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#1 Apr 13 2005 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, Anyone who knows me, knows I am a extremely loyal person to any LS I have ever been a part of. I carry one pearl and that is it, always. Right now i am approaching levels in which i will be able to involve myself in Dynamis and maybe, God hunting eventually. I have seen the future of my Equipment, Koenig Full Set and Crimson gear from the waist down and I know what needs to be done (for the most part) to get these items. Currently, I belong to an incredible LS and we are growing well, I am extremely happy with them and the teamwork we display when it comes to Coffer key hunts as well as AF NM quest for gear.

Here in lies my question, I want to get the Koenig set and go to Dynamis but where as i am approaching that level, not many in my LS are, we have a few 60+ but not enough to do them,let alone, none of us have any experience with these fights at all. Is there any group of individuals out there in a Dynamis LS willing to show a guy the ropes,let him play by the same rules as everyone else but not be part of their LS. I know there is no lotting on AF2 unless you can wear it and such but i know most of these events are LS members only. If it means never experiencing these events in order to remain loyal to my LS, then I will suffer, but if I have a chance to help out and be of service i want to do it.

I know I am still 60, but I also know that if I fail to plan, I plan to fail. I am just seeing my options before I get to 65 to weigh my choices. Any input is appreciated, Thanks in Advance Cerberus.

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#2 Apr 13 2005 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, to be honest if your LS is growing, then I would wait. As far as getting full Koenig >.> Goodluck. There is fierce competition for the ground HNMs that drop the M.abj for legs, body, feet pieces. The head and hands are god Abjurations. Genbu drops the hands abjuration, and seiryu drops the head abj.

As far as dynamis goes, going there is the best thing you can do. Just do some reasearch on strategies. Most PLD's dont do much until post 70ish anyways. Mainly we kite the statue mobs.

I'm glad you wanna stay loyal to your LS, that is honorable. I would say just help them grow, and evolve. Eventually your shell will be strong enought to take down gods and dynamis.

For now I would just do all the research you can on strats for gods and dynamis. This allows you to be as prepared as possible to fight in those arenas. There will be struggles your first couple times around. Its a natural growing pain. XD
#3 Apr 13 2005 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally speaking, level 60 is not yet really a high level yet.

In some people's prespective the game does not begin until you are level 70 (or even 75). It really depends on how you see it. If you are interested in getting Sea/Promathian Missions, Garrison, Exp. Force (yay to game nationalism), BCNMs, the options are already there.

Promovithian Missions: It is not until Chapter 5, you will see level 60 capped BC fights (Bearclaw Pin. and Sealion Den). Getting to chapter 5 itself will take a long time. IMO Prom. Missions are lot harder than Zilart Missions.

Zilart Mission: The hardest part of getting Sky is to defeat Archduke in mission 8. Usually a well balanced and organized high 60s pt (65+) will be needed for that. I got Tu'Lia access at level 66, and my fellow LS mate Zicrod got it 67. You can start working at your first Zilart mission (Den of Rancor BC) at around 62-65ish. In some ways, I actually wished Zilart Missions BCs to be level capped as I notice sky leaching sometimes >< (have level 75s come out to help). Mission 4 and 6 can be capped 60 or 65, and 8 can be capped at 65 or 70.

Dynamis: You have to be level 65 and Rank 6 just to enter, and not every job can be a contributing member at level 65. Since you are a Paladin, the bar is little bit higher than some other jobs (like DD jobs). IMO, drama and politics are less rampant in Dynamis as there is a lot of randomness and luck (AF2 either drops or not, you either win or loss the lot casting). IMO, it is a good Dynamis LS is a LS with clear set of rules in lot casting, and its leaders able to enforce it well. As far as I know, there are no Dynamis only NA LSs on our server at this time -- they are linked as part of a Sky or HNM LS. I myself go to Dynamis with a Taiwan LS (yay to weird hours for Dynamis o.O).

HNMs/Gods: I think at low/mid 60 you can tank Serkit or Roc etc. I know some people camped Serkit at low 60s. However, Tu'Lia gods are much harder. Dramas are more prominent as different LS competes for the same NM (cough Adamtoise, Fafnir), and competition within the same LS for the greed of a certain item. That is why I refuse to do HNMs or go to Tu'Lia. Some people like the competition, but a lot do not. And doing Tu'Lia and HNMs do require a lot of time. Expect to be called on suddenly when someone say Fafnir popped. Or to spend 1 or 2 evenings just be running around in Sky camping God pop items or fighting the Gods themselves.
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#4 Apr 13 2005 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, as I said, not ready to do it just yet, I'm just looking plan in advance, lol. No way would I inflict myself, at this level, on a HNM hunt. I'm just wondering if, when certain groups go on these events, are they willing to "call up" outside help, and allow said persons to lot on the drops if they are able to use them at that time.

I have heard horrible stories from people of how they tanked a "random" god and died several times, only to have to give the Ab. drop to someone who did less work, in the "tanking" area, but had been in the LS longer. That practice seems, in no way fair. I have my rank 6, been trying to do 7-2 Sandy for ages now >< Stupid BCNMs. I'm trying to do all the research I can on Dynamis, but I am getting alot of crossed messages. I know, I am basically useless until 70, /cry. Also I believe, PLD AF2 set does start until lvl 72 so, no lotting on it until then. These are just some of the things I have heard but then here different things, such as, lower level (65-69) tanks are used to Sacrifice Pull and some others similiar to uses for being that low, don't mind that if it gets the job done. Thank you for the info so far though. ^^
#5 Apr 13 2005 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Dahlgren,

I would look into tanking smaller HNM's with your shell first, serket, roc, simurgh. Those ones will give good experiance as far as tanking in dynamis/sky/larger ground HNM's.

As far as going to other events, I know my shell does LS only dynamis now, and currently to lot AF2 you have to be the level to use it. PLD AF2 starts at 71 (Valor Leggings).

I'm doubtful if you were to get into a LS only event that would allow you to lot on something if your just there for the experiance.

The same applys to our sky runs. The only reason I have my Koenig hands at 70 is because I am the last paladin to need them from the LS until Miklotov starts coming to sky @70. 70 is the lowest we allow to come to sky unless your a mage then its 65.

As far as lotting goes in sky its basically the same. I'm not allowed to lot M.abj for Koenig head yet because I can not wear it if I were to win lot. There is a participation factor that is taken into consideration. Meaning if someone has come to more sky events or helped out more than another, they are givin lotting preference. Not really if they have just been in the shell longer than someone else.

Also just because you tank a specific god doesn't mean you get to lot the item. Personally I like to tank gods no matter what, its really really fun. I tank seiryu for the fun even though I cant lot the item (he drops M.Abj head).

Just dont go into it thinking your going to lot on something right away just cause you tanked a god for a bit. Cause its really not fair to the people that have been tanking for weeks trying to get the item, just to have others come in, tank once and win a lot.

As far as dynamis goes, there are certain shells out there that are just a mix of people that want to do dynamis. Those rules are generally 70+ lot AF2/money, single bills usually are free drop, 100 bills are lotted as money items, and synth items are money items as well. If you go in before 70, generally are allowed to lot money since you cant lot AF2.

Hope this helps clear some things up. Also go to mysterytour, they have great Dynamis information.


Edited, Wed Apr 13 15:51:26 2005 by Warf
#6 Apr 13 2005 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Eeek, I'd hate to be a tank in Sky Warf, every hit on the tank on my last sky run (From Byakko) took off like half HP.

You tanks must have some serious guts. ><;
#7 Apr 13 2005 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Byakko is a bad example since he has and uses triple attack quite often. On other gods I rarely get hit for more than 250 a pop. They each have their quirks though, Tortise stopm from genbu did 700 DMG to me the other day and brought me down to like 100hp O.O, theres byakko's triple attack, Suzaku's Chainspell, and I'm sure seiryu has something >.> just cant think of it right now.

Even Kirin doesn't hit hard, its just his JA's that get you killed.

I just think its a whole lot of fun to go up against something 3x your size and whoop its ***.
#8 Apr 13 2005 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes the determination who are allowed to lot have some vagueness, and personal differences and relationships will enter the game... That is what sometimes start sky dramas.

My opinion is quite similar to Warf.

IMO For Dynamis, whoever should be allowed to go in, should be allowed to lot -- given 1) He/She is level 70+ on the job which he is lotting for AF2, 2) He/She is contributing in a reasonable manner in winning the Dynamis run/or AF2 farming.

(1) usually applies to people that have multiple high level jobs. In my case, I will be lotting on White Mage or Bard AF2.

If a player probably not going to be useful in Dynamis, he/she should not be allowed to enter at first place. Allowing a person that may not be useful in a Dynamis run, just reduces the chances for others to lot, and may actually hinder the whole alliance. But if he/she takes a job that is useful to go in, then he/she should be allowed to lot. That is basically the rule for my Taiwan LS in Dynamis lotting. If you are allowed to come in, you can lot.

Basically, the best way to avoid dramas is to have rules set as precise as possible ahead. The rules are enforced in unbiased manner. Rules may not be always 100% fair, but they are made to be observed as a standard. In RL, this is called the Rule of Law. Law is not always "fair", but they set the standard in decision making and judgement.
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#9 Apr 14 2005 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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The only bad thing about Gods is the drama that goes with them. You can be easily burned out by them. Gods are alot more stressful too, IMO.

Dynamis will never get old for me. I don't know why, really. It's a better, less stressful environment.
#10 Apr 14 2005 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The only drama I've seen is is trying to figure out which day or days to be able to go. There hasn't really ever been "drama" about popping gods, or Kirin either.

The only drama I've seen is Ground HNM's like FF and NH and KB. There was a little drama between my LS and PM about sky nights, all that has seemed to be settled though.
#11 Apr 15 2005 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
Honestly I dont think high level activities are feasable by many untill 70+. In dynamis, sky etc lvl 75's already get resisted, miss, owned by mobs and being 10 levels lower makes it 10x worse. I've experienced this first hand. When I was lvl 65 I was in one of those first LS that tried to do all this high level stuff early and it didn't really work out. Leveling was practically non-existant and it was just camping roc, simurgh and serket, not very exciting after a while. The best thing you can do imho is to keep leveling and work on some Zilart missions. Unless you have really really good equips, chances are, you wont be able to do much before level 70. Other than that, I think Amanada hit everything on the head. Some people don't like the drama, the camping or the amount of time that being in a really dedicated HNMLS requires. Personally I love the drama :p but I respect people who just dont like that kind of thing.
#12 Apr 15 2005 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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everyone pretty much nailed this down .

It's better to hang with you LS, stick with the same people you know. HNM, SKY, Dynamis can all be very stressfull. With people you've been good friends with , much less strangers. Dont jump ship just because the grass looks greener on the side. I've seen people do this and eventually just quit. They jump to another LS thinking they where better, when they wanna come back it just never the same. dying on a sky run with your friends for the first time is better than standing silent in the corner while another LS pwns it.

#13 Apr 15 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Kyrin wrote:
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The only bad thing about Gods is the drama that goes with them. You can be easily burned out by them. Gods are alot more stressful too, IMO.


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The only drama I've seen is Ground HNM's like FF and NH and KB. There was a little drama between my LS and PM about sky nights, all that has seemed to be settled though.


I think sometimes there are issues in lotting of items in Sky -- who got to lot first etc. Sometimes, it may be easier just to sell all money items, and random cast lots on Abjuration or other Rare-Ex items by people who can use it. Drama may begin if things are not divided that way or on highly sought after items -- i.e. some people want the item more, and there are subjectivity in who should get it first. I have heard tons of stories of dramas of that type, or even whole LS broke up because of that.

Another thing about Sky and HNMs I don't like -- it fixes my game schedule. I have RL work, and a fairly fixed RL schedule; a graduate student like me do have some leeway on work hours ;p ; but I need to put in 7-8 hours per day, and I do not like working in strange hours (like till 10 PM night). I do not want to fix myself too much a schedule in a game or get more stress/fatigue in "game work".

In a matter of fact, sometimes during weekdays, I play more in the early morning than evenings now. And most weekday game time are either chatting, camping cheap/soloable NMs (I am WHM / BRD -- choices are fairly limited), or playing with crafts. It is not till weekends, I really have time to do some more time demanding stuff.

Edited, Fri Apr 15 10:30:07 2005 by scchan
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#14 Apr 15 2005 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I can see how lotting may be a little dramaish. My LS had some outtings over crimson legs. It was decided by the sackholders that PLD's should get them first due to kiting issues. Well the RDM's didn't really like that, and I guess theres not much in sky for RDM's (dunno not a rdm >.>)

Personally PLD's do a /random at seiryu for the m.abj head, that way no every PLD is trying to lot it, and those that lose the /random can still go for money items. So we really dont have much of an issue with drama, I think thats whay I like most about my LS LOL.

It set up well to prevent drama for the most part.
#15 Apr 15 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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WARF SAID:
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Personally PLD's do a /random at seiryu for the m.abj head, that way no every PLD is trying to lot it, and those that lose the /random can still go for money items. So we really dont have much of an issue with drama, I think thats whay I like most about my LS LOL.
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well that lighting crystal he dropped was supposed to be mine warf!!!!!!!!!! and dammit you lotted on it. I WANT MY CRYSTAL
AND I WANT IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#16 Apr 15 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey algar **** OFF!!! IT'S MY CRYSTAL *****!!!

XD LOL
#17 Apr 15 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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/em hands Algar a lightning crystal and a pacifier

:-b j/k bro
#18 Apr 16 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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We could all send him lightning crystals. :)
#19 Apr 17 2005 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Dahlgren. ^^

I think its great that you only carry one shell. Im pretty much the same...somewhat. hehe Its good to look ahead but I think Amanada brought up some good points. Being a PLD in Dynamis at 65 would mean you arent doing much of anything. Tanking is definately out of the picture. Ive been told that I cant tank until I get my adaman gear....but thats likely just some anti-pld myth. :P

Really, Warf and Amanada said it all. Personally, Ive heard bad things about HNMLS's as well. Lots of drama over drops etc. But if you have friends in some maybe you can ask them to take you along just for the experience. I would wait till your high enough to be of some help if they get in trouble.

Anywho, goodluck D. I know you can do it. You'll probably get to 75 before me. Ive been on a break for a loooooooong time. im starting to get jumpy.

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