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#152 Jun 12 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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I really wonder how and what they teach ME History in the US.
In schools? They don't.


We studied it in History class, in the last year of "high-school". We read a bit about the background, the Ottoman Empire, Balfour, etc... Then we were given the two "version" of events, the Israeli one, and the Palestinian one. Sone nerdy kid asked the teacher which one was the "true" version of what happened, and the teacher replied: "Wait until one side has eradicated the other, and then you'll know."

He was a bit weird, in fairness.
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#153 Jun 12 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
Personally, I've never done any Middle Eastern history in school at all. Well, unless you count the Africa campaign of WWII.
#154 Jun 12 2009 at 6:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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We only ever covered the Middle East in world history as a footnote about the Crusades.
In the pre-university level, I think my education regarding the Middle East was restricted to ancient Egypt and a short bit about Xerxes.
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#155REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2009 at 6:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#156 Jun 12 2009 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
We only ever covered the Middle East in world history as a footnote about the Crusades.
In the pre-university level, I think my education regarding the Middle East was restricted to ancient Egypt and a short bit about Xerxes.


Did they show you the DVD of "300"?

Only kidding.

I meant VHS.
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#157 Jun 12 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Look at UK's health care system and ask yourself if that's really where you want the US to go.


Yeah, probably.
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#158 Jun 12 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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Look at UK's health care system and ask yourself if that's really where you want the US to go.


Yeah, probably.


Yeah, I'd have no problem with that at all.

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#159 Jun 12 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I really wonder how and what they teach ME History in the US.
In schools? They don't.


I had to wait until university to find out that Iran wasn't an Arabic country. I still don't know **** about the Ottomans.
#160 Jun 12 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
zepoodle wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I really wonder how and what they teach ME History in the US.
In schools? They don't.


I had to wait until university to find out that Iran wasn't an Arabic country. I still don't know sh*t about the Ottomans.


You could, I dunno, read a book about it? I mean, if you want to find something out, it's pretty easy.
#161 Jun 12 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
zepoodle wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I really wonder how and what they teach ME History in the US.
In schools? They don't.


I had to wait until university to find out that Iran wasn't an Arabic country. I still don't know sh*t about the Ottomans.


Most people go through their whole lives without realising Iran isn't an Arabic country. Which is quite ironic considering the whole Arab-Persian thing. I'm not sure there are many worst insults to an Iranian than calling him an Arab.

Also, the Persepolis movie rocked. I thought it would be crap compared to the comic book, but they did a really good job.
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#162REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2009 at 7:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#163 Jun 12 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Samy,

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Yeah, I'd have no problem with that at all.


Hope you like waiting for any kind of care.


If you can pay, it's instant. If you can't, you wait a bit and it's free. Also, cheaper than the US version on the whole.

If you take the French system, it's free and pretty much instant (although it's a bit more expensive for the state, but we make up for that by selling arms to our African ex-colonies, so it's all good).

What's there not to like?


Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:23pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#164 Jun 12 2009 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,

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Yeah, I'd have no problem with that at all.


Hope you like waiting for any kind of care.



You know, even if this myth of instantly available health care in the U.S. were true, I wouldn't mind waiting anyway knowing that my waiting meant that people had access to care.

As it is, I schedule routine exams a couple of months in advance anyway, so it's not a big difference to me. When I broke my arm I went to urgent care (like the ER but for the walking wounded) and waited all day anyhow; not like a change is going to make that worse.

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#165 Jun 12 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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As it is, I schedule routine exams a couple of months in advance anyway, so it's not a big difference to me. When I broke my arm I went to urgent care (like the ER but for the walking wounded) and waited all day anyhow; not like a change is going to make that worse.


I've been to A&E (like the ER but for the walking wounded) three times recently. I once had an infected tooth which was really painful, and I got to see the on-site dentist within 15 minutes. Another time I went there for a broken rib, and I waited 45 minutes. The last time I had a nasty fever, on Xmas day, and it took about half an hour. Never paid a dime. I <3 the NHS.
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#166 Jun 12 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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ERs and walk-in care clinics here are totally, totally overwhelmed because... wait for it... many people don't have access to regular, quality health care.

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#167 Jun 12 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
We only ever covered the Middle East in world history as a footnote about the Crusades.
In the pre-university level, I think my education regarding the Middle East was restricted to ancient Egypt and a short bit about Xerxes.


When I was in high school, we had a series of classes called "Rise of Western Civilization" which started in the fertile crescent area and extended onward.

We did learn a little bit, I can not tell you that I remember any of it, but we did learn it.
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#168REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2009 at 8:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah UK's healthcare system involves waiting for people to die so they don't have to deal with it.
#169 Jun 12 2009 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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As it does here. We just don't advertise it.

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#170 Jun 12 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
There is rationed care here in the US, but it's based purely on price.

My insurance is not accepted by one of the major hospitals here, and none of the clinics affiliated with that hospital take it either. That already cuts my options for healthcare in this town in half, even though I have insurance.

The other major hospital has three options for when I'm sick.

1. I can make an appointment with my family doctor, which usually requires a week's wait because appointments tend to be booked. If I'm checking on something that isn't urgent, this is what I do. It's the cheapest too; my copay is $35, which is totally reasonable. If he has to refer my to a specialist, however, I'm looking at a month or two wait, and they have to be one of my PPOs for my insurance to even consider it.

2. I can go to an Urgent Care center, which costs more than my family doctor but they'll see me today. My copay for this is more than the actual visit in many cases, so I end up paying this out of pocket. ($65 for a visit, my copay is $75, so unless I've got diagnostic testing, I'm screwed.)

3. Emergency room. $250 copay. I avoid this and have only gone once since I've lived here, when I had an abcessed tooth that had developed a boil. I'll save this for catastropic coverage in case I'm about to die or something.

Because these options are limited, I usually ignore my insurance and go with option 4: Public health department. It's cheap, it's same day walk in appointments, and I get better care there than I do at the freaking doctor's office. I'll be going there next Tuesday for my annual violation and for a refill of pills, and I can expect to pay under $100 for the whole kit and caboodle. A comparable visit at the private doctor would set me back well over $200, only a portion of which insurance would cover since my insurance doesn't do lab work.



Edited, Jun 12th 2009 12:22pm by catwho
#171 Jun 12 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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#172 Jun 12 2009 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I really wonder how and what they teach ME History in the US.
In schools? They don't.


I had to wait until university to find out that Iran wasn't an Arabic country. I still don't know sh*t about the Ottomans.


You could, I dunno, read a book about it? I mean, if you want to find something out, it's pretty easy.


Well, I did, after I started a course in Middle Eastern history. It's not like the information is unavailable. I wouldn't even need a book, I can get it off Wikipedia. It was really more that I never thought to ask the question. With the Ottomans it's really a case of not caring enough to put in the time.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 4:34pm by zepoodle
#173 Jun 12 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Did they show you the DVD of "300"?

Only kidding.

I meant VHS.
You meant...

"In ancient Greece, trouble was brewing for the Spartans."
*BOOOP!* click!
"King Xerses of the Persians was gathering an army."
*BOOOP!* click!
"Grain was an important crop in early history."
*BOOOP!* click!
...
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#174 Jun 12 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Did they show you the DVD of "300"?

Only kidding.

I meant VHS.
You meant...

"In ancient Greece, trouble was brewing for the Spartans."
*BOOOP!* click!
"King Xerses of the Persians was gathering an army."
*BOOOP!* click!
"Grain was an important crop in early history."
*BOOOP!* click!
...


Hahaha... I'm so old :(

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#175 Jun 12 2009 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I so just flashed back to grade school...

Although, it was more of a *click* ...whir... *click* *CHUNK* sound I think.
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#176REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2009 at 4:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So this is interesting, it's like everything we've been taught to hate and not be or do or say by our parents if our parents are of course God fearing moral conservative patriotic christian Americans has condensed into one huge evil agenda we call them democrats. We may as well replace their mascot with a representation of satan and let them dance under the full moon like we all know they want to. I'm not fond of Democrats I find them too whiny and full of problems when the solution to all their problems is just a bullet away from not annoying me by having to listen to them. But then i'm not overly fond of Republicans either they too like to whine and usually when the democrats do something to make them mad so one side provokes the other into action.
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