HNMLS In-Crowd?Follow

This is always a tough one...

In a way you are right. The easiest way into an HNMLS is to have friends in an HNMLS. Many groups require a member within the ls to make a request for extending a membership to you. From there the sack holders or the big boss can accept or refuse it.

It isn't hard to meet people in these shells if you have some people skills and are fairly active in game. HNMLS members are often leveling new jobs and do other activities at all level ranges, so the odds are good that you will run into them from time to time. When doing your daily activities in game, simply pay attention to peoples pearls when you party with them and remember their names.

Simply interacting with people day to day is likely what got you into your current LS that got you from 1-75. Moving to an HNMLS isn't very different except that there are sometimes job requirements or a certain level of progress in the game expected. Go about your daily routine of partying and making friends, and odds are someone you meet will help introduce you to the people with the connections you are looking for.

On a side note, some HNMLS have web sites where you can post your interests on the forum, and they may have a recruitment section (if they are recruiting at that moment). This is kind of impersonal, but you can always give it a shot. Ideally you want to join an LS where you at least know a few people, just so that it isn't a purely buisness relationship.

Good luck!

I tend to call "HNM LS" as end game LS -- and reserved the word HNM LS to LS that camps ground god NMs regularly, and seperate them from LSs that devote most of their time Sky and Dynamis.

It is really up to what you want to get out from end game, and how much time you are willing to spend. I do know LSs (with some resonable standing) that looks for people to do certain end game activities that are less intense than the "well-known" ones, but I do not like recommending people in unless I know that person really well. So tell me what you really want from end game, I can tell you who you may talk to.

However, I still truely believe that you do not need the best item to have fun in the game. At the same time, end game does keep you enteratained in some ways, but I am never into the big item dramas and NM camp $hit talking.

A lot of people will claim their LS are the best, drama free, cheating free etc... That is one thing, that I will take precautions to believe. I have never seen a LS being draam free (no matter what LS is that). What is best LS is the one you have fun with. I am quite convineced certain LS intentionally allow suspected botters or big time gil buyers into their LS (I will not name them here) to gain advantage in certain game activities.

Edited, Jul 24th 2006 at 3:07am EDT by scchan

I do not really hate end game LSs... Just I am sick and tired of certain BS in the game -- like cheating, accuse other groups for cheating while they are not, so-so stole a Ridill lot, etc etc. I am also really impatient to stand around for 3 hours doing nothing to hope to get a claim of something. I just choose not to deal with it.

I actually do not mind sky. There are always something to do -- at worse just go smash golems, magic pots, and robots. Even now, cheating and somewhat less legit groups operate in the sky, and a lot of because of doing of the "more legit" players themselves. I am just tired of people complaining it is all GSs fault for everything. A lot of problems are the players wrong doing themselves, and they just take them out on the GSs. (I had a good conversation about that with a GM long time ago). But oh well, good god Windowsr is gone from sky :P one less annoyance in sky now. Bah, those guys up there really need better characters names _-_ Starstar, Tankman >_>

Edited, Jul 24th 2006 at 9:20am EDT by scchan

Edited, Jul 24th 2006 at 9:23am EDT by scchan

I'm looking for Dynamis, Sky God fights, Earth NM camping, etc. I would check out VF, Aliiyah, but you seem to be the only one willing to take in new members. I want this pretty bad, but not bad enough to deal with being treated as a leech. I want to come in, and start learning/dedicating myself to a shell. SImple and fun. I guess I'll try the avenue suggested about talking to people in party about it. I usually try to avoid that, because I don't want to seem like a kid looking for handouts. A strange balance, I suppose. Thanks for the advice everyone.

Asherr, let's talk in game more about what you are looking for and what VF has to offer. We currently are seeking members with Sky access (I am taking hopefully the last group of folks through Z's now...), who have at least Promy's done (we are running thru/have set up/are setting up SP's for CoP) and have at least 1 level 75 job. The only other requirements are the ability to have fun, help ls mates when you can, and try to attend our 3 Mandatory LS events per week (mandatory: if you are online, you must be in attendance!). We also tend to run on CST but that may be to your advantage with school and work and a social life!

Check out our site for more info: VanadielsFinest HNMLS Web Site

Check out the forum for our LS rules and regs to see if we are what you are looking for. Currently, we do Sky, Dynamis, and some of the HNM (Hakutaku, Shen, Kurrea, etc...), and are looking to move into bigger things VERY soon. (Sea, Limbus, ground gods, etc.) We currently have 75+ members and as Ama said, Max and the sacs (including me!) keep the LS, drama and all shenanigans to a low. We don't show boat, we don't bot, we use our God given skills and still seem to beat out other "bigger" LS's from time to time.

VF also frowns on LS hopping, we do not allow members to be in more than 1 HNMLS (ours) and reward our members in various ways for help and participation (active participation in LS). The more you shine, the more you get from the LS. We also run a lot of things differently than other LS's and it works extremely well for VF and keeps member's VERY happy and keeps things fun for them.

I have been talking to Vedder about "us" all SP'ing our jobs (you know the ones!) and I am sure we can talk more when we all meet up. Vedder, Esmonde, and Paragon have all come with VF on Dynamis runs and a few HNM runs as well. I know CD is growing, but I hate to say that if you REALLY want to move forward, you may end up going the path I have and find yourself spending time in your HNMLS full time and chat LS's less and less. So think very carefully before moving on. You make tons of new friends and you never loose your old friends, but sadly you find yourself drifting away from the old ones... :( I am sure you understand this.

I noticed that you didn't want to be seen as a "leech" and as long you spend time in the LS (which is WHY is said you will probably drift away from any other LS's as you will spend almost 100% of your time in your HNMLS...) and contribute to the LS as well as ask for help, this won't even be an issue. It's the people that have come in, gotten a pearl, shown up for one event, then disappear - only to pop in when we are doing events that they want drops from or when they can "get" something. Those people are the leeches and tend to get swiftly pegged as such as usually removed from LS just as quick. They think they are doing it without getting caught or that no one notices, but we have caught each and every one. Plus when people start showing up with gear we didn't get them... things get a bit obvious...

So, internalize this info, check out the website, and get back to me! Just waiting for the update to end so I can DL the new goods. So I will be checking here thru the day. Or holla at me in game this eve!



Edited, Jul 24th 2006 at 3:32pm EDT by lewbaby

I do agree with Paragon that end game item LS is far more conducive to fights than other LSs. Fights with other LSs may seem like the biggest issue, but I think in fights are far more a problem -- who get what first blah blah. I have friends who runs drops in end game, and it is not a fun job.

I just do not see why would I would devote myself to deal with fights of item to advance in the game. For a person not excessively involve in end game, I am pleased where I am.

Yep... the sentiments about who should get what caused VF to make it so we show what people what they are doing, what they are attending, etc as a part of how who gets what drops is decieded. If people aren't coming to anything but events they think they can get drops in, they will SEE now why they are getting passed over for drops.

This may seem harsh to some, but let's apply this to RL. DO you let your co-workers take credit for your work? Do you sit back while they get promoted while you were the one who did all the work? No. So most LS's run the same way. If you take part in LS events and area an active participating member then you will get the drops you want. Quite simple.

Closing thought: "Nothing in life is free."

I could interpret that as you talking about me >.>

But, I never lotted anything that I wasn't supposed to; and ALWAYS tried to clarify what my responsibilties were and what I was allowed to do and not to do. (Especially since I was such a newbie at some of the events)

Another reason why I stayed with ClanD was the fact that I had trouble leaving it. And, I had a large investment of time and relationships already in CD.

Anyway, I don't want you thinking that I was trying to "get" something out of VF, whether that was your intention in your post, or not. I don't roll that way. But, you know that already.

If something happens to CD, I will quit the game. I have come close over the past year, but CD (collectively) is the only thing that kept me from doing it.

I hope that everyone has fun and I will see you after the update!

Para

just thought i would point out that your 2 jobs in that range are the least needed by any LS.

Supply and Demand. Just about every player has either a WAR or a NIN or both levelled to 75. It is easier to join a LS with a job thats in demand. Certain jobs are always in demand.

I'm just being honest.

Orly?

I'd think most LS could use those jobs. I can't think of any melee that would be more desirable... and as someone who knows Asherr, I don't think he'll be leveling any mage jobs anytime soon.

hmm maybe you didnt read my post.

I didnt say war or nin sucks i said almost every player on the server has at least 1 if not both of those jobs leveled to 75. If you understand the concept of Supply and demand as being "war and nin sucks and arent useful" then I have no idea what kind of help you need. Those jobs are never in demand in an endgame LS.

not necessarily, i've come across quite a few linkshells that are missing a nin. as nin is a necessary tank. war can be a strong melee in many situations.

just look around and ask.

there's always cato ls who seems to recruit anyone any job always ^_^

yes its true

but i definitely think nin or war are considered in hnmls...

jobs like drk drg are less likely to find a hnmls. but nins are important tanks, many linkshells would like at least 3-4 of them. Wars are very strong DD in many occasions therefore they're not rejected either.. having 2 jobs means you can be tank when someone's absent and yet be a DD when they have enough tanks makes you a more attractive player to linkshells.

of course jobs like blm brd rdm smn etc etc are much more likely to get a good linkshell.

But remember, even tho its up to the linkshell whether they recruit you.. its also up to you whether you want to join :P

i don't think its as dark as noisea make it. of course everyone has their own opinions to things ^-^;

Edited, Jul 26th 2006 at 1:41am EDT by SpiraTheWhm