame me for this). May be I just have a different mind set.
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Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
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not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
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I've read all about the dramas with KB, Fafnir, etc, so i think the petition to make these HNMs popables as the gods is quite a good idea, so though i'm not near to HNM fights yet, i signed the petition in hopes to see a fix on all this matter.
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I'm not trying to bash it, this won't help with the Monopolization issue, since it's a force spawn, 2 or more people could have a bot to automaticly trade the item after the ??? repops, and since HNMs can take up to 2.5 hours, the same LS could pretty much live in there for the day, and come back the day after to do it again.
First off >.> if you've never done sky stfu cause you dont know wtf your talking about. The mobs that drop **** to pop gods, aren't "generally" fought by exp PT's, there are some that you can I guess. However most of them needs a few more people, so that a mute point ^^
Oh, and since Gods and Kirin drop coveted items, why aren't they "botted" to trade when the ??? comes up? Oh yeah, because its popable, and you dont have to fight for it. If you dont have to fight for it, then there is less stress, less problems. So please, if you dont know how it works, dont say anything.
I think most Tu'Lia (JP or NA or whatever) LSs tend to work out a schedule to avoid running into each other as much as possible.
I myself avoid Sky most of the time unless it is for skill up or exp pt. Sky is like Drama-Land, and takes too much time for a person who has a RL job and prefer more socialing and be more laid back when not at work.
I myself avoid Sky most of the time unless it is for skill up or exp pt. Sky is like Drama-Land, and takes too much time for a person who has a RL job and prefer more socialing and be more laid back when not at work.
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- George Sand
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not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
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Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I've read the petition and some of the suggestions it makes are to have certain mobs drop pop items for Fafnir. Now I dono how many of you are really familiar with Fafnir but it's probably the most desired HNM on the server to fight. Dont think for a second that an LS wouldn't try to monopolize those pop items as well, its pretty easy to do. Further more if it were a sky type NM you can bet your *** that it would be monopolized by bots 24/7. Further more, I'm not sure if any of you have actually fought Fafnir but it can be a long fight for some LS' I've seen some Linkshells take 2-3 hours just for a fafnir fight, let alone nidhogg. Although it would all be nice and stuff, I just dont think it would work out. Too many people want/need stuff from this mob and it just wouldn't be as easy as a sky type solution.
This is from the point of view of a newbie, if you find that I'm wrong to state these facts, feel free to correct me.
What it should really be included in this petition is to make most of the items in this game in general (leaping boots, emperor hairpin, e.bow, peacock charm etc)rare/ex, as per not having any monetary value people would lose the interest to camp it or bot it, or put a gil cap limit on these items either on AH, Bazaar or Trade to the likes of 500k for example. I can't tell much about God's or Sky's drops since I'm still a Low lvl noob and don't have the access to go see for myself and because of that I haven't researched about either.
It might truly suxxs to be camping one of these mobs for hours and then losing the claim to having to wait another 24 hrs to try your hand at it again, I believe it will be great to just go to these areas trade xxx item to the ???, fight the mob and hopefully get the rare/ex drop, rinse and repeat for the next person that needs it.
But I'd truly appreciate that when the time comes for me to go to these areas, for me to have a better time getting those items, after all I want to enjoy this game as possible and not be pissed about not being able to have the same gear that xxx player has. is already stressing enough for a lot of folks out there to get to lvl.70 (can't get a party, oh no we looking for a DD, gotta go something came up, thanks for the offer but I'll pass etc) just to mention a few, after all not everyone is lucky enough to be all day lfp or have 10-100 mil sitting on them or their mogs to get whatever gear they desired.
Edited, Thu Apr 14 12:15:01 2005 by RVASQ
What it should really be included in this petition is to make most of the items in this game in general (leaping boots, emperor hairpin, e.bow, peacock charm etc)rare/ex, as per not having any monetary value people would lose the interest to camp it or bot it, or put a gil cap limit on these items either on AH, Bazaar or Trade to the likes of 500k for example. I can't tell much about God's or Sky's drops since I'm still a Low lvl noob and don't have the access to go see for myself and because of that I haven't researched about either.
It might truly suxxs to be camping one of these mobs for hours and then losing the claim to having to wait another 24 hrs to try your hand at it again, I believe it will be great to just go to these areas trade xxx item to the ???, fight the mob and hopefully get the rare/ex drop, rinse and repeat for the next person that needs it.
But I'd truly appreciate that when the time comes for me to go to these areas, for me to have a better time getting those items, after all I want to enjoy this game as possible and not be pissed about not being able to have the same gear that xxx player has. is already stressing enough for a lot of folks out there to get to lvl.70 (can't get a party, oh no we looking for a DD, gotta go something came up, thanks for the offer but I'll pass etc) just to mention a few, after all not everyone is lucky enough to be all day lfp or have 10-100 mil sitting on them or their mogs to get whatever gear they desired.
Edited, Thu Apr 14 12:15:01 2005 by RVASQ
Double Post.
Edited, Thu Apr 14 12:10:18 2005 by RVASQ
Edited, Thu Apr 14 12:10:18 2005 by RVASQ
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First off >.> if you've never done sky stfu cause you dont know wtf your talking about. The mobs that drop sh*t to pop gods, aren't "generally" fought by exp PT's, there are some that you can I guess. However most of them needs a few more people, so that a mute point ^^
Okay, so just because I haven't done something, I don't know what I'm talking about? Let's use Ullikummi as an example, people EXP off his place holders don't they? And what happens when it's close to pop time, HNM LS come in and will kill the golems people EXP off of. And I don't think there are enough mobs people don't camp to make this work, all I can think of are the Opo-opo's in Rancor
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Oh, and since Gods and Kirin drop coveted items, why aren't they "botted" to trade when the ??? comes up? Oh yeah, because its popable, and you dont have to fight for it. If you dont have to fight for it, then there is less stress, less problems. So please, if you dont know how it works, dont say anything
Because, with how the OPs petiton sounded, it won't take long for the ??? to spawn again, so more than one HNM LS could come in, and then the war to trade the item to the ??? begins, people start to get annoyed they loose, people make bots to trade to the ???, or people will get upset to loosing the NM that will drop the item and make a bot for that.
Edited, Thu Apr 14 16:12:31 2005 by Corrderio
corrdy,
what you dont seem to understand is that even though yes it could be botted, the ??? that is. These LS that do bot/hack .dat files
to get claim on these mobs are still reasonable people. They would stop for just a little while another LS goes . But when a LS has a way to claim a mob that pops once a day or once a week , their is no way they gonna give it up once. hell I wouldnt either.
But with the mob beeing a force pop similar to genbu,byakko,etc....
there would definatly be a chance for LS/people that choose not to hack/bot to fight it.because if that was the case someone would be botting kirin right now. and their not.Hell even rival LS cheer one another on at kirin because they know they can fight it when ever. also you cant hold a ??? and change the time zone it pops in. that way people that do work and do other things at the pop window time can now join in on it
As it stands now, unless you hack/bot you just don't go at all. unless the server happens to crash while their fighting it and your LS gets back on faster there is no reason to go.
and in all honesty that sucks **** waffles. so man , honestly , you
really don't know whats up and and should not voice such a strong opinion against something you dont know a damn thing about. as far as ulli goes you make it sound like anyone that exps there is gonna be raided by a JP botting LS thats gonna steal all the mobs
and run them off. and that just isnt the case. Ive exped there for hours. killed ulli, exp some more and really never stopped.
Ive also had a LS show up while exping there. an agree ment be made and when ulli pops they kill. Ive seen LS buy the pop items from exp pts and no big problems either.
But as the way it stands it pretty much sucks unless you bend the system a little.
what you dont seem to understand is that even though yes it could be botted, the ??? that is. These LS that do bot/hack .dat files
to get claim on these mobs are still reasonable people. They would stop for just a little while another LS goes . But when a LS has a way to claim a mob that pops once a day or once a week , their is no way they gonna give it up once. hell I wouldnt either.
But with the mob beeing a force pop similar to genbu,byakko,etc....
there would definatly be a chance for LS/people that choose not to hack/bot to fight it.because if that was the case someone would be botting kirin right now. and their not.Hell even rival LS cheer one another on at kirin because they know they can fight it when ever. also you cant hold a ??? and change the time zone it pops in. that way people that do work and do other things at the pop window time can now join in on it
As it stands now, unless you hack/bot you just don't go at all. unless the server happens to crash while their fighting it and your LS gets back on faster there is no reason to go.
and in all honesty that sucks **** waffles. so man , honestly , you
really don't know whats up and and should not voice such a strong opinion against something you dont know a damn thing about. as far as ulli goes you make it sound like anyone that exps there is gonna be raided by a JP botting LS thats gonna steal all the mobs
and run them off. and that just isnt the case. Ive exped there for hours. killed ulli, exp some more and really never stopped.
Ive also had a LS show up while exping there. an agree ment be made and when ulli pops they kill. Ive seen LS buy the pop items from exp pts and no big problems either.
But as the way it stands it pretty much sucks unless you bend the system a little.
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It might truly suxxs to be camping one of these mobs for hours and then losing the claim to having to wait another 24 hrs to try your hand at it again, I believe it will be great to just go to these areas trade xxx item to the ???, fight the mob and hopefully get the rare/ex drop, rinse and repeat for the next person that needs it.
Boy, would I enjoy that for camping Morbolger and the completion of my Fistful of Fury quest.
/em signs the petition.
/em sits and twiddels his thumbs and waits for SE to administer these changes.
/em gets bored and takes a nap.
/em wakes up to see someone fighting Morbolger in front of him.
Eh, it happens I suppose.
As for REAL HNMs, I really think that this is a fantastic idea. Boting wouldn't work since there are multiple monsters to fight. Maybe even not have the normal versions drop the item to spawn the Kings, since that means that Ls is going to fight the monster again right afterwards, but having the normal mobs have a chance to spawn as their HQ versions like they do now.
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I just wanted to point out that making them a force pop would also change one thing, instead of one dieing a day, u can bet it'd be camped 24/7 at least for a lil while, the drops will become more common if not at least a more common drop, and eventually the number of ppl needing/wanting those items will eventually thin out.
Also wanted to say in the way of ulli in sky, that and maybe Despot are the only 2 nm's i can think of for pop items anywhere near an exp party, and i know my ls "Crusaders" was up in sky for ulli for 4 hours a couple weeks ago, we sat in the room goofing off, and just chilling because there was 2 exp parties there and we didn't want to fck up thier day. I've head of problems with ls's going in and killing all the exp mobs, but that's a problem with the linkshell not overall, frankly, if there were less greedy azz's out there annoying probs like that wouldn't happen /sigh ppl take this game too seriously some times.
Also wanted to say in the way of ulli in sky, that and maybe Despot are the only 2 nm's i can think of for pop items anywhere near an exp party, and i know my ls "Crusaders" was up in sky for ulli for 4 hours a couple weeks ago, we sat in the room goofing off, and just chilling because there was 2 exp parties there and we didn't want to fck up thier day. I've head of problems with ls's going in and killing all the exp mobs, but that's a problem with the linkshell not overall, frankly, if there were less greedy azz's out there annoying probs like that wouldn't happen /sigh ppl take this game too seriously some times.
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