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#1 Apr 15 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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Was reading up on a CNN article with a rather sensational title:
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What if pills could relieve addiction? They can.

CENTRAL FALLS, Rhode Island (CNN) -- A no-frills bar called Goober's, just north of Providence, Rhode Island, is probably the last place you'd expect to find a debate over cutting-edge addiction therapy. But this is where Walter Kent, a retired mechanic, spends his Fridays. He helps in the kitchen and hangs out in the bar, catching up with old friends.

Most addiction specialists would call this playing with fire, or worse. That's because for more than 30 years, Kent was a hard-core alcoholic. His drinks of choice were Heineken beer and Jacob Ginger brandy, but anything with alcohol would do.

"It's like a little kid wanting a piece of candy. You see it, you want the taste of it." He closes his eyes and sniffs the air, remembering the feeling. "You can be by yourself, and all of a sudden get even a hint of alcohol, just the smell of it, and say, 'Oh, I need a drink.' That sensation is not something you can get rid of."

But today, Kent isn't tempted in the least. He says the credit goes to a prescription medication -- a pill called naltrexone. It's part of a new generation of anti-addiction drugs that may turn the world of rehab on its head.

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These findings highlight what's become increasingly clear: Addiction is a brain disease, not just a failure of willpower. Naltrexone and topiramate have slightly different mechanisms, but both seem to block the release of brain chemicals that are linked to pleasure and excitement. Unlike earlier drugs used to treat alcoholics, neither is addictive or carries significant side effects. It does appear that each might work better in certain subgroups -- topiramate for repeat relapsers, and naltrexone in people with a strong family history of alcoholism.

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Despite studies showing effectiveness, established rehab programs have been slow to adopt the use of medication. At Hazelden in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a small proportion of patients receive anti-addiction drugs, but medical director Dr. Kevin Clark says the traditional model -- based on intensive therapy and the 12 steps popularized by Alcoholics Anonymous -- is still best. "It is a disease of the brain, but it's a multifaceted disease. It has a spiritual component, a behavioral component to it," says Clark. "Our experience tells us that having the network of support and recovery is what really makes the difference."

John Schwarzlose, executive director of the Betty Ford Center, echoes that but takes a more stringent approach. No patients at Betty Ford receive anti-addiction drugs as part of treatment, although a handful of long-time addicts may be referred to a prescribing physician once their stay is over. "Where we battle with [the National Institute on Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse] is when they say we have trials of a new drug, and then proclaim this is a treatment for alcoholism," says Schwarzlose. "They're smart people, but they're missing how complex this disease is."

This attitude frustrates Willenbring, who estimates that in the United States only one addict in 10 has even heard about medication options. "In most cases, the treatment is entirely nonmedical. Most people are not even told about the medications that are available for treating alcohol dependence, and I think that's a crime."

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Kent says naltrexone saved his life. When the COMBINE program was over, Kent's doctor told him to call if he felt the old need for a drink coming back. But it never came. "I have yet to go back and say, 'I have an urge for a drink,' " says Kent, lounging in Goober's. "[My friends] will offer, 'You want a drink?' And I say, 'No, I'm fine. I'll have a soda.' I'm fine with that. Because when there's no urge, no craving, it doesn't bother me. I'm living proof this can happen."


So, miracle drug that relieves addiction. Quack science or wave of the future? Anyone have experience with this? I know that AA has a notoriously low success rate (along the lines of 10-12%), and if addiction is an actual, treatable disease, this seems like a very good development.


Edit: Now links with the power of lemon!

Edited, Apr 15th 2009 4:16pm by LockeColeMA
#2 Apr 15 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Apr 15 2009 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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I recently read about such a drug (don't know if it was the same one) that worked by inhibiting the pleasure center of the brain. The problem was that it inhibited pleasure too broadly, leading to depression, etc.

#4 Apr 15 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, miracle drug that relieves addiction. Quack science or wave of the future? Anyone have experience with this? I know that AA has a notoriously low success rate (along the lines of 10-12%), and if addiction is an actual, treatable disease, this seems like a very good development.


It's like the article says: it'll be like Prozac. It'll work well for people who have an underlying physical attribute that makes addiction hook them much more readily than "normal" people. It won't work at all for people who don't share that characteristic. It may make some people worse.

Addiction is a treatable disease in some people. In others it may become treatable as the body of knowledge grows. In some proportion it will always be a deliberate choice based on self-destructive neuroses.

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#5 Apr 15 2009 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
#6 Apr 15 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
I wonder if they work on food or sweet additions?

*sigh* My bowl of sugar free candy is down to the yucky stuff I don't like -- cherry jolly ranchers and caramels. It's because my arctic berry lifesavers are so damn delicious, other people come to my desk and steal them.

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#7 Apr 15 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dunno, but at least with a sweet tooth you have the option of increasing your exercise to counter balance the extra calories. Pretty hard to work off the effects of binge drinking.

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#8 Apr 15 2009 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
Or switching to sugar free candy like my dentist made me :D
#9 Apr 15 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Doc gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney!


STIV quote wins thread.

My father overcame alcoholism by himself. I rather think that force of will, or lack thereof, is the primary question when it comes to addiction; I am very nervous about medicating societal ills on the scale we do in this era.
#10 Apr 15 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Trekkie wrote:
Doc gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney!


STIV quote wins thread.

My father overcame alcoholism by himself. I rather think that force of will, or lack thereof, is the primary question when it comes to addiction; I am very nervous about medicating societal ills on the scale we do in this era.

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These findings highlight what's become increasingly clear: Addiction is a brain disease, not just a failure of willpower. Naltrexone and topiramate have slightly different mechanisms, but both seem to block the release of brain chemicals that are linked to pleasure and excitement.


I agree with Samira; some people have a physical disease with addiction and others just don't have the willpower to resist. It sounds like these pills will help the physical portion. And it seems like a good amount of people have this, with the low success rate of therapy.

Interestingly I seem to remember an article on LSD curing alcoholism. Oh, here's the article: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/lsd-treatment-for-alcoholism-gets-new-look-11680.html
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According to one study conducted in 1962, 65 per cent of the alcoholics in the experiment stopped drinking for at least a year-and-a-half (the duration of the study) after taking one dose of LSD. The controlled trial also concluded that less than 25 per cent of alcoholics quit drinking for the same period after receiving group therapy, and less than 12 per cent quit in response to traditional psychotherapy techniques commonly used at that time.


Sounds like altered brain chemistry due to alcohol abuse causes the addiction for most people.

#11 Apr 15 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe. It's pretty clear that a lot of what we do alters our brain chemistry, for good or ill. How we eat, how and how much we sleep, what we do to entertain ourselves, how and how much we socialize all have long-term effects on our brains. Physical effects, evidenced by the production of and response to various chemicals.

What works for one person will not necessarily work for another person, and what works for one person at one time or with regard to one substance will not necessarily work for that same person at a different time or with a different substance.

While it's fantastic that one person is able to quit drinking/smoking/doing heroin with little or no effort, the obvious conclusion is NOT "so anyone else could, too." The plural of anecdote is not data.

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#12 Apr 15 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
Aye, I did indeed read the article, I still feel nervous about it, though.

This research might well be very well done, and I might be grasping at straws; just the sheer quantity of psychological drugs out there today make me leery of any new medication.
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Any chance you can link us to the original article?
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#14 Apr 15 2009 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Shoot, my bad. Added it in.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/15/addiction.cold.turkey.pill/index.html
#15 Apr 15 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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Treating addiction with drugs is not new. Methadone has been around a long time to treat opiate addiction. So called "miracle" drugs for dieting have been around for years. There is also Wellbutrin and Chantix to treat nicotine addiction. Years ago there was a drug (I'm sorry but I can't remember the name) for alcoholics that made a person very sick if they took a drink while on it. As previously stated, a drug that decreases or eliminates the pleasure hormones in the brain can lead to depression.

The use of drugs to treat any addiction is a slippery slope. All drugs have side effects, sometimes leading to more drugs to combat the side effects of the original drug. Where does it end?

As Americans, we tend to lean towards the "quick fix". Take this pill and you'll be cured. That's simply not the way things work. A pill will never replace diet and exercise. Most addictions, while having physical components, are also psychological.

As a smoker trying desperately to quit, I know that nicotine replacement alone is not enough. It takes a strong will to quit. I went four months with only a few days of a very low dose of Commit lozenges and a lot of will power. I started smoking again this past week. Stress broke me down.

I'm not saying that drugs can't help addiction, I just don't believe it can or should replace a good support system, counseling, and in some cases, a complete change in social behavior.

I know there are people that have quit many things "cold turkey" and I applaud them. I just don't believe they are the majority. As previously stated, everyone reacts differently to certain things. Often times there is a period of trial and error.

I wouldn't be too quick to judge a person by how many times it takes to get it right.

Then again, as someone trying to combat an addiction, I may be biased in my opinion.

edited for spelling and grammar.

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#16 Apr 15 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Years ago there was a drug (I'm sorry but I can't remember the name) for alcoholics that made a person very sick if they took a drink while on it.


Not quite the same situation, but one of my friends was an RA in college and set up a "Root Beer Keg" party. Yes, you can buy root beer in a keg. At the end of the night he put some Ipecac into the keg and invited anyone who wanted to experience what drinking too much is like to take a drink. He was the only one who drank it, and he spent the next 15 minutes throwing up.

Sorry, just made me think of that. Stop smoking!
#17 Apr 15 2009 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Antabuse was the brand name.

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#19 May 09 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
Naltrexone is (like naloxone) an opioid antagonist and as such makes not only opioids as painkillers and recreational drugs ineffective, but also endorphins (endomorphins). That can be equated to a full on opioid withdrawal at first, and it's used to speed up these withdrawals in cases where the patient is very heavily addicted (with narcosis).
I've known idiots who took naltrexone and/or naloxone to lower their endorphin tolerance, and it can make people suicidal. It does not interact with alcohol and the corresponding receptors, so I couldn't see how it should work for alcoholism and I'm too lazy to read up on it further right now.

They use buprenorphine for opioid addict treatment (it's a partial opioid antagonist, an agonist at one type of opioid receptor) and it works great for many.

From what I just read about topiramate, that's a substitution drug. It works in the same areas as alcohol, in a somewhat similar (albeit less dramatic) way, but circumventing GABA receptors and thus not being subject to the downsides of GABA-related drugs such as alcohol. So it's to alcoholics sort of like buprenorphine or methadone to opioid addicts, just more complicated to explain.
#20 May 09 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't make it past the word "Goober" bcz I broke into song about eatin' goober peas.
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When I feel like I'm getting addicted to something, I stop doing it. It was never hard for me.

Was hard for my dad, though.
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