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It's hard to see how Canada's gun laws could possibly have any greater impact on their rates of mass shooting events than US gun laws do. Thus, the differences in resulting rates kinda have to be the result of some other factors.
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Gun control is but one factor. We also don't have this ridiculous belief that we have a right to a gun. We're not nearly as polar as you guys are on pretty much anything. We have more social nets for people. Our law enforcement groups work together. In many cases, the federal law enforcement is also the provincial law enforcement (RCMP). It's a host of reasons, all which lead to Canada being better than the US (so long as you guys keep being our world police anyway).
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Jophiel wrote:
If my reason was "Blacks and Mexicans", I'd try and hide it with a lot of words, too.
gbaji wrote:
Which are *not* assault rifles since they are semi-automatic
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Are they long rifles?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
That's what she said.
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George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
This article attempts, and does a fairly decent job, at trying to explain the anomalous homicide rate (note, not the same as the "gun death" rate, which is massively skewed by suicide) in the US using publicly available data.
Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I disagree with some of his stuff but, really, my heart isn't in this right now. I only shot off a few responses last night because I was waiting on a high school choir concert to start.
On the plus side, I doubt Twiz honestly wants to argue with me anyway.
On the plus side, I doubt Twiz honestly wants to argue with me anyway.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Demea wrote:
This article attempts, and does a fairly decent job, at trying to explain the anomalous homicide rate (note, not the same as the "gun death" rate, which is massively skewed by suicide) in the US using publicly available data.
Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
Edited, Feb 24th 2016 4:00pm by someproteinguy
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Well, yeah, the real problems are religion, education, and mental health but you guys won't fix those so maybe we should stop letting the mentally handicapped sad people have guns...
Uglysasquatch wrote:
gbaji wrote:
So pointing to the increased rate of shootings in the US and concluding that if we just passed tighter gun control laws, it would solve this problem, is likely barking up the wrong tree.
Our guns aren't "cool" so they don't become something people want to spend money on, as such few people have guns and the ones that do have them for very specific purposes (hunting) and don't really show them off or talk about them. There's no gun culture because we don't allow weapons to become toys.
Edit: That was to add to Ugly's comment, not respond to it.
Edited, Feb 25th 2016 12:02pm by Yodabunny
Yodabunny wrote:
Well, yeah, the real problems are religion, education, and mental health but you guys won't fix those so maybe we should stop letting the mentally handicapped sad people have guns...
Edited, Feb 25th 2016 9:26am by someproteinguy
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
The people that need to be fixed don't think they need to be fixed, so there's that issue too. I'd present an example, but it's just obvious.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Good thing is those people can be the suggestible type; bad thing is we're out of new continents to convince them to move to. How much longer until we can talk about "having a better life waiting for you" on Mars?
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
someproteinguy wrote:
Besides fixing people costs money, and we have a lot of people that need fixing, and the people who need fixing tend not to have much money to pay for it.
A lot of "It's a mental health issue" from the 2nd Amendment advocates; very little in ways of "Here's how we're going to massively expand mental health services and accessibility and work to destigmatize the idea of seeking mental health services so people are regularly taking advantage."
I guess maybe we could deregulate mental health services and let the free market decide who goes on a shooting spree.
Likewise, a lot of "It's because of poverty" without acknowledging that the other nations we're comparing to have robust social programs designed to keep people out of poverty and, hey, maybe that IS helping since they're not shooting one another as much either. Again, I suppose we can just eliminate the social programs we do have and wait for everyone to get themselves out of poverty and stop shooting people. I'll... be in my bunker during that period.
Edited, Feb 25th 2016 12:36pm by Jophiel
I guess maybe we could deregulate mental health services and let the free market decide who goes on a shooting spree.
Likewise, a lot of "It's because of poverty" without acknowledging that the other nations we're comparing to have robust social programs designed to keep people out of poverty and, hey, maybe that IS helping since they're not shooting one another as much either. Again, I suppose we can just eliminate the social programs we do have and wait for everyone to get themselves out of poverty and stop shooting people. I'll... be in my bunker during that period.
Edited, Feb 25th 2016 12:36pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I just offered a solution! It's a bit eugenics-y, but at the very least, shooters won't have quite the same sized crowds they did before. 
The things mass attackers have in common are that they are isolated and aggrieved. Neither of those is a mental health issue. They are social issues, difficult to identify and correct.
Background checks for mental health issues would by definition have to violate medical privacy laws.
The biggest and most intractable issue we have, vis a vis mass shootings, is not guns but the propensity to "solve" problems with violence.
Background checks for mental health issues would by definition have to violate medical privacy laws.
The biggest and most intractable issue we have, vis a vis mass shootings, is not guns but the propensity to "solve" problems with violence.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
The things mass attackers have in common are that they are isolated and aggrieved. Neither of those is a mental health issue. They are social issues, difficult to identify and correct.
Maybe Gbaji is on to something when he talks about "Buy everyone a puppy" laws!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Background checks will never work anyway. It's not the guy who has a history of issues you need to worry about so much as the guy sitting in his basement that's never been arrested and nobody really knows exists.
You can't beat crazy, just get rid of the damn guns so crazy doesn't mean massacre.
You can't beat crazy, just get rid of the damn guns so crazy doesn't mean massacre.
lolgaxe wrote:
The people that need to be fixed don't think they need to be fixed, so there's that issue too. I'd present an example, but it's just obvious.
/heh
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Samira wrote:
The biggest and most intractable issue we have, vis a vis mass shootings, is not guns but the propensity to "solve" problems with violence.
Must be all that gangster rap the kids listen to nowadays. They should have more positive musical role models like I did: Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Scott Weiland, etc.
Jophiel wrote:
On the plus side, I doubt Twiz honestly wants to argue with me anyway.
Don't tease.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I owe my moral compass to the musical stylings of Robert Van Winkle.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
There was gangster rap in the 90's but Twiz was too white to notice.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
90's rap is my jam, homie.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Word.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
This thread is now about 90's rap. That's just how we do it.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
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