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#1 Sep 18 2009 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
In a couple other active threads, we've seen our more conservative posters defending Halliburton's waste/loss of billions of dollars as "ok" because they support our military while at the same time, vilifying Acorn for wasting millions; especially in the light of the recent exposes. The more liberal posters defend Acorn as an organization stating mostly that it's a few bad apples in the bunch trying to get these "pimps & hos" some free government $, while the more conservative posters feel that these 5 Acorn employees are indicative of an overall atmosphere within Acorn of attempting to defraud the government.

I in turn, present to you the case of Jaime Leigh Jones & ask the question: What do you feel is worse?

1- All: Halliburton/KBR (it's subsidiary at the time of these allegations) or Acorn?

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2- Conservatives: If you feel that these 5 Acorn workers are truly indicative of an atmosphere of defrauding the government within the Acorn organization, with no proof thus far that the higher ups in the organization approve of these methods, what do the facts in the case of Jaime Leigh Jones say about Halliburton/KBR?

There were new developments in the case yesterday, which I'll get too, but here are the facts, & link, from Fox News for you:

Fox News wrote:
Jones began working for KBR as an administrative assistant in 2004 when she was 19, but later transferred to Iraq with another Halliburton subsidiary, according to her lawsuit.

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Beaumont, claims Jones lived in a coed barracks and, after enduring harassment from some of the men in the quarters, was drugged and raped July 28, 2005. Her attackers were Halliburton and KBR firefighters, the suit claims.


Now, that doesn't really go into detail, so let me expand on this a bit from the wiki:

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According to Jones, on July 28, 2005, several KBR offered her a drink containing a date rape drug, which she took two sips of. The men then engaged in unprotected **** and vaginal gang-rape with her while she was unconscious. She was able to name one of her attackers based on his confession to her, but was unable to identify the others due to her unconsciousness. Further, the lawsuit filed by Jones' attorneys cites the following: "When she awoke the next morning still affected by the drug, she found her body naked and severely bruised, with lacerations to her ****** and ****, blood running down her leg, her breast implants ruptured, and her pectoral muscles torn – which would later require reconstructive surgery. Upon walking to the rest room, she passed out again."[4] Jones' account was confirmed by U.S. Army physician Jodi Schultz.[5] Schultz gave the rape kit she used to gather evidence from Jones to KBR/Halliburton security forces, after which the rape kit disappeared for a while.[6]

Jones was confined by armed guards to a shipping container containing only a bed, under the orders of her employer, KBR. She says she was denied food, water, and medical treatment. After about one day, says Jones, a sympathetic guard gave her a cell phone and she called her father, Tom, who in turn contacted Representative Ted Poe (R-TX) who contacted the State Department. Agents were dispatched from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and removed Jones from KBR custody.

In May 2007, a State Department diplomat recovered the rape kit from Halliburton/KBR. However, notes and photographs taken by Schultz (of Jones the morning following her rape) were missing, undermining any chances of bringing the case through the criminal courts


Now, I think we can admit this is a horrible thing to happen to her & that it's a travesty that none of these people will face justice. Also, because of the horrible wounds she received, we can rule out any sort of "it may have been consensual" argument.

This women was brutally raped, that is a fact.
It is also a fact that she was subsequently locked in a shipping container by Halliburton/KBR, that a rape kit was administered that further proved she was raped, it was subsequently lost, & later it found missing a lot of the evidence that had been collected.

So she attempted to sue Halliburton/KBR.

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Article wrote:
Her legal saga started after Halliburton failed to take any action against her alleged attackers, and the Justice Department and military also failed to prosecute. Jones then tried to sue the company for failing to protect her. But thanks to an employment contract created during the tenure of former Halliburton CEO **** Cheney, Jones was forced into mandatory binding arbitration, a private forum where Halliburton would hire the arbitrator, all the proceedings would be secret, and she'd have no right to appeal if she lost.

Data from the American Arbitration Association showed that Halliburton won more than 80 percent of its cases in arbitration, and when I looked at the data two years ago, it showed that out of 119 cases Halliburton arbitrated over a four-year period, only three resulted in the employee actually winning any money.


So the deck was stacked against her.

Here's the new developement:

Same Article wrote:
After 15 months in arbitration, Jones and her lawyer realized the same thing (about the deck being stacked against her given Halliburton's arbitration history) and went to court to fight the arbitration agreement in the hopes of bringing her case before a jury. Jones argued that the alleged gang rape was not related to her employment and thus, wasn't covered by the arbitration agreement. Finally, two years later, a federal court has sensibly agreed with her. Tuesday, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2 to 1 ruling, found her alleged injuries were not, in fact, in any way related to her employment and thus, not covered by the contract.

One of the judges who ruled in her favor, Rhesa Hawkins Barksdale, is a West Point grad, Vietnam vet, and one of the court's most conservative members, a sign, perhaps, of just how bad the facts are in this case. It's a big victory, but a bitter one that shows just how insidious mandatory arbitration is. It's taken Jones three years of litigation just to get to the point where she can finally sue the people who allegedly wronged her. It will be many more years before she has a shot at any real justice.


It pissed me off that not only has it taken this long to conclude that getting raped wasn't related to her employment & further pisses me off that 1 of 3 judges thought that it was.

Now, given the evidence, I ask again:

What do you feel is worse?

1- All: Halliburton/KBR (it's subsidiary at the time of these allegations) or Acorn?

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2- Conservatives: If you feel that these 5 Acorn workers are truly indicative of an atmosphere of defrauding the government within the Acorn organization, with no proof thus far that the higher ups in the organization approve of these methods, what do the facts in the case of Jaime Leigh Jones say about Halliburton/KBR?



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#2 Sep 18 2009 at 12:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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All: Halliburton/KBR (it's subsidiary at the time of these allegations) or Acorn?


Obviously the actions of the acorn members are more morally incorrect, because even the hypothetical, distant, imagined, and entirely fake trafficking of children is unquestionably worse than the very real and verified rape, torture, and censure of a woman. Why would you even try to compare the two? Can't you think of the children? Well, I guess you shouldn't think of them too much though, otherwise you might want to pimp them.

Okay, new axiom: instead of thinking of the children, we just stop thinking about women.
#3 Sep 18 2009 at 4:01 AM Rating: Excellent
I mean nothing against you personally OV when I say that the fact that you (and no doubt, many others) would consider this worthy of political contrast between Halliburton/KBR and Acorn (and each organization's supporters) shows just how low our country has stooped and how negatively entrenched in useless partisan politics the majority of people seem to be. This is a horrible case of abuse of power and denial of basic human rights, and I sincerely hope justice prevails for this woman. I would never suggest or support the notion that such a case might serve well as political currency where the whole ongoing Acorn debate is concerned.

Let the idiotic flames commence...
#4 Sep 18 2009 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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I mean nothing against you personally OV when I say that the fact that you (and no doubt, many others) would consider this worthy of political contrast between Halliburton/KBR and Acorn (and each organization's supporters) shows just how low our country has stooped and how negatively entrenched in useless partisan politics the majority of people seem to be. This is a horrible case of abuse of power and denial of basic human rights, and I sincerely hope justice prevails for this woman. I would never suggest or support the notion that such a case might serve well as political currency where the whole ongoing Acorn debate is concerned.

Let the idiotic flames commence...
I agree wholeheartedly, I just hope you're not surprised.
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I don't know how much value is in weighing which is "worse". Can we just agree that what Halliburton did on the employee levels and how it has treated this woman at the corporate levels, clear up into the highest ranks of management is seriously fucked up, immoral and worthy of any scorn we can give them?
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#6 Sep 18 2009 at 5:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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In before "**** was asking for it".

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So if a couple of college kids rape a college girl the entire University is responsible?
They are if the assist in covering it up.
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I'm curious so you would have us believe that Halliburton condones gang raping it's employees?

Halliburton apparently does not condone conducting investigations into the gang raping of its employees as evidenced by their insistence on going through an arbitration process more properly reserved for wage disputes than physical and sexual assault. Oh, and evidence tampering so a criminal investigation would be hampered.

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In Halliburtons case raping female employees doesn't appear to be systematic.

Unless you meant that Halliburton doesn't have a procedure in place for its gang rapists to follow for effective gang raping, the word is "systemic". And the response to her rape, beating and illegal incarceration is something that has been condoned, and in fact fought for, by the corporation as a whole.

But your knee-jerk love for Halliburton is noted.

Edited, Sep 18th 2009 9:41am by Jophiel
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Before I condemn Halliburton for placing this woman in a cargo container I would need to know what the regular living conditions were like.


This is classic stuff.
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Before I condemn Halliburton for placing this woman in a cargo container I would need to know what the regular living conditions were like.


This is classic stuff.


Oh, come now. I'm sure Halliburton imprisons its employees regularly.

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By the way, I posted on this back in Dec '07 (not much response... a few folks made jokes) based off this news story. It's shameful that it's taken her two years just to reach a point where she can sue Halliburton.
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#13 Sep 18 2009 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
I'm curious so you would have us believe that Halliburton condones gang raping it's employees?
You mean like how acorn condones child prostitution?
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#14 Sep 18 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'm curious so you would have us believe that Halliburton condones gang raping it's employees? Sounds extremely stupid when you say it out loud. Before I condemn Halliburton for placing this woman in a cargo container I would need to know what the regular living conditions were like.


She was living in co-ed dorms.

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In Halliburtons case raping female employees doesn't appear to be systematic.

Can you people see the difference?


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"I have no idea which rape victim you are," the doctor told Jones, "because so many young contractor girls were raped after drinking with the guys…. I performed so many rape kits in the six months that I was stationed there that there would be no way to recall whom yours was."


Seems to me it was, if the doctor can't remember this victim.

I feel justice would best be served if she sued for all of the money that Halliburton "lost".

Edited, Sep 18th 2009 11:52am by Omegavegeta
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Sep 18 2009 at 9:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Keep spinning it's what you people do best.
#16 Sep 18 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Keep spinning it's what you people do best.

Halliburton supposedly covering up a rape is not showing pimps and hookers how to successfully run a child prostitution ring.

But you all go right on hating corporations and defending pimps and @#%^philes.


Keep ******* that chicken...
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Let's take the Brownduck approach and just leave comparisons to Acorn out of it.

Do you feel what Halliburton did was justifiable? Defensible? On its own merits, not compared to some other organization.

Like any case, there's no double multiple versions of what occurred. But aspects such as her injuries (including ruptured implants), the existence (and tampering) of a rape kit, medical reports from Army medical examiners confirming rape injuries, the involvement of a Congressman, her extraction from KBR by the State Department and attempts by Halliburton to keep this out of the courts and settle it through employee arbitration aren't up for debate whether they occurred or not.

Do you have thoughts on that beyond talking about Acorn?

Edit: Oh, and I was wrong about the two years. The 2007 article says then that it's been two years and still no charges. So this is over four years that Halliburton has been fighting allowing this woman's case to come up in court. That's over four years of implicitly condoning the gang rape and kidnapping of its employees by its fight to stop her from going to court. Disgusting.


Edited, Sep 18th 2009 1:10pm by Jophiel
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Oh, and the Bush administration Dept. of Justice scuttled the criminal investigations into Halliburton over the case.
From Dec 17, 2007 wrote:
The Department of Justice refused to send a representative to answer questions from Congress today on the investigations into allegations of rape and sexual assault on female American contractors.
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Among the witnesses who testified today was Jamie Leigh Jones, who appeared on "20/20" last week.

Jones, now 23, says that after she'd been raped by multiple assailants in her room at a KBR camp in the Green Zone, she was warned by company officials that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she'd be out of a job.

To date there has been no prosecution of the men who Jones says gang-raped her.

Jones' congressman, Ted Poe, R-Texas, also testified at the hearing and told the committee how he has not been given any answers as to the status of the investigation by DOJ or the State Department.

"The Department of Justice has not informed Jamie or me of the status of a criminal investigation against her rapist if any investigation exists," Poe said today. "It is interesting to note that the Department of Justice has thousands of lawyers but not one from the barrage of lawyers is here to tell us what if anything they are doing. Their absence and silence speaks volumes about the hidden crimes in Iraq. Their attitude seems to be one of blissful indifference to American workers in Iraq," said Poe.
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But the Department of Justice Crime Victims office, in a letter to Jamie's lawyer, had already said it had closed out her complaint claiming it did not have jurisdiction.

The Department of Justice, following the hearing, said today that the department is "investigating this matter" but would not elaborate.
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shows just how low (y)our country has stooped and how negatively entrenched in useless partisan politics the majority of people seem to be.


Well said, Sir!
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Is it worse to cover up a crime you weren't complicent in? Or is it worse to advise people on how to get away with various criminal activity?


In case that wasn't a rhetorical question, the former is worse. Do you know why it's worse? Because it's an obstruction of justice where a crime has already taken place. Giving someone advise does not constitute a crime.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Do you think the coverage on these two has been the same. Are the media out there pointing out Obama's connections to Acorn?

So then... no, you're not capable of discussing Halliburton's deeds without trying to compare it to Acorn and change the subject.

Well, that's not surprising, I suppose.
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This is a horrible case of abuse of power and denial of basic human rights, and I sincerely hope justice prevails for this woman.


You didn't voice any concerns about human rights with Spitzer and his scandal.


And you didn't blow a balloon when the duck farted.
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What Halliburton did was wrong.

What should the reaction from the government be?
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