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#27 May 07 2009 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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The president isn't the goddamn king, or the Pope, or anything other than another elected official. The Founding Fathers deliberately eschewed that sort of ceremony (hence why the president is referred to as "Mr. President" and not "Your Excellency" or anything like that.) No man, woman, child, or dog is required to stand or sit for Obama or W except the official White House pets and children.

Sure, it's a sign of courtesy or respect to stand or sit, and it's even formalized protocol in the courtroom or in church. There's no formal protocol that says they have to do it for the President though, meaning the reporters did it out of their own free will either way.

Think of it as protected First Amendment speech, in nonverbal form.


I actually think there is a protocol like that. I mean, they mentioned it in the West Wing, and I don't think they'd be that blatantly inaccurate. And Washington was referred to as Excellency.
#28 May 07 2009 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I love that this guy is arguing that the press made W a laughing stock.
#29 May 07 2009 at 5:24 AM Rating: Default
Arch,

I said no such thing. But like most liberals you read what you want into what is said.

I simply pointed out an example of the absolute disrespect the entire press showed W from the time he took office to when he left. That you choose to live with your head in the sand is your choice.
#30 May 07 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
Arch,

I said no such thing. But like most liberals you read what you want into what is said.

I simply pointed out an example of the absolute disrespect the entire press showed W from the time he took office to when he left. That you choose to live with your head in the sand is your choice.


I had to remove the filter to read your reply, does that not tell you something?

W made his own bed. He had poor foreign policies, poor domestic policies (I will add a caveat that I can only go on what we read in the UK), poor financial acumen and a shocking grasp of the English language. He made himself look a buffoon and the media capitalised on it.

What did you expect them to do? Telling people they have their heads in the sand because you don't agree with media reporting is a **** poor excuse.
#31 May 07 2009 at 5:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:
I simply pointed out an example of the absolute disrespect the entire press showed W from the time he took office to when he left. That you choose to live with your head in the sand is your choice.
That guy from Talon News liked Bush.
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#32 May 07 2009 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
I said no such thing. But like most liberals you read what you want into what is said.


Goggy always reeked of Tory to me.
#33 May 07 2009 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:

I simply pointed out an example of the absolute disrespect the entire press showed W from the time he took office to when he left.


Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

You're kidding, right?

After 9/11, the press did all but give W a reach-around for nearly two years in order to avoid being labeled divisive or unpatriotic. They've never trod so lightly around a president.

If history ever remembers W as anything other than an lazy, ignorant, trigger-happy warmonger, it's going to be because there's so much documentation where his administration was treated with kid gloves.
#34 May 07 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default
Arch,

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W made his own bed. He had poor foreign policies, poor domestic policies (I will add a caveat that I can only go on what we read in the UK),


Considering the brits know nothing about free speach I can understand why you're misinformed. H*ll you ban people from your country if they espouse conservatism.


Amby,

You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. I guess you don't remember that whole bit about what was W doing at the time 911 happened. I bet you remember what they said to. But like most liberals you have a bad case of selective memory.





Edited, May 7th 2009 10:28am by hangtennow
#35 May 07 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Considering the brits know nothing about free speach I can understand why you're misinformed. H*ll you ban people from your country if they espouse conservatism.


Conservatism? Although I do not necessarily agree with the Home Office's method of banning people, I'd rather have that than those Westboro twats camping soldiers funerals. I think you're confusing conservatism with extremism, I don't blame you, they are very similar.

hangtennow wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. I guess you don't remember that whole bit about what was W doing at the time 911 happened. I bet you remember what they said to. But like most liberals you have a bad case of selective memory.


He was in a school reading to school children. What's that got to do with the price of fish?
#36 May 07 2009 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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He was in a school reading to school children. What's that got to do with the price of fish?


See even the brits know. Do you know what the word spin means?
#37 May 07 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
Arch,

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He was in a school reading to school children. What's that got to do with the price of fish?


See even the brits know. Do you know what the word spin means?


Rhetorical questions on a forum is like pulling teeth. Make your point please.
#38 May 07 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Default
Archy,

Figure it out yourself. That's half the fun.

#39 May 07 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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What's the big friggin deal anyway, why do Dems reject vehemently that the media doesn't love hell out of Obama and hated Bush, everyone at the end of his presidency hated Bush. That's not NEWS. Why do Repubs make a big deal about it. In the grand scheme of things and at the end of the day:

1) what the hell difference does it make, people with 2 eyes and a rudimentary understanding of body language and context can see the love/hate between the two if it exists, drawing attention to it does nothing. If it exists the people will see it and draw their own conclusions.

2) who's going to change it? The media who reports the news is the same media who would write the story about the media bias...when's that story going to seriously come out, I mean really.

Maybe I'm just tired of hearing this ****. Dems embrace the fact the press loves Obama, Republicans will grit their teeth further. Repubs, act like it doesn't make a **** to you, maybe the press will stop sugar coating all things Obama.
#40 May 07 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAfJyzN3ak

This is why you can't believe a thing you hear from the media.
Any media?


That's right any media be they fox news or cnn or whoever.

Once you begin to recognize that every single station and reporter has an agenda the better off you will be.

It just so happens that most of the media are liberal democrats. Who knows maybe that will change in the future.






This is why I only rely on news from one source. Unthinking, unfeeling robots. The only agenda on a robot's mind is explained quite simply in the Daft Punk song Technologic.


I'd suggest checking out Robot World News. It's the #1 source of unbiased, analytical, and perfectly binary news in the world.

... pay no attention to the story about humans being assaulted by robots. There is nothing to worry about, the robot uprising is not real. There is no danger. Danger. Danger. DANGER.

#41 May 07 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Default
Tz,

Ever listened to Rush or Boortz?

#42 May 07 2009 at 7:04 AM Rating: Default
Bauran,

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maybe the press will stop sugar coating all things Obama.


Never going to happen. This is why we all need to take everything these people are saying and reporting with a huge grain of salt.

#43 May 07 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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Look! An article that describes how one man who owns and runs a zillion news outlets is a neoconservative Republican!
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/07/b122948.html

Varrus, all you're doing is exposing how weak-minded and easily manipulated you are. It's the right-side media that's attacking the left and you're just getting caught up in the rhetoric. Why not worry more about what you think than what Glenn Beck tells people to think.
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#44REDACTED, Posted: May 07 2009 at 7:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
#45 May 07 2009 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
Why don't you give people like Rush, Boortz, and Levine a chance before you automatically brand them? You might be surprised with what you hear.

A chance? A chance to what? Spew rhetoric all over me?

Sorry, I don't listen to pundits, I listen to news.
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#46 May 07 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
hangtennow wrote:
Why don't you give people like Rush, Boortz, and Levine a chance before you automatically brand them? You might be surprised with what you hear.

A chance? A chance to what? Spew rhetoric all over me?

Sorry, I don't listen to pundits, I listen to news.
Yeah, there was a time when "news" didn't mean "some dude's opinion on the news."
#47REDACTED, Posted: May 07 2009 at 7:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,
#48 May 07 2009 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Ash,

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Yeah, there was a time when "news" didn't mean "some dude's opinion on the news."


Now that's all it means. Every single news station/paper has their own agenda and point of view they're trying to get across.
There's no way you can call C-Span biased. It's almost 100% just un-commentated live coverage of politicians in action.
#49 May 07 2009 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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There's no way you can call C-Span biased. It's almost 100% just un-commentated live coverage of politicians in action.


I would, to a degree.

Ever see a documentry where they don't know they're being filmed, then watch the flip side where they do know?

Same group, whole different experiences. The cameras change things. Some ham it up. Even on C-Span.
#50 May 07 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, I've heard them on the radio. One of the few AM stations I can get clearly up here for local news and weather is a Fox affiliate. Don Imus is (intentionally) hilarious, but it's Beck, Coulter, Hannity and whomever was on at 7 that was amusing. The insane ranting about socialism and eating Army babies for lunch is such that I can actually hear the spittle and invective hitting their microphones.

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#51 May 07 2009 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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Michael Savage is pure win.

I've been in the car before explaining to my son that I listen to AM radio to get different viewpoints and thoughts even when I don't agree with them (he was asking why I was listening to some guy insult Obama). The other day Savage was on and I said "You know how I told you I listen to these guys for other viewpoints? This guy I just listen to for the laughs. He's ccrraaazzzyyyy..."
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