trickster's tricky trickFollow

this game is ******* bs. i ma sick and tired for the asses in this game.
this is wat happened for everybody who is confused.
oct, 14th 2005 9:40AM PDT i put up hauberk for 400k in my bazaar by mistake.
9:45am trickster bought it for 400k w/ tax.
9:47 i found out and bagg him to give it back for 600k
9:50 i start /shouting and other ppl in jeuno backed me up
10:25 trickster agree 600k for my hauberk back.
10:30 i borrowed 200k from a stranger called fearingcyclone so i have 625k.
10:35 i traded 600k to trickster. he took the money but didn't give back hauberk and asked for buy my damp eye for 100k.
10:36 i have to go afk.
11:15 back to game and went to Garlaige Citadel and bag him for hauberk back.
12:45 made agreement that i clear his name and no post in ALA, KI or shouts at Jeuno to damage his name. and i will quit 4 days and wait for my hauberk back.
oct, 16th 2005 went online to check. Hauberk [trickster -> ???? oct, 14th 2005 4:15PM]

dat's enough of trickster's trick. he took advatage of my mistake. did a trade scam on me. and break the promise.
he wanted his name clear b4 he gives back my hauberk. then he sells it instead. lmfao.
i will let eveybody on this server know what kinda person he is now. and have fun TRICKY TRICKSTER.

/comfort dibidu..

but just wondering... the trade won't happen unless both sides clicked ok, no? so why did you click ok when hauberk wasn't up on his side? D:

You should have double checked before you put the price up, you made the mistake and it's not his fault. Mind you, I do not know Trickster, I have never spoken with and/or pted with him. But the fact still remains that you made the mistake and honestly he would have been well within his rights to keep it. I know that if I saw someone put an expensive item in their bazaar and it was obvious they put the wrong price I would buy it and keep it for myself (unless I knew the person of course). Next time be more careful because if you make that mistake again, the person that bought it may not be so kind as to return the item for you.

Oh... I didn't know, good, he shouldn't have to, but if he did make a promise to I understand, if you give your word you should always keep it. My point is though is that he shouldn't have promised to give it back in the first place.

Actually. Talk to a GM about this. If you actually read the terms of agreements ( the new one) You can get banned for breaking a promise like that. You can no longer tell someone something and then not go through with it. The 400k was your mistake. But he did agree to sell it back for the 600k. Which you paid. So you have a case. Therefore broken promise. I would seriously go to a GM about this cuz i think you might get it back.

i think if you can tell the date and time of it happening, the GMs can track their database for the chat log. which would show the agreement between you too. as for whether they track if you two made a trade transaction, i dunno~ worht a try tho

right... I'm with Jetta there... it's here-say and your word against anothers when it comes down to it. Even if they check chat logs, those logs still do not display any transfer of items or gil. The most those logs would reflect is the initial purchase out of the bazaar and a trade request and trade complete.. tho it would not be mentioned what was traded. At this point, it can easily be contested that the item was returned. It can even be contested that he gave back the item and the OP didn't give back the gil. Whether it be fact or fiction is irrelevant considering it would still lead to a dispute. This is kinda like tryin to rat out a class mate for stealing your lucky pen or something...

oh, and might I remind you... this is a game, so the item is nothing more than a bunch of 0's and 1's and is not a real entity. Now had Trickster grabbed your POL ID and cracked it to log in and do whatever... Then SE would be able to investigate the theft of the account only... I do not believe they would investigate the theft of any items related to said account theft. Reason being is gil is "pretend" and $$$ is real. It's kinda like playing Monopoly and ******** cause someone didn't pay you rent for your two hotel's on Boardwalk.

Dibi, you are in my LS, and I try to avoid openly discuss what I think about this.

First off, I have items "cheated" from me away in the past. Like trading/lending someone some valuable item, and never get it back. I think everyone have similar experiences before.

AH and Bazaar blunders are bound to happen. And people who took advantage of it does not have the responsibility to return it. I have returned gil to people who over-bid items of mine, and I have asked people returning gil or item to me for me overbidding. Some returned the gil or item, but they do that because they are nice. They do not have to do that. If they want to be a bast**d and not return it, there is really nothing one can do about that.

People who prefer to be a bast**d in an online game (even by playing the rules of the game on his side) is hurting their own fun in the game. Do not blame others for not helping or playing with you in the future. You made a choice that others do not like, and others do not have to like you.

I agree Trickster does something that betrayed trust among players, but at the same time it may have been unwise on your part to accept a deal/trade, even you kind of know that person is more likely to betray trust considering in what they had already done. IMO Trying to resolve this conflict by making posts in Alla or KI does not help at all. It just makes the issue too big, which make both parties unable to back down and strike a deal.

IMO Trust betrayal in the game is foolish. In the end, the virtual item really worths nothing (as Nebz said). You play the game for fun, social, and challenge. ******** around really leads to nothing in the most important objective in a game.

Sorry if this may not be the best thing you want to hear, Dibi. I try to be your friend, and at the same time be reasonable.

And for you, Trickster... I wish you luck in the future of the game. Trust and connections worth a lot more than a piece of armour. What you have done will definetly hurt you in having fun in the game. At least, you can count me out for me to help you. I do not help anyone that I know betray trust to others and not willing to apologize or amend their actions.

And for Dibi, if you want to make the money back, I will help you. I am always into legit gil making. But it is best to put this thing into a closure for now.

Edited, Tue Oct 18 11:39:45 2005 by scchan

Edited, Tue Oct 18 11:35:43 2005 by scchan

Wow, that's incredibly nice..

If someone makes an AH mistake and I end up with 300k for a 30k item, I'll be more than glad to refund the difference... or even the full amount if I get the item back. HOWEVER, a bazaar is a tad bit different. IMO, a Bazaar is like a garage sale/swap meet. You set your own prices on the stuff (usually at a slight discount from the bigger sellers, in this case the AH) and sell it yourself. I search bazaar's left and right and up and down and rinse and repeat again... it never ends. I see a good deal, I grab the item and see if I can't make anything off of it. I've lost gil by buying items I thought were more valuable than what I paid for them and found out the case to be opposite or the price is fairly similar between the Bazaar and AH.

If I were to go to a garage sale IRL, the person hosting the sale has already put out what he/she wants to sell and either has it marked or knows how much he/she wants for the item. Personally, if I pick up a $50 camera and the guy says it's $5 and I know I can get $20 for it on ebay, I'm not gunna sit there and ask the guy if he's sure he wants to sell it that cheap.

Bazaar's aren't much different. The player set the price him/herself and should be well aware of how much he/she placed the item for sale for. In a supermarket or department store, if something is mislabelled with the wrong price (not the customer switching labels, but mismarked by the company), the store will probably take a bite of their profits and sell you for the marked price as it was their error. However, if they can prove you changed the price label, then they probably would take different action instead.

Bazaar mistakes are not like AH mistakes. AH mistakes you cannot correct after you click yes to the "are you sure?" question. A bazaar you can correct any mistake you find by just resetting the selling price. Further more, for that matter, once someone buys something from your bazaar, it does not say how much they paid for it... it only says that they purchased it. Which suggests the OP was aware of the price of the item before hand if he knows how much it sold for, and therefore could have easily corrected his mislabelled price for the item. Had I been the buyer in that situation, I would have probably purchased the gear and acted very funny to the OP upon request to purchase it back for 150% of what I paid for it.

As rarely as this may happen, I agree with ElvaanKrem completely and fully. Does it suck that you lost such an item in such a manner? Yeah. Is the guy a **** for taking advantage of an obviously-wrongly-priced piece of equipment? Hell yeah. But are you entitled to it back? Sucks to say it, but not in the slightest. It was a mistake on your part and your part alone. Rude as it may be, Trickster isn't obligated to give anything back, or even talk to you. Now, it's not to say that Trickster's reputation hasn't been damaged in the exchange (although seeing as how the OP has one single post, I'm kind of wary to take it as undeniable truth), but the truth is:

You're SOL.

Sorry. ><;

To define this a little more, I'm certain that asking to see that Mithra's tail is not sexual harrassment but instead asking what the person is wearing IRL and discussing undesired sexual scenarios one would like to do with another. Stalking... well, I don't think they mean if your Elvaan is following my Taru around Giddeus all day... Fraud... as in CC Fraud... Identity theft... illegal payment for the FFXI account/POL ID by means of falsified, or stolen, credit card information... not an ingame scam. Finally, I don't know of many activities in FFXI that break the law. MPK, tho a form of killing, still does not break the law as murder is one person killing another person. Elvaans, Taru's, Galka's, Mithra's, Hume's, they're all make believe and do not posses a physical entity. I'm not saying SE won't take action on MPK'rs as they ruin the game for others... but a one on one player dispute will not be handled by SE as it is meerely nothing more than one word against the other's. Good try with the new TOS... but you're confusing the line between reality and fiction.

I think I could guess the outcome of such a civil trial.

The underline is the reversal of such deals should not be taken to be granted. Bazaar in AH, mispricing in Wal-Mart are like a contract. You sold an item at a certain price that you set (by mistake or not), contract is signed, and the price should be final. If there is a mistake of the price, it should be considered as a favor and not a right for reversal of the deal. If Wal-Mart can reverse their price anyway they want, all consumer rights just go into the toilet.

If I see a cashier give me to much change, or AH bluder that leads to much gil sent to me, I will return it. But it is not a right to demand such a return.

If deals (even the one that are stroke by mistake) can be changed unilaterily, then there will be chaos and no fairness.

Being fair does not always equate individual interests are defended. But the community as a whole will benefit for fairness. Yes I am a believer We > Me type person; in the end, by defending community interest, everyone will end as a winner.