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Horrible. I hope death was swift. Here's to hoping they are able to retrieve the black box and find out what happened.
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I hope they do manage to find the black boxes - it's going to be bad enough for the friends and relatives who have lost loved ones, but I imagine knowing what caused it might help .
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It will be very difficult to recover the cockpit voice and flight data recorders given the depth of the ocean – more than 10,000 ft – and its mountainous floor, according to Paul-Louis Arslanian, chief of the French civil aviation ministry's bureau of investigation.
Investigators have around 30 days to find these boxes – which will give the clearest information about what happened – after which their homing devices will cease to function.
Investigators have around 30 days to find these boxes – which will give the clearest information about what happened – after which their homing devices will cease to function.
I hope they do manage to find the black boxes - it's going to be bad enough for the friends and relatives who have lost loved ones, but I imagine knowing what caused it might help .
Did the plane stall?
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The Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic killing 228 may have stalled after pilots slowed down too much as they encountered turbulence, new information suggests.
Airbus is to send advice on flying in storms to operators of its A330 jets, Le Monde reported today. It would remind crews of the need to maintain adequate thrust from the engines and the correct attitude, or angle of flight, when entering heavy turbulence.
Airbus is to send advice on flying in storms to operators of its A330 jets, Le Monde reported today. It would remind crews of the need to maintain adequate thrust from the engines and the correct attitude, or angle of flight, when entering heavy turbulence.
Comedic response: I blame David Copperfield.
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Yet another tragedy. I don't know if a storm could have caused such a large-scale failure. One hopes this isn't going to wind up as another terrorist act...
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Yet another tragedy. I don't know if a storm could have caused such a large-scale failure. One hopes this isn't going to wind up as another terrorist act...
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
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They are finding largeish floating intact chunks of aluminum frame interor, which usually, but not always would be indicitive of it breaking up in mid air. The fuel slick would suggest it ddin't explode necessarily, though a bomb far enough back in the hold might not have ignited the tanks. No bomb threat or claims of responsability would tend to rule that out somewhat, but the lone nutjob theory is still available.
The timeline is what gets me. The Airbus A330 has 4 redundant electrical runs from the engine and battery banks to the cockpit and controls. All 4 follow different paths downt he fusalage, and you would have to cut all 4 at once to completely disable the electronics onboard. I might accept the radio being knocked out by a lightning strike to the radome, since the maintenance message system uses a different antenna, but that might have impacted at most communications systems. The 14 minutes from initial event to total cascading failure almost has to be a hull breach of some sort. Maybe an outer aluminum fairing strip tore away, exposing the runs to water and lightning strkes? sudden sheer draft broke the back partially and the crack just worsened over time? Partial fuel tank ignition somehow due to improper grounding that somehow managed to not ignite the other tanks? Was the pilot dumping fuel, and a strike ignited the stream and blew the tanks but didn't ignite the fuel that was already dumped?
Somethign odd happened here that should not have happened to a modern brand new jet liner. we need to figure out what that was.
The timeline is what gets me. The Airbus A330 has 4 redundant electrical runs from the engine and battery banks to the cockpit and controls. All 4 follow different paths downt he fusalage, and you would have to cut all 4 at once to completely disable the electronics onboard. I might accept the radio being knocked out by a lightning strike to the radome, since the maintenance message system uses a different antenna, but that might have impacted at most communications systems. The 14 minutes from initial event to total cascading failure almost has to be a hull breach of some sort. Maybe an outer aluminum fairing strip tore away, exposing the runs to water and lightning strkes? sudden sheer draft broke the back partially and the crack just worsened over time? Partial fuel tank ignition somehow due to improper grounding that somehow managed to not ignite the other tanks? Was the pilot dumping fuel, and a strike ignited the stream and blew the tanks but didn't ignite the fuel that was already dumped?
Somethign odd happened here that should not have happened to a modern brand new jet liner. we need to figure out what that was.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The timeline is what gets me. The Airbus A330 has 4 redundant electrical runs from the engine and battery banks to the cockpit and controls. All 4 follow different paths downt he fusalage, and you would have to cut all 4 at once to completely disable the electronics onboard. I might accept the radio being knocked out by a lightning strike to the radome, since the maintenance message system uses a different antenna, but that might have impacted at most communications systems. The 14 minutes from initial event to total cascading failure almost has to be a hull breach of some sort. Maybe an outer aluminum fairing strip tore away, exposing the runs to water and lightning strkes? sudden sheer draft broke the back partially and the crack just worsened over time? Partial fuel tank ignition somehow due to improper grounding that somehow managed to not ignite the other tanks? Was the pilot dumping fuel, and a strike ignited the stream and blew the tanks but didn't ignite the fuel that was already dumped?
They were the test target for a new EMP based weapon.
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Turns out the debris wasn't from that plane:
Brazilian air force says debris was not from Air France crash
Brazilian air force says debris was not from Air France crash
LockeColeMA wrote:
Turns out the debris wasn't from that plane:
Brazilian air force says debris was not from Air France crash
Brazilian air force says debris was not from Air France crash
Kinda raises the question of which plane the debris was from though.
Lightning strike to the cockpit killing the flight crew could explain this whole thing. Lightning hits the cockpit, flight crew electrocuted, electrical systems fried (triggering and automated alarm from the redundant warning systems).
Yodabunny wrote:
Lightning strike to the cockpit killing the flight crew could explain this whole thing. Lightning hits the cockpit, flight crew electrocuted, electrical systems fried (triggering and automated alarm from the redundant warning systems).
The whole airplane is a Faraday cage. Basically, lightning will travel downt he path of least resistance, so it's not going to strike the nonconductive windows (or if it does it won't do anything), it's going to strike the aluminum aircraft skin and then spread around the skin surface. it literally cannot penitrate the aircraft interior unless there is a big gaping hole in the airplane that shouldn't be there. The electrical system is also not 1 electrical system, it's 4. you would literally have to try all four systems independantly. the cables are seperate and in different parts of the aircraft. Individual systems fried by a strike? sure. But a cascade failure, if it occured from lightning would have to be deliberate sabotage.
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Shaowstrike wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The timeline is what gets me. The Airbus A330 has 4 redundant electrical runs from the engine and battery banks to the cockpit and controls. All 4 follow different paths downt he fusalage, and you would have to cut all 4 at once to completely disable the electronics onboard. I might accept the radio being knocked out by a lightning strike to the radome, since the maintenance message system uses a different antenna, but that might have impacted at most communications systems. The 14 minutes from initial event to total cascading failure almost has to be a hull breach of some sort. Maybe an outer aluminum fairing strip tore away, exposing the runs to water and lightning strkes? sudden sheer draft broke the back partially and the crack just worsened over time? Partial fuel tank ignition somehow due to improper grounding that somehow managed to not ignite the other tanks? Was the pilot dumping fuel, and a strike ignited the stream and blew the tanks but didn't ignite the fuel that was already dumped?
They were the test target for a new EMP based weapon.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
We had a trainmaster lose 2 train engines in the yard (about 3 miles of tracks). A yard job, which is is supposed to be over, was using them.
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I respect the desire to avoid mis-statements and false reporting, but how many other jumbo jets have disappeared in the area recently that would make it difficult to determine if these particular plane seats and other items were from the missing jet? Yeah, it's @#%^ing confirmed.
False.
False.
Kavekk wrote:
I respect the desire to avoid mis-statements and false reporting, but how many other jumbo jets have disappeared in the area recently that would make it difficult to determine if these particular plane seats and other items were from the missing jet? Yeah, it's @#%^ing confirmed.
False.
False.
Hindsight's 20/20
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The whole airplane is a Faraday cage. Basically, lightning will travel downt he path of least resistance, so it's not going to strike the nonconductive windows (or if it does it won't do anything), it's going to strike the aluminum aircraft skin and then spread around the skin surface. it literally cannot penitrate the aircraft interior unless there is a big gaping hole in the airplane that shouldn't be there. The electrical system is also not 1 electrical system, it's 4. you would literally have to try all four systems independantly. the cables are seperate and in different parts of the aircraft. Individual systems fried by a strike? sure. But a cascade failure, if it occured from lightning would have to be deliberate sabotage.
Maybe a resonance cascade?
Just a thought...
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Shaowstrike wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The timeline is what gets me. The Airbus A330 has 4 redundant electrical runs from the engine and battery banks to the cockpit and controls. All 4 follow different paths downt he fusalage, and you would have to cut all 4 at once to completely disable the electronics onboard. I might accept the radio being knocked out by a lightning strike to the radome, since the maintenance message system uses a different antenna, but that might have impacted at most communications systems. The 14 minutes from initial event to total cascading failure almost has to be a hull breach of some sort. Maybe an outer aluminum fairing strip tore away, exposing the runs to water and lightning strkes? sudden sheer draft broke the back partially and the crack just worsened over time? Partial fuel tank ignition somehow due to improper grounding that somehow managed to not ignite the other tanks? Was the pilot dumping fuel, and a strike ignited the stream and blew the tanks but didn't ignite the fuel that was already dumped?
They were the test target for a new EMP based weapon.
UFOs have been known to affect electronics near them.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/09/air-france-crash-killed-two-prominent-illegal-arms-foes/
If the UFO or EMP weapon theories are a bit too far out for you, you can always go with this story about two passengers on the plane being heavily involved in fighting the illegal arms trade.
I'm fairly sure this is just coincidence myself especially since they're currently thinking it was a problem with air speed sensors on the plane and have replaced them on the other jets.
If the UFO or EMP weapon theories are a bit too far out for you, you can always go with this story about two passengers on the plane being heavily involved in fighting the illegal arms trade.
I'm fairly sure this is just coincidence myself especially since they're currently thinking it was a problem with air speed sensors on the plane and have replaced them on the other jets.
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It looks like the plane may have broken up over a few minutes, rather than in one giant explosion, due to distances between bodies found .
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
It looks like the plane may have broken up over a few minutes, rather than in one giant explosion, due to distances between bodies found .
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Meanwhile, two terror suspects who died alongside 226 other passengers on the stricken jet have been ruled out as a cause of the disaster.
The two individuals only "shared the same name" as known Islamic radicals, posthumous security checks found.
The two individuals only "shared the same name" as known Islamic radicals, posthumous security checks found.
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
fatalillusiontw wrote:
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
They probably did do the pre-flight checks, and they were cleared. But when the plane went down, they got a little worried and rechecked it.
That's my theory, at least.
fatalillusiontw wrote:
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It looks like the plane may have broken up over a few minutes, rather than in one giant explosion, due to distances between bodies found .
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
It looks like the plane may have broken up over a few minutes, rather than in one giant explosion, due to distances between bodies found .
Quote:
Meanwhile, two terror suspects who died alongside 226 other passengers on the stricken jet have been ruled out as a cause of the disaster.
The two individuals only "shared the same name" as known Islamic radicals, posthumous security checks found.
The two individuals only "shared the same name" as known Islamic radicals, posthumous security checks found.
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
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Elinda wrote:
This is called profiling. And yes it is done. (consider a terrorist with the last name "Jones").
You mean like Jeff Jones? The former Weatherman?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
While its great that these men are cleared , wouldn't it make sense to have done some pre-flight security checks ? Surely the names of terror suspects are flagged on the system at some point.While these men merely shared a name with the actual suspects, it does make me wonder how easy it is for a terrorist whose name is known to get onto a commercial flight .
The lunacy of checking names of people who board an airplane against a database of "suspect" people is beyond description. It accomplishes nothing, wastes time and money, and has various collateral effects.
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Seems this is a case of Fatal destination 
Poor woman, she survives a plane crash by missing the plane only to die a week later
Poor woman, she survives a plane crash by missing the plane only to die a week later
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