Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America

#105 Sep 15 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good

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I'm sorry, but there is no stereotype of Americans having a large *****, no matter how hard you try to create one.

You seem to have a lot of welled up angst. Was Freud right?

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#106 Sep 15 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent

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Tarub the Hand wrote:

Would you see this movie if it came to the states?

I'd rent it.

And, by "rent it", I mean I'd add it to my Netflix queue, forget all about it then one day find it in my mail and say "WTF is this?"

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#107 Sep 15 2009 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent

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Well one thing's for sure, our generalisations > your generalisations.

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#108 Sep 15 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good

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RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Well one thing's for sure, our generalisations > your generalizations.

ftfy

#109 Sep 15 2009 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent

Samira

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RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Well one thing's for sure, our generalisations > your generalisations.

*My* generalizations are works of Art.

Yes, Art. I pay him quarterly.

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#110 Sep 15 2009 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good

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Samira wrote:

RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Well one thing's for sure, our generalisations > your generalisations.

*My* generalizations are works of Art.

Yes, Art. I pay him quarterly.

God I love you to death.

Smiley: laugh

#111 Sep 16 2009 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent

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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:

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Sure. But when someone points out that Jefferson owned slaves or that Columbus was pretty much just in it for the fame and money, no one calls them ignorant backwards thinkers and makes broad assumptions about their motivations.

Well, sure, but the larger point is that we ought not to care lots about what people thought then as part of their larger cultural paradigm, but should care more about how we can use the best bits of their omnibus, today, in our paradigm. I don't particularly herald Darwin because I'm not a Darwin scholar, but I've got no problem with conveniently forgetting whatever his faith might be to make evolution itself, which is much larger than Darwin now, more consistent with empiricism.

Sure. I agree completely.

I assume that you therefore disagree completely with a film in which the focus is entirely on his faith and how incompatible it is with his science, and how fortunately for us all our hero Darwin abandons faith for science?

Cause that's what this film appears to be about. Obviously, I haven't seen it. Maybe his struggle with his faith is accurately portrayed. No clue. But given the language in the article, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's not. And that's a safe bet given that by all historical accounts, he never actually "struggled" with his faith at all. At least not in the context of his scientific work. He became agnostic later in life, not because of the death of his daughter, and not because of some conflict between his work and his faith, but out of a pretty rational and normal agnostic realization that all the various faiths on the planet can't all be right, so maybe it's not so important to obsess on the details of any specific dogmatic paradigm.

Edited, Sep 16th 2009 8:40pm by gbaji

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#112 Sep 16 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent

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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:

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a silly theory with a serious lack of evidence to support it despite over a century of trying

Can't get that one though.

We're 98% monkey, but we're also 80% fish. Excuse me, I need to go swimming.

#113 Sep 16 2009 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent

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manicshock wrote:

Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:

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a silly theory with a serious lack of evidence to support it despite over a century of trying

Can't get that one though.

We're 98% monkey, but we're also 80% fish. Excuse me, I need to go swimming.

We're also 48% broccoli. Go and sit in a salad.

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#114 Sep 16 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good

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I assume that you therefore disagree completely with a film in which the focus is entirely on his faith and how incompatible it is with his science, and how fortunately for us all our hero Darwin abandons faith for science?

Guess so. It doesn't make sense from any angle anyway.

If he was an atheist, then respect that logic and don't deify him.
If he was a theist (okay, christian), respect that tradition and don't deify him.

#115 Sep 16 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good

Debalic

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Samira wrote:

I'd see it. I think Darwin is interesting.

I might have to risk another sternly-worded letter from Optimum and download it, if it's not gonna be released in the States.

This thread is about a movie, right? I kinda lost it at the end of page 1.

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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

#116 Sep 17 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent

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I'm protesting this movie because I want it to fail so maybe Jennifer will divorce this douche and I'll still have a chance (regardless of how slim it is).

Edited, Sep 17th 2009 12:28pm by Uglysasquatch

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#117 Sep 21 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent

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I like this girl.

And her accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmHN3JtyUXg&feature=popular

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