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#1 Jul 27 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential


Carter wasn't even this bad.

#2 Jul 27 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
You have to at least admit that fuddy-duddy Carter can't hold a candle to cute-as-a-button Obama in the looks department, though.
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#4 Jul 27 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

I wouldn't call that plummeting, rasmussen seems to be a weird sort of poll. Of course it's declining though, I'd have been surprised if it didn't.
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#5 Jul 27 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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#7 Jul 27 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential


Carter wasn't even this bad.
What, at reading?

The breakdown seems to be (RR apparently doesn't like showing the full breakdown, so I can't say if there's a "neutral" vote in the poll they use or what):

30% SA - 19% A - 10% D - 40% SD

which just implies that if you don't like Obama, you really don't like him. This is something that anyone who follows your posts would have taken as obvious to begin with.

Taking everything into account and using something slightly more reliable than just "difference between people who feel strongly" - specifically, 2 points for "strongly approve", 1 point for "approve", -1 point for "disapprove", and -2 points for "strongly disapprove" - Obama's score would be at -11. (By comparison, Bush's was at or below -11 from sometime in 2006 (or possibly earlier) on. His average over November of last year was -57.)

Also, considering that RR wasn't even around in the late 70s (it dates back to just before Clinton's second term), there's no way to say what their poll results would have been for Carter.

I suspect we'd see something more like:

14% SA - 17% A - 32% D - 36% SD

giving Carter a score of -59.

This is not necessarily saying that Carter was worse than Bush, that Bush was 5x worse than Obama, or anything of the sort. Mostly it's an example of how people's opinions tend towards the extremes in polls.
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#9 Jul 27 2009 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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(By comparison, Bush's was at or below -11 from sometime in 2006


So W was in his first term in 2006? That's news to me
You want to find me the Rasmussen numbers for this point in 2001, I'll give my analysis of them.

I'm pretty sure he was slightly behind what Obama's numbers were at because the gigantic spike in Bush's approval wasn't until September.
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So W was in his first term in 2006? That's news to me

Well, duh. Everything prior to that was Clinton's fault.
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#11 Jul 27 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
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Well, duh. Everything prior to that was Clinton's fault.


And everything after is the Democrat congress'.

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Well, duh. Everything prior to that was Clinton's fault.

And everything after is the Democrat congress'.

Now you're on the trolly!
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Again? What, did Michelle gain another forty pounds?
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential

Is anyone else curious about what the end of this quote was?
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I'd like to take this opertunity to once again remind our democratic voting populace: "This is all your fault. You've killed us. You stupid bastards, you have destroyed us all. I hope you are happy now."

We now return you to your regularily scheduled thread posting.
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publiusvarus wrote:
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(By comparison, Bush's was at or below -11 from sometime in 2006


So W was in his first term in 2006? That's news to me
You want to find me the Rasmussen numbers for this point in 2001, I'll give my analysis of them.


Here's a rundown of Bush approval numbers during his entire time in office. Some outliers aside, he was holding pretty steady around 55% right until 9/11.


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I'm pretty sure he was slightly behind what Obama's numbers were at because the gigantic spike in Bush's approval wasn't until September.


Nah. Doesn't look like he dropped below 50% during that time period, other than a couple polls at various points (which are pretty clear outliers). He also didn't start with something like a 62% approval rating either, so the drop for Obama is much much more significant.

To be fair, it's possible the Rasmussen poll is an outlier itself. Only time will tell, but it's pretty clear from looking at an "approve/disapprove" graph, that his numbers have pretty steadily dropped since just before his inauguration, and have shown no signs of stopping. It's not what I would call a "plummet", but it has been a steady decrease.


The other significant point to this (and yes Joph, I heard this on some news channel) is that this is the first time his numbers have dropped and held below those he received in the election. As one analyst pointed out, up until now the Obama camp could just dismiss the approval drop as McCain voters who initially got on board with a new president but don't really agree with his policies to begin with. Now, there's no way to avoid realizing that folks who voted for Obama last November have shifted from the "approve" to the "disapprove" column.

What exactly that means is anyone's guess. He's certainly losing a lot of popularity as the health care issue is going on, and didn't help himself at all with his remarks about the Gates issue.
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I'd like to take this opertunity to once again remind our democratic voting populace: "This is all your fault. You've killed us. You stupid bastards, you have destroyed us all. I hope you are happy now."

We now return you to your regularily scheduled thread posting.

Yeah, coming from a bastion of rationality like you, this is quite damning.

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What exactly that means is anyone's guess

It means that Rasmussen consistantly rates Obama 5-7pts lower than the other polls, consistantly rates his disapproval 8-15pts higher than anyone else and so those are the go-to numbers when you're trying to say "Less people approve than who voted for him!". That's not just for this poll; this has been the case for months that Rasmussen has had numbers that aren't even in the neighborhood with anyone else's. As off as they are now, they were even worse a few weeks ago. Rasmussen did a good job of the election polling and I'd look at them as a source to guess who was going to win a race but their opinion polling is obviously off kilter from everyone else's.

Beyond that, it doesn't mean much. Because they obviously didn't go with numbers from Gallup or the AP or ABC or Quinnipiac or Diageo/Hotline or McClatchy or even an aggregate number such as from RCP.

I'm not arguing that his approval numbers are going down but I'm amused at how the right wing runs to Rasmussen for all their approval polling needs.
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He's certainly losing a lot of popularity as the health care issue is going on

Possible. Hell, even probable. But, while the usual suspects were trumpeting the one poll saying that 49% ("less than half!") of those polled approved of Obama's handling of the health care debate, they were suspiciously silent of the same poll's findings that Obama still held a 20pt lead over the GOP when people were asked who they trusted more to lead in health care reform. I think his loss of popularity there reflects a weariness with the topic as a whole and people getting sick of it (heh) rather than a massive defection to any other side. People aren't terrified of socialized medicine or losing their doctors or whatever or else they'd be asking the GOP to save them. Instead, they're just sick of the omnipresent coverage.

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#21 Jul 27 2009 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Obama Approval Plummets


Because we all know a presidents popularity among the proles = how good a president he is.
#22 Jul 27 2009 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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(By comparison, Bush's was at or below -11 from sometime in 2006


So W was in his first term in 2006? That's news to me
You want to find me the Rasmussen numbers for this point in 2001, I'll give my analysis of them.


Here's a rundown of Bush approval numbers during his entire time in office. Some outliers aside, he was holding pretty steady around 55% right until 9/11.
Gee, thanks for-- now I have to make up guesses on the distribution between "strongly approve" and "approve" for the 55%, and "strongly disapprove" and "disapprove" for the remaining 45%.

Or you could, you know, find what I specifically was asking for and then I don't have to get simultaneously sarcastic and ****** at you.

For what it's worth, though, that 55% figure gives a range of anywhere from +65 to -35 for the score at that point.
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#24 Jul 28 2009 at 5:49 AM Rating: Default
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Because we all know a presidents popularity among the proles = how good a president he is.


If we learned anything from the W administration we learned this right?

#25 Jul 28 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Default
Jophed,

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It means that Rasmussen consistantly rates Obama 5-7pts lower than the other polls


Other polls? You mean the ones paid for by Democrat supporters?

H*ll you Democrats seem to think quoting cnn, abc, nbc, msnbc, npr, or cbs is good stuff.

Have you considered that the other sources are the ones projecting their bias?
#26 Jul 28 2009 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Have you considered that the other sources are the ones projecting their bias?


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