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RL males using IG female charaters: Why play the female roleFollow

#1 Jul 27 2005 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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As I logged in last night a LS member sent me an interesting tell.
#2 Jul 27 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
cause people need to learn to let loose and not take games so seriously? there is a reason they call it RPG. Other's probably do it to get items and gil from unsuspecting players.

Edited, Wed Jul 27 15:09:01 2005 by ElvaanKrem
#3 Jul 27 2005 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Damnit hit return to quick,
Anyways here is my question to this forum. So we all know that some female accounts are controlled by RL males. { I'm one of them} When you do this you get the usuall play from people of flirts, hitting on, and harrassment. Myself personaly, I get a kick outa telling them that I'm a guy. Here is what I don't get, why would player X {ie: the one acting to be a rl girl} lead player Y {ie: the one acting like a rl guy} to belive that they were a female and go out of their way to make someone belive it. [ie: sending a picture of a rl girl to player Y} To me this is just twisted. And the only reason I'm posting this is because there can at times be emotions involved. {as strange as that sounds}
This may be a lame post and I may get rated down, But the moral of my story without going into the details of it is this.
People have feelings, This is a game of fantasy yes, but to flat out lie is just wrong. To take advantage of someone helping you because they think your a female, is wrong. To accept gifts from someone because they think your a female is just flat out taking advantage of the situation.
I guess I'm just trying to vent and maybe get some input back because I have developed some great friendships with people from this game. And to log on and hear that someone you have played this game with for the last 8 months did get their feelings hurt from being lied to by someone else sucks.
So, sorry for ranting here, but its just something that I needed to get off my chest about my friends situation. And for those of you that read this thread and are in anytype of a similar situation, I have a saying for you that come from my line of RL work.
" I'll need two pices of I.D. , your social security #, D.O.B. and your home phone# starting with area code."
Point is know who your dealing with the best you can.

one more thing: I read a thread here about harrassment of female players. My wife plays pebble also, used to play more than I did till some jerk harrased her to the point that she wont log in anymore. So yes I can understand that situation 100% of wanting to not play anymore due to other players actions that are just flat out imature and uncalled for.
#4 Jul 27 2005 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Krem my old lady feels for yah. So I understand you feelings and am sorry for what happen to yah. She read you thread lastnight while I was playing and man... sent her spinning off saying "see they are jerks". So I feel for yah girl.
Good luck in what you do and sorry to see you go.
#5 Jul 27 2005 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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pebblebammer wrote:
This may be a lame post and I may get rated down


nah... that only happens if you disagree with someone on the forum... even if what you say makes sense

if one of the "pcak rats" disagree with you, then you need to backpeddle and agree with them to avoid being rated down
#6 Jul 27 2005 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
it's n/p... what's done is done.. I've out grown the game and thus my departure. I have learned to overcome and ignore those that try to implant themselves under my skin. Sorry about my OP, I thought you were going to take this thread in the direction of: "Why do males play female characters?"

I see completely different now. As for the harassment and what not... it's all text. I consider any harassment towards Nebz (or Krem) and not my persona. I can't be mad at the pervy lil teen boys gettin off on the pixilation... afterall, Krem is Fem. Elvaan cause I wanted to see a hot lil elvaan prancing around my screen... plus, have you seen what male elvaan's look like in sublingar? (Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.)

The reason I am departing FFXI is more personal matters and lack of an active social life. FFXI was great for a long time, and I met some good friends... but I think it's time to take somethings I learned in FFXI (such as the carefree introduction of one's self) and apply it in the real world. In the long run, I'd rather work on my own RL skills and improve my own RL stats rather than Nebz's or Krem's.
#7 Jul 27 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I could read all of what you said, but i think i got most of it.

I think its nothing wrong with Males Playing Female characters.
Its a roleplaying game after all. But Shemales(Lets call us that.) that lure other people to think they are Female IRL is just wrong.
In my opinion its worse then Scamming someone of some prizy item.
Because we all know that you can create feelings with someone over internet, and when you find out that your "Net GF" is a man, you might get hurt.

I personaly tell the other guy that i am a Male if that person starts talking to me in a way that would imply(?) that he thinks i am a Female. But most of the people i play with at highlevel already know that i am a Male, so its not often it happens.

But one thing that has happened to me, was in Dunes when i leveled some job. A girl was starting to hit on me. She was lesbian and wanted me to do strange stuff with my avatar. That was freaky.
And she wanted me to go to Gusgen on a date. O.o
#8 Jul 27 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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You hit the nail on the head. Glad to see that I'm not the only one that saw this as a inproper thing to do. lol Maybe I should've called this thread "IG relationships that can go bad for RL people."

#9 Jul 27 2005 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to try something different. Male characters look so plain and boring. It isn't to intentionally decieve any woman or man in the game..if I sense they are getting a thing for me(happened alot..)I tell them what I am. If no one never asks, I don't never say anything. However I get irritated by the question sometimes because in the past I have been in arguements with guys who were angry because I wasn't female.
#10 Jul 27 2005 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Male characters look so plain and boring.


Main reason why females were used for art and sculptures more than the male.
#11 Jul 27 2005 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I'm a girl with a female char. I'm not 100% certain as to the point of an in-game relationship. For the most part, I try very hard to avoid them.

One of my best friends played a F char. He didn't know about marriages at that time either and he regretted picking an F. But he wanted it because he didn't want to stare at a male *** all day. I'm usually in 1st person mode so I don't really see much ***. I've heard another theory that some guys want to feel "in control" of a girl... this is a good outlet for that I suppose.

Perhaps this is not the best thread to also pop the question why do people feel the need to have them? I definitely have good friends in-game, but no IG boyfriend. To have a relationship makes this game "too real" for me. I rather keep it as a "fantasy" and be grounded in the world around me. I'm not sure if I'm alone in my feeling.

If I did go out with someone IG as by bf, I would feel more comfortable with the idea if he really was my IRL bf. I do hear of people hooking up IRL due to the game and it's awesome to see something like this bring two people.
#12 Jul 27 2005 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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My LS fell victim to a Male playing a female character and using us, namely me, for favors gained this way. We evetually outted the person and they got very...... irrate and started calling us names amoungst other things. Therefore, yah, we find out from the beginning weather or not someone is male or female upon entering the LS, so that noone else in the LS gets used and abused. On a side note, i heard that today, Misterdelicious, actually apologized to Samiex for what he did to the LS, still doesn't set it right but it was a nice gesture. ^^ peace

^.^V
#13 Jul 27 2005 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Now here's an interesting question.


Why do girls get treated differently than guys do? Why are males driven to give gifts or money or go out of thier way to help just because they believe that person to be female?

Why is it so blatant that those SoB's that are out for themselves would consider pretending to be female just so that they could score gil/items/favors?
#14 Jul 27 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
I have some good friends in this game who are males who play female characters, and that I have no problem with - well, depending on their reasoning. I agree that any She-male (Manthra, whatever) who leads guys on to get stuff or for whatever other reason is wrong.

One thing I have noticed from my female friends who play (REAL females) is that they sure do get a lot of stuff from IG boyfriends/male friends.

It doesn't make sense to me that people give stuff away in a game just because the other character is a girl, but hey, to each his own.

I also stay away from any flirting or Boyfriend/girlfriend type things in this game because I agree with Moreana that it makes things too complicated. This is a GAME (yes that really is said too much ^^) and games are made to have fun. Unfortunately, when feelings get involved it takes away a lot of the fun when something goes wrong. I had some good friends of mine "break up" and all sorts of bad feelings came from that.

Personally though - I am married in real life and really don't feel the need to have a cyber-girlfriend. And even though it's a game and you are "Role Playing" I don't think it's right to even pretend when I'm really married. That's for me though and I've got married friends with game girlfriends and boyfriends and it doesn't bother me because they make their own choices, and they are still really cool people.

Anyway - my post is too long, so I'll end it now.

My answer to the OP Subject Question: I really don't know!

Edit: This post took me too long to write (since I'm at work and people kept bugging me) so I've updated it in regards to others posting! ^^

Edited, Wed Jul 27 18:49:43 2005 by LordTigersoul
#15 Jul 27 2005 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Role playing is part of the fun of the game. If someone wants to role play for fun, I have no objection to that. But using role play to gain favors, it is something I will not tolerate.

About in game relationships, I think it is up to the player to decide. I myself would not mind, but I am aslo well aware of the risks taken. If one is willing to take the risk, then it is one responsibility to take the needed precautions and ready for the outcome for it.

I actually know someone that who allows his gf to play his character -- and the model of the character is a Girl Tarutaru. It is best to assume the gender of the player be unknown until that person tells you what his/her gender is. If someone prefers to remain anonymous -- he/she has the right to do so. But in the situation when it may matter, it is best to be honest. I myself always be honest I am RL guy -- but some people claim me actually play female role quite well >< saying I tend to use more femine language and behavoir... but anyway. I am a "straight" guy, and I come clean all the time.

IMO -- the best way to round it up :
It is just all up to the player how to play their character as long as it does not (edit:) intentionally hurt other's playing experience.

PS: I added the word "intentionally" because dramas and conflicts because of whatever reason is part of the game. There are times this game is really annoying as hell, or get you angry. That is matter of fact...

Edited, Wed Jul 27 22:37:04 2005 by scchan
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#16 Jul 27 2005 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Jackybob wrote:
Now here's an interesting question.


Why do girls get treated differently than guys do? Why are males driven to give gifts or money or go out of thier way to help just because they believe that person to be female?

Why is it so blatant that those SoB's that are out for themselves would consider pretending to be female just so that they could score gil/items/favors?


Because most men believe that being a cake daddy is exactly what she wants, and that by doing so would possibly get her to like said guy. I'm not sure there are guys out there who play the femme role in hopes of getting by in the game easy..

I don't know why women are treated differently than men. I would prefer that never change...equality one thing..uniquity is another..
#17 Jul 28 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
I get really annoyed that guys play female characters. I have gotten to the point where I just assume that mithras are all male in RL and about 50% of the hume females are really males. I have a female character and so does my husband. He picked a female character because "she is hot". :P
Anyway, when RL men play female characters and pretend to be female IRL- that is over the line. Do they do it for gifts or whatever? I certainly don't get treated special. Maybe that is because I am a female taru and therefore, am not "hot". But when I play my husband's female hume, I get flirted with a lot. But still, no gifts! I am jealous!
#18 Jul 28 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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To further complicate the issue I would like to point out something that I know happens but I'm not sure to what extent. I had a friend who was a girl IRL but when she played online games (she does not play ffxi) she always claimed to be a guy. Her reason was for safety.

I'm not sure why so many of you even care at all? Why are you hitting on someone in a game? A persons gender matters to me not in the least, but people hitting on others in online games gives me the creeps. Imo if you got scammed by somebody that you thought was a girl and they are really a guy then who is really the bigger weirdo o.O?
#19 Jul 28 2005 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Amanada, maybe you sound feminine because you sound more mature. Girls I guess tend to be usually associated with being more mature than guys given the same age level. Though in this game, age is irrelevant but you can still tell who sounds like the 14-year old spoiled brat.
#20 Jul 28 2005 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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YOU GUYS JUST GOT TO KEEP YOUR PIMP HAND STRONG,
DONT'E BE A SUGAR DADDY TO THE MAN HO.
#21 Jul 28 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Definitely an Algar-esque post. LoL. You crack me up some times man.

Ok so I'll admit it, I even find myself acting differently to someone that claims to be a female IRL, just as I would to a girl IRL. I'm a naturally flirty person and that is prevelant in conversations with females. Just in my nature.

I have dealt with a person that played the "I'm a female" to a T for a LONG time before fessing up. Did I have interest in this person outside of Vana? LoL No. Separate game from RL. But, I still have no interest in conversing with this person because I now see the type of person that he is. If you want to pretend to be the opposite sex IRL, that's your choice and they have places you can go. Don't hide behind a computer screen, it's just not healthy and it's rude to people that you are lying to.

I also knew someone that did the same thing and became emotionally involved with another that I know on the game. It was a complete and udder mess. Be honest with yourself and others. You'll come out better in the end.
#22 Jul 28 2005 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
Now, there is always a difference between "playing the role" and deliberately trying to decieve people. The whole purpose of the game is to be something that you are not IRL. I play Papillon because her shoes are fun to fill and walk a mile in. I have always tried to let people believe what they want to believe; whatever makes them happy. I don't do it "get over" on anybody and I don't giggle to myself "Oh, this guy really thinks I'm a chick....hehe." I agree, that is wrong. I know this from expierence.

I will admit, I have only once made the grave mistake of saying that I really was a girl. I felt I was backed into a corner and tried every ambigous answer I could think of ("Why does it matter?" etc, etc.) and I made the mistake of not telling the truth because I couldn't get away from the subject no matter how hard I tried. I felt that it might lessen or even destroy the fun of my role playing if it was known thatb I really was a guy. I, of course, instantly regretting saying it. I have apologized a thousand times and I would apologize a thousand more... It's too late now, that did indeed kill our friendship and it is 100% completely my fault. {/sigh} So, learn from this. I know I'll never, ever make that mistake again (and you shouldn't either).

In short, don't ever deliberately hide the fact that you are a guy. I admit to doing it once and even though it was not to decieve or out of malicious intent, I did do it and it was very, very wrong to do. No names, but again, I'm sorry (#1,001).

So, go on with your lives my fellow Manthras. This is a game, but do be careful and midful of the real people behind those other characters. Besides, how do I know that Elvaan Male that's hitting on me isn't a girl IRL either? {Hmmmm}?

=^_^=
#23 Jul 28 2005 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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algarofcerebus wrote:
YOU GUYS JUST GOT TO KEEP YOUR PIMP HAND STRONG,
DONT'E BE A SUGAR DADDY TO THE MAN HO.


Hadn't heard that term in a long time.
#24 Jul 29 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I have no idea what a Sugar Daddy is o_O;
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Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
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A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
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but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
#25 Jul 29 2005 at 3:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I think there is a difference between men who play Mithra, and those who play other races a female. Mithra have great Dex and AGI, so that alone makes them enticing for most low lvl DD jobs. I think a lot of these guys would play Mithra men rather than female, if they were able too. I know a few dudes that play as hume females, but none that play as Taru or Elvaan females. I think they just like to look at hot chicks lol.
#26 Jul 29 2005 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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scchan wrote:
I have no idea what a Sugar Daddy is o_O;


Usually an older man that showers a young girl or woman with gifts/money/help or whatever they need.
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