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#27 Feb 24 2016 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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It's hard to see how Canada's gun laws could possibly have any greater impact on their rates of mass shooting events than US gun laws do. Thus, the differences in resulting rates kinda have to be the result of some other factors.
Gun control is but one factor. We also don't have this ridiculous belief that we have a right to a gun. We're not nearly as polar as you guys are on pretty much anything. We have more social nets for people. Our law enforcement groups work together. In many cases, the federal law enforcement is also the provincial law enforcement (RCMP). It's a host of reasons, all which lead to Canada being better than the US (so long as you guys keep being our world police anyway).
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#28 Feb 24 2016 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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If my reason was "Blacks and Mexicans", I'd try and hide it with a lot of words, too.
But it's not faaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiir.
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Which are *not* assault rifles since they are semi-automatic
M16 and M4 are semi-automatic and assault rifles.
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#29 Feb 24 2016 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Are they long rifles?
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#30 Feb 24 2016 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's what she said.

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#31 Feb 24 2016 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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This article attempts, and does a fairly decent job, at trying to explain the anomalous homicide rate (note, not the same as the "gun death" rate, which is massively skewed by suicide) in the US using publicly available data.

Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
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I disagree with some of his stuff but, really, my heart isn't in this right now. I only shot off a few responses last night because I was waiting on a high school choir concert to start.

On the plus side, I doubt Twiz honestly wants to argue with me anyway.
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#33 Feb 24 2016 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Demea wrote:
This article attempts, and does a fairly decent job, at trying to explain the anomalous homicide rate (note, not the same as the "gun death" rate, which is massively skewed by suicide) in the US using publicly available data.

Long story short: most of the difference between the US rate and that of other developed nations isn't due to the wider availability of guns.
Yeah but unfortunately pointing to vague cultural and societal differences to explain an apparent gap in the data doesn't help much either. "Ban Guns" is a much more effective rally cry. It's something people "can fix" without too much change for most Americans. Admitting that we're a country with a relatively large percentage of mentally unstable nutjobs with poor medical care is a bit tougher problem to fix. Not like Europe is eager to get all of its various societal rejects and religious wackos back.

Edited, Feb 24th 2016 4:00pm by someproteinguy
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#34 Feb 25 2016 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, yeah, the real problems are religion, education, and mental health but you guys won't fix those so maybe we should stop letting the mentally handicapped sad people have guns...
#35 Feb 25 2016 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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So pointing to the increased rate of shootings in the US and concluding that if we just passed tighter gun control laws, it would solve this problem, is likely barking up the wrong tree.
We have rifles and shot guns. We don't all own assault rifles and/or hand guns.


Our guns aren't "cool" so they don't become something people want to spend money on, as such few people have guns and the ones that do have them for very specific purposes (hunting) and don't really show them off or talk about them. There's no gun culture because we don't allow weapons to become toys.

Edit: That was to add to Ugly's comment, not respond to it.

Edited, Feb 25th 2016 12:02pm by Yodabunny
#36 Feb 25 2016 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, yeah, the real problems are religion, education, and mental health but you guys won't fix those so maybe we should stop letting the mentally handicapped sad people have guns...
That would be against freedom, or something. Besides fixing people costs money, and we have a lot of people that need fixing, and the people who need fixing tend not to have much money to pay for it. Which means it's not a high priority. So we'll put the money into something like cancer research that is more likely to benefit old white people with money instead. Better return on investment and such if you help people that can pay for the services right?

Edited, Feb 25th 2016 9:26am by someproteinguy
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#37 Feb 25 2016 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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The people that need to be fixed don't think they need to be fixed, so there's that issue too. I'd present an example, but it's just obvious.
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#38 Feb 25 2016 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good thing is those people can be the suggestible type; bad thing is we're out of new continents to convince them to move to. How much longer until we can talk about "having a better life waiting for you" on Mars?
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#39 Feb 25 2016 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Besides fixing people costs money, and we have a lot of people that need fixing, and the people who need fixing tend not to have much money to pay for it.
We could always wait until there's a free event down at the vet to get all these people fixed. They have like four a year or something at most reputable ones.
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A lot of "It's a mental health issue" from the 2nd Amendment advocates; very little in ways of "Here's how we're going to massively expand mental health services and accessibility and work to destigmatize the idea of seeking mental health services so people are regularly taking advantage."

I guess maybe we could deregulate mental health services and let the free market decide who goes on a shooting spree.

Likewise, a lot of "It's because of poverty" without acknowledging that the other nations we're comparing to have robust social programs designed to keep people out of poverty and, hey, maybe that IS helping since they're not shooting one another as much either. Again, I suppose we can just eliminate the social programs we do have and wait for everyone to get themselves out of poverty and stop shooting people. I'll... be in my bunker during that period.

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I just offered a solution! It's a bit eugenics-y, but at the very least, shooters won't have quite the same sized crowds they did before. Smiley: tongue
#42 Feb 25 2016 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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The things mass attackers have in common are that they are isolated and aggrieved. Neither of those is a mental health issue. They are social issues, difficult to identify and correct.

Background checks for mental health issues would by definition have to violate medical privacy laws.

The biggest and most intractable issue we have, vis a vis mass shootings, is not guns but the propensity to "solve" problems with violence.
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Samira wrote:
The things mass attackers have in common are that they are isolated and aggrieved. Neither of those is a mental health issue. They are social issues, difficult to identify and correct.

Maybe Gbaji is on to something when he talks about "Buy everyone a puppy" laws!
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#44 Feb 25 2016 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Background checks will never work anyway. It's not the guy who has a history of issues you need to worry about so much as the guy sitting in his basement that's never been arrested and nobody really knows exists.

You can't beat crazy, just get rid of the damn guns so crazy doesn't mean massacre.
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The people that need to be fixed don't think they need to be fixed, so there's that issue too. I'd present an example, but it's just obvious.
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#46 Feb 26 2016 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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The biggest and most intractable issue we have, vis a vis mass shootings, is not guns but the propensity to "solve" problems with violence.

Must be all that gangster rap the kids listen to nowadays. They should have more positive musical role models like I did: Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Scott Weiland, etc.

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On the plus side, I doubt Twiz honestly wants to argue with me anyway.

Don't tease. Smiley: inlove
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#47 Feb 26 2016 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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I owe my moral compass to the musical stylings of Robert Van Winkle.
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There was gangster rap in the 90's but Twiz was too white to notice.
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#49 Feb 26 2016 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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90's rap is my jam, homie.
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#50 Feb 26 2016 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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Word.
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This thread is now about 90's rap. That's just how we do it.
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