Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
id you mean to say "wouldn't have a comprehensive immigration plan"
No, I meant we
WOULD have a comprehensive immigration plan.
A major argument AGAINST gun control is that there are too many illegal guns in the streets and it's impossible to gather and remove them all.
No. That's not true at all. I'm not aware of anyone making that argument, except maybe in a very sideways manner in the form of "if you criminalize gun ownership, then only criminals will own guns". Um... But that has nothing to do with the number of illegally owned guns. It's a true statement even if that number is 1.
The argument against gun control is that gun ownership is a protected right, and that guns allow people to protect themselves, and thus should not be taken away without far more cause than "we don't like people owning guns".
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If the GOP saw illegal immigrants as "too many to gather and deport", they wouldn't oppose immigration measures such as DACA.
Huh? No. That's not true at all. That's actually kind of insane. I don't doubt that the strategy of the Left with regard to illegal immigration is to make it as easy to enter illegally and stay illegally as possible so as to make the problem as big as possible, in the hopes that this will require some kind of solution. And I'm not really sure what they want with that anyway, total open borders? More likely the Left just wants to keep the problem as big as possible so that it can raise as much awareness as possible, so they can continue to use it to promote their "The GOP is a bunch of heartless, racist, phobic, anti-immigrants" narrative. They can't possibly actually think allowing millions of people to live here illegally (or just remove the legal restrictions on immigration entirely) is a good idea. So it must just be about the value of the issue politically.
Which I happen to think is not only incredibly short sighted, it's also incredibly harmful to the millions of people they're allowing to suffer in the limbo state they've created and perpetuated, just so they can use them as victims. That's just callous. But that's what the Left does. Victims are valuable to them. Why wonder that they want to make as many of them as possible?
Um... But no. The more illegals there are, the bigger the problem is, and the more the GOP wants to fix that problem. I think you're missing that this is the real reason for wanting more illegals. Cause, as I mentioned above, the more the GOP makes this a major part of their platform, the more the Dems can paint them in a negative light.
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They would just accept them, like they do with the illegal guns.
Uh... No. And no. Has GOP pressure to fix the border and resolve the immigration problems increased or decreased as the number of illegal immigrants has increased? It's increased. Clearly, you've got it backwards.
And we don't accept illegal guns. Where the heck to you get this stuff?
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Any movement to remove guns is a slippery slope to legal gun owners losing their guns.
If by "remove guns" you mean "make guns that were legal to own yesterday illegal to own today", then yes. Because that's exactly what it is. I assumed when you said "illegal guns", you were referring to things like automatic weapons, grenades, artillery, and a host of things that have not been legally allowed for private ownership for like a century or more. Or, you might have been referring to firearms used to commit a crime, perhaps. Or firearms owned illegally (by say felons, or the insane). Those are illegal guns. We don't accept them at all.
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If the same logic were applied to immigration, then any movement to remove illegal immigrants would be a slippery slope of denying legal immigration.
Again, that makes no sense. I get that many on the Left want to equate opposition to illegal immigrants as opposition to legal immigrants, but that assumes that the person in opposition just hates immigrants. Which, while a lovely bit of projective narrative, isn't the driving force for opposing illegal immigration. We oppose it because... wait for it...
it's illegal. As long as our immigration laws say that there's a set process for legally immigrating to this country, then we kinda should uphold those laws, or else they have no meaning. And the irony is that by enforcing the immigration laws, you're actually helping the legal immigrants. It's incredibly unfair to all of those people who went through the hopes of legally coming to this country, to have a bunch of people who broke the law doing so to be rewarded with permanent status. You get that legal and illegal immigrants are not the same "side" of this issue, right? I would hope so, at least.
If you want to argue for changing the immigration laws themselves, that's a whole different issue. But then, those who qualify under the new law are no longer "illegal immigrants", and we don't have a problem with them. The issue is that this isn't what the Left want's to do. They want to just not enforce the laws with regard to illegal immigration, create a problem, and then blame conservatives when we want to actually enforce the laws. You really don't get that this is all about abusing these people for a minor political gain? That's what the Left is doing here. It has nothing to do with wanting to help these people live better lives. If that was the case, they'd join Republicans on some kind of visa changes to help these people.
You really don't understand the issue, do you?
Edited, Oct 16th 2015 8:34pm by gbaji