Torrence wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out what rights are being infringed by this.
Um... Property rights for one? We start with the right to do with our property as we will, with the only restriction being uses of that property which infringe other people's rights. So the government can tell you that you can't legally run a person over with your car. It can't, however, tell you that you must give that person a free ride. Surely you can see why this has to be so, otherwise we kinda have to chuck out the notion that we have any rights at all.
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No one is telling the owners of Hobby Lobby they can't practice their religion.
Of course you are. You're are requiring them to perform an action which is in direct violation of their religious beliefs.
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They just can't force everyone else to practice it as well.
Hobby Lobby is not demanding that their employees not use contraceptives. They are simply asking that they not be required to pay for them. Please tell me you can see the difference?
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Corporations don't have the right to control their employees' reproductive systems. They don't tell their employees they can't go out and buy condoms with their salaries, why can they dictate any other part of the benefits package?
Read above. They're not telling their employees what they can do with their own money. They're saying that they shouldn't have to buy it for them. Again, it's shocking to me how many people honestly seem to be unable to see the difference in this. It's the difference between it being illegal to steal a sandwich from someone and it being illegal to not give a sandwich to someone. You can't rationally legislate positive rights because eventually you will run into absurd conditions that can't be resolved.
I also find it bizarre that you see not taking any action regarding someone's purchasing decisions "controlling their reproductive systems", but the government mandating what health care benefits must be provided is somehow less controlling? That makes no sense. You get that by having the mandate, the government is basically in the position of deciding what your health care consists of, right? Before, you could choose to buy whatever you wanted. Now, you no longer have that choice. But it's the opposition that's trying to control you?
That's completely backwards.
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Hobby Lobby is going to lose, they will have spent a boatload of money, and they probably will have lost a lot of good employees. There's far more people on the right side of this issue than on your side. It's just a huge waste of time and money for absolutely nothing, but you know what? I'll take another victory for women's' rights.
You actually think this is a women's rights issue? Wow.
Edited, Mar 27th 2014 1:58pm by gbaji