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"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
KinleyArdal wrote:
Ergo, "anyone who doesn't agree with me is not a scientist!" Now THAT is science right there. That's also excellent political rhetoric. "Anyone who disagrees with me is evil!"
Yeah, you completely missed the point. A biologist is a scientist, but she knows squat about climatology in the same way that a plumber is ignorant about biology. But explaining this is pointless, because you still won't understand what it means.
KinleyArdal wrote:
If you really believe the world is going to burn up...
You've been trained so well you'll deny something before you even know what it is.
KinleyArdal wrote:
I don't actually discount someone I've never heard of until I actually read what they say.
Nor do you understand that this is exactly what you are doing.
paulsol wrote:
I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.
Bad news: you're either ignorant or stupid. Good news: you get to choose!
paulsol wrote:
If we assume that GW is happening, can you or anyone else, say how much 'we' are contributing to it? And if 'we' are contributing, how much 'we' are contributing? And how fast is our contribution causing the worlds climate change??
Have you read any of the research journals by climatologists on the issue or do you just assume facts that contradict your ideas haven't been proved? I only ask to be polite, I already know the answer.
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Not so long ago, the concensus of the scientific community was that the human beings lungs would burst if we travelled faster than 60 mils an hour.
Far be it for me to dispute the findings of the scientific community tho........
What a non-answer. So there is no reason for you to dispute man-made global warming other than you wish it to be that way. Okay sparky. Have fun surfing.
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You do what you like. But going along with the majority of the scientific community because they are the majority is not what debating is all about
You don't understand debating then, paulsol. Basically, when things are well-established in the relevant scientific community--like global warming, the person discrediting it has the burden of proving their point. It's the same way that in an argument about evolution, the burden is on someone who doesn't believe in it to justify their point or that we pretty much know that blood letting isn't an effective treatment for tuberculosis and if you still believed in that treatment, it'd be up to you to justify it. My side has the weight of expert consensus. You have nothing but what you figure, in your non-scientific way.
Edited, Mar 2nd 2009 4:19pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Allegory wrote:
paulsol wrote:
I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.
Bad news: you're either ignorant or stupid. Good news: you get to choose!
paulsol wrote:
If we assume that GW is happening, can you or anyone else, say how much 'we' are contributing to it? And if 'we' are contributing, how much 'we' are contributing? And how fast is our contribution causing the worlds climate change??
Have you read any of the research journals by climatologists on the issue or do you just assume facts that contradict your ideas haven't been proved? I only ask to be polite, I already know the answer.
Isn't it unfortunate that people who don't believe the same things you do get the same amount of importance given to their vote?
I suppose it's easy to feel frustrated, living in Texas an all.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
I'm not sure what you think you are getting at Iamadam. My personal opinion on this issue is as irrelevant as anyone else here, but I'm choosing to side with the world community of climatologists rather than against them.
Edited, Mar 2nd 2009 4:58pm by Allegory
Edited, Mar 2nd 2009 4:58pm by Allegory
Allegory wrote:
I'm not sure what you think you are getting at Iamadam. My personal opinion on this issue is as irrelevant as anyone else here, but I'm choosing the side with the world community of climatologists rather than against them.
Your opinion is very relevant and it shows in the passion of your posts. I'm sure that you would have more success in convincing others of your position if you empathized with them instead of belittling and dismissing them. Until then, you're just spouting the same rhetoric that we've all heard before.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
Your opinion is very relevant and it shows in the passion of your posts. I'm sure that you would have more success in convincing others of your position if you empathized with them instead of belittling and dismissing them. Until then, you're just spouting the same rhetoric that we've all heard before.
Normally you would be correct. I have difficulty with argumentative empathy. However, in this situation my demeanor is irrelevant. I posted a link that essentially says "All the world's scientists agree on this issue." In that situation no amount of sugar or spice matters.
If someone says "prove leprechauns exist," and I pull a leprechaun from my trousers it doesn't matter whether I'm nice about it or a jerk. The person is either a slightly rational individual or has chosen to ignore reality completely.
Allegory wrote:
I posted a link that essentially says "All the world's scientists agree on this issue."
Sure, if that's how you want to interpret it, rock on!
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
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Have you read any of the research journals by climatologists on the issue
A couple yes.......
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I already know the answer.
Daniel Boorstin said:
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The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge.
The surf was great! Thanks for asking....
And you know what?
The sea level rose nearly 2 whole meters!!!! While I was in the water!!!!11!111!!!
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Luckily the tide is going back out again now tho, so panic over!
Edited, Mar 3rd 2009 2:39am by paulsol
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Allegory wrote:
If someone says "prove leprechauns exist," and I pull a leprechaun from my trousers it doesn't matter whether I'm nice about it or a jerk. The person is either a slightly rational individual or has chosen to ignore reality completely.
If you pull a leprechaun from your trousers, I think you may need to talk with Chris Hansen.
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
Sure, if that's how you want to interpret it, rock on!
Tell me how it could be reasonably interpreted any other way.
Paulsol wrote:
A couple yes.......
Then you wouldn't mind linking me to the couple which supported your opinion.
Global warming is a myth. Just ask this guy:
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Iamadam wrote:
Your opinion is very relevant and it shows in the passion of your posts. I'm sure that you would have more success in convincing others of your position if you empathized with them instead of belittling and dismissing them. Until then, you're just spouting the same rhetoric that we've all heard before.
I hang my head in shame, because this is right and I forget it periodically, though I really should not.
Edited, Mar 3rd 2009 11:39am by KinleyArdal
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/global-warming-pause.html
Discovery yesterday. So much blogging, only 16 hours awake...
Discovery yesterday. So much blogging, only 16 hours awake...
I'm not understanding why you linked that article. Not only is it published by Discovery News, but in it Mr. Swanson concludes "Thirty years of greenhouse gas radiative forcing will still be there and then bang, the warming will return and be very aggressive." I don't udnerstand your objective.
Allegory wrote:
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
Sure, if that's how you want to interpret it, rock on!
Tell me how it could be reasonably interpreted any other way.
I would actually ask you how you can reasonably interpret it that 'every' scientist signed it, because there is no way that every scientist could or would sign it.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
I would actually ask you how you can reasonably interpret it that 'every' scientist signed it, because there is no way that every scientist could or would sign it.
I tend to get lazy about my qualifiers when they don't practically matter, saying "Almost every climatologist in the world save a few fringe persons agree," just doesn't have pizazz.
It's a joint statement affirmed by the academy of science of your nation, the UK, China, India, Belgium, France, Sweden, etc.
There will always be dissenters, but there are not enough of them to take their opinion seriously.
Allegory wrote:
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
I would actually ask you how you can reasonably interpret it that 'every' scientist signed it, because there is no way that every scientist could or would sign it.
I tend to get lazy about my qualifiers when they don't practically matter, saying "Almost every climatologist in the world save a few fringe persons agree," just doesn't have pizazz.
It's a joint statement affirmed by the academy of science of your nation, the UK, China, India, Belgium, France, Sweden, etc.
There will always be dissenters, but there are not enough of them to take their opinion seriously.
And I believe that they are important enough to take their opinions seriously. Not so much to the place where I'll stand up and scream that global warming is a myth, but that I'm willing to listen to what they have to say just as much as the true believers.
I would interpret that document as numerous scientists agreeing on the one topic. While there is weight in that, it is not enough for me to take the 'all or nothing' stance on the subject that many people have taken.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Is 1 dissenter out of every 100 climatologists acceptable, 1/10,000, 1/1,000,000? It's your choice where to draw the line, but I believe that for whatever reason you are choosing to set an unreasonably small criteria for what constitutes a consensus. I'm not even sure if the theory of evolution fits your standards for consensus.
Allegory wrote:
Is 1 dissenter out of every 100 climatologists acceptable, 1/10,000, 1/1,000,000? It's your choice where to draw the line, but I believe that for whatever reason you are choosing to set an unreasonably small criteria for what constitutes a consensus. I'm not even sure if the theory of evolution fits your standards for consensus.
That's okay, because like you said I get to draw the line for my own belief system. It's a line that moves with the side of the bed I wake up on, and there's nothing you can do to affect it.
And for the record, I do fully believe in the theory of evolution. Maybe when the theory of man-made global warming is around long enough, I'll fully believe in it too. Until then, I'll keep my mind open to new thinking and ideas.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
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That's okay, because like you said I get to draw the line for my own belief system. It's a line that moves with the side of the bed I wake up on, and there's nothing you can do to affect it.
And for the record, I do fully believe in the theory of evolution. Maybe when the theory of man-made global warming is around long enough, I'll fully believe in it too. Until then, I'll keep my mind open to new thinking and ideas.
Nicely put, Sir!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
If anyone has a point to make about anthropogenic climate change that hasn't been covered here or here, lemme know, kk?
I got more snow this year, this warming stuff is a crock.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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