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Really? So you had no comment at all on Ted Haggart? You've never attacked Religious organizations and made great fun about Catholic Priests diddling alter boys? Sorry. I call BS.




Oh give me a break Smash. Are you telling me that this rank and file member just decided to help someone start a child prostitution ring all on her own? And that this was the first and only time? I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that someone does this their first time out. Her behavior indicated that this sort of thing is common. It's what Acorn does. Not just what she does.


The fact that this sort of thing can happen even once is sufficient reason to investigate the organization Smash. That it has happened twice in two different cities? You're kidding, right? This is not one person. It's a pattern of behavior in an organization. They have policies. They have objectives. The rank and file follow the instructions they're given in terms of what to do in which situations. Clearly, someone failed to inform Acorn workers that when someone comes in saying they are a pimp, or drug dealer, or prostitute, or some other criminal, you're supposed to refuse them help and perhaps call the police. Nope. Apparently, we provide them free stuff to help them cover their illegal activities.


That's what Acorn does Smash. And while you don't care, some of us do.




One at a time Smash. SEIU is next.


I guess I don't get why you think that you're somehow elevated because your side uses such evil tactics to "win". I personally would rather be on the right side than the winning side. I just find the false cheering of those who's only accomplishment was cheering kinda unfulfilling.

Really? So you had no comment at all on Ted Haggart? You've never attacked Religious organizations and made great fun about Catholic Priests diddling alter boys? Sorry. I call BS.

Hi, Catholics are overwhelmingly Democrats. Ted Haggard was the LEADER of the NAE. What I wouldn't have had comment on was Ted Haggard's retarded half cousin church janitor stealing communion wine.


Oh give me a break Smash. Are you telling me that this rank and file member just decided to help someone start a child prostitution ring all on her own? And that this was the first and only time? I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that someone does this their first time out.

Well, you are an idiot with a tenuous hold on reality, at best. What you "believe" hasn't passed for anything other than a curiosity for some years now.


That's what Acorn does Smash.

Yup. Little known fact, their motto is actually Pimpus sursum, meretrix mugio.

I guess I don't get why you think that you're somehow elevated because your side uses such evil tactics to "win". I personally would rather be on the right side than the winning side. I just find the false cheering of those who's only accomplishment was cheering kinda unfulfilling.

Sell it someone who doesn't have any influence in the Democratic Party. Someone who isn't me, in other words.

Why?



Two people should be sufficient evidence to induce a universal generalization for a lot of stuff then right? Let's see; I know significantly more than two people who are left handed in basically any population that I could care to talk about; it's a pattern within an organization. I suppose we should question everyone else as to their dominant hand.

Dude, we all make ****** inductions like this sometimes, but it's a good thing to try to at least fight it. I feel universally bad about myself whenever I say that "republicans" do something, if I bother to think about it for five seconds, and I know a lot more republicans than child pimp enablers.

When they're not trying to call it the Democrat Socialist Party, AMIRITE?

Which reminds me: I need work socks.

In the past members of the United States Government, Repuplican and Democrat both, dealt with drug smugglers/embezzlers/prostitutes/murderes. So by your logic we all do the same.

Ok. Then say it:


You would be willing to make it illegal to be a Catholic if by doing so you could provide free education, food, housing, and medical care to every citizen in the US.

Yes or no.


Cause you're indicative of who is runnings things at the White House right now, and I suspect that most people who identify themselves as liberals don't agree with a "yes" answer to that question.

You would be willing to make it illegal to be a Catholic if by doing so you could provide free education, food, housing, and medical care to every citizen in the US.

Yes or no.

Obviously the answer is yes. The anti-religion law would be overturned within a day, And there would be a pile of social programs kept.

Other than that, the premise is laughable out of touch with any semblance of reality.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 10:36pm by Timelordwho

That's funny. Cause the same argument was made when folks thought it just happened once:






Then it's uncovered that the same guy did the same sting in Washington and got the same results. Ooppsie.

Oddly, I failed to see Joph admit that he was wrong, despite the exact proof he demanded being provided.



I can forgive Joph and Locke. The presumably did assume this was just a one-time thing in one location. They've got serious egg on their faces. Put their by Varus no less, but it's understandable. Most people's initial assumption would be that this was one person doing something she wasn't supposed to do.


What's your excuse? How many videos of this happening at different locations will it take before you acknowledge that maybe there's something wrong with the organization itself? Cause for Joph (and maybe Locke) it appeared to be two. Now that there's two, you're still insist that there needs to be more proof? Really? How much more?


Lol. Might want to aim that stupid-detector at yourself there...

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 7:52pm by gbaji

Which doesn't prove that it's an organization-wide problem, with instructions coming from the top to enable pimps and child prostitutes.

You're still stupid.

EDIT - Because you still won't get it, this is what you're saying:

"I have video that it rained in Boston. I also have video that it rained in Dover. THEREFORE IT RAINED THROUGHOUT ALL OF NEW ENGLAND."

No. Wrong.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 11:18pm by CBD

Ok. Then why she did it?

Then... Tell me why the other woman in a different city did the exact same thing, when presented with the same scenario.

One you could dismiss as some whacko person doing something completely out there. Two people? At two different locations? In two different cities? The only thing they have in common is that they work for the same organization.


The evidence is that this happened in two different locations by two different people. How many times do you think this guy went to different acorn locations to try this sting? 5? 10? 20? 100? What percentage of those would you think is "normal" to have something like this happen?

What's the acceptable rate of employees helping people set up child prostitution rings? I'm honestly curious here. Cause it seems like "look the other way cause it's a liberal organization" is in the air today, and I want to know just how willing you are to look the other way.



She's not the only one who did it. Thus, she's not a "one-off". See how that works? Or did you miss that there are two cases of this going on right now?




Acorn taught them a set of procedures to follow to provide assistance, but failed to provide adequate training or oversight to prevent events like this.

Look. I'm not saying that the leaders of acorn specifically planned to help this couple start up a child prostitution ring, and it's irrelevant anyway. The point is that the institutional structure of acorn allows such things to happen, and it uses taxpayer dollars to do it.

They seem to be "looking the other way" just as you are. Someone has to be held accountable, right? That's all I'm asking for here. Yet somehow I'm a bad person for thinking that maye we should look at this organization a bit more closely? Really?

Whatever the objectives, it's clear that what is happening is that public money is being used to enable criminals to commit felonies. The idea that these two women are the only two in the entire organization doing something like this is absurd. This guy happened to stumble upon the only two? Statistically impossible.



Your whole anti-inductive argument is stupid and misses the point BTW. I'm not arguing that every single person working at acorn is engaged in helping people run a child prostitution ring, so feel free to disprove that strawman all you want. It's irrelevant. I am arguing that having discovered two such examples of such extreme cases of Acorn workers willing to overlook illegality when providing financial aid and advice is indicative of policies which either encourage such things, or at a minimum do not act strongly enough to prevent them.

The proof is that it happened twice in a relatively short amount of time. The proof is that what happened was not a minor thing, but something most people should find abhorrent to the point of turning them in the second their backs were turned. If there were two examples of someone helping a drug dealer get low income housing, you'd have a point. But these stings were designed to aim for pretty much the worst situation. If he was able to get two of those, it's a reasonable bet that lesser crimes are being ignored and/or aided at a much higher rate.


More to the point, it absolutely points to a culture within the organization that criminal behavior is to be ignored when dealing with their customers. You're correct that you can't make absolute claims with inductive arguments. You can, however, make relative claims. I can state that if there's a higher rate of X within one group than another, that there must be something about that group that increases the rate of X. I don't need to know what that is, but I can absolutely infer that it must exist.



Tell you what. I'll make another completely wild guess inference. If you were to send the same sting to a Church based charity which provides the same services these Acorn office do, how many times would you need to run the sting before you'd find someone willing to do what these two women did?


Would you guess that number to be higher or lower than the rate of attempts to successes against Acorn?

You could say the same about the Armed Forces. I mean, we've had reports of guys in there committing felonies, right? Even in the supposed course of their duties? Should we condemn the entire armed forces for it? Stop giving them tax-payer money?

The guy was going from place to place to place trying the same thing. Even if there were only two people, if you shake the tree long enough, they're going to fall out.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 10:24pm by Jophiel